Enhancing iDempiere ERP User Interface for Improved User Experience

[azzam othman]

Dear Valued Community Members,

 I hope this message finds you well. First and foremost, I would like to express my deep appreciation for your continuous dedication to the iDempiere ERP project. Your hard work and commitment have been instrumental in providing us with a robust and versatile ERP solution.

However, several users within our organization have expressed concerns regarding the current user interface's responsiveness and interactivity. In particular, challenges have been noted in interacting with iDEmpiere, Tabs, & Sub Tabs, which have impacted their overall user experience and productivity.

To address these concerns, I would like to suggest exploring the integration of modern UI technologies, such as Bootstrap, to enhance the ERP's interface. Bootstrap's responsive design could significantly improve accessibility and usability across various devices, offering a more streamlined and engaging user experience. In addition I suggest the following :-

A. Use Bootstrap UI framework, Latest version
B. Use JavaScript to enable dynamic and interactive functionality. Manipulate the Document Object Model (DOM), handle user interactions, and update content in real-time, enhancing the overall user experience.
C. Use jQuery, a JavaScript library that simplifies HTML document traversal and manipulation, event handling, and animation, providing a concise and cross-browser-compatible way to interact with web pages.
D. Use/integrate Google fonts, Material icons or Font Awesome, which is fully open source and is GPL compatible.

We believe that implementing these changes could not only elevate the user experience but also contribute to higher user satisfaction and productivity. It would also position iDempiere ERP as a more attractive option for potential users looking for an advanced, user-friendly ERP solution.

Our team is eager to support this initiative and willing to collaborate in any way necessary, from providing feedback to participating in testing or development efforts.

Thank you for considering our suggestions. We look forward to your thoughts and are hopeful for the opportunity to contribute to iDempiere ERP's continued success and improvement.

Best regards,

Azzam Othman 
IT Manager

Beta Group of Companies 

azzam...@betait.net

00917557149876

[Ahmed Elemam]

Agreed

[Abdelouahab Djoudi]

Agreed

[Norbert Bede]

hi,

We are coding production-ready frontend quite complex e-commerce storefront projects angular nx, ngrx, states etc against iD Rest API (link bellow).  What you suggest is not a trivial task, Developing this UI feature and getting it into production, ready to replace it should take 2-3 years or more. We use Bootstrap, IMHO not good for business like UI. Instead my opinion, not enough components are implemented in iD. Also, need a thorough analysis and make a UX design in Figma or a similar tool. It should cost a lot of time and resources too.

We are designing each ui in Figma by professional UX, then writing our "Productivity Tools" - like responsible mobile apps in ionic, kanban, pos, and manufacturing console. For our customers looks this is a good approach.

FYI: iD has REST API support for most of the endpoints you need to write new UI here https://wiki.idempiere.org/en/REST_Web_Services 

Probably core developers will have a different opinion.

Norbert

[Heng Sin Low]

Rewriting the UI is a massive task, unless you are ready to make long term commitments for it, otherwise there's no point to discuss this.

Also, there's limited business value in re-writing iDempiere UI. In today's world, the common need is integration with popular platforms (Woo Commerce, Magento,

Amazon, etc) or building custom front end (mobile and/or web) for projects (What Norbert and Co. is doing ...).

Finally, the next frontier is AI, it would be far more interesting (and valuable) to investigate how to integrate the AI elements into iDempiere.

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[Carlos Antonio Ruiz Gomez]

Hello, during the iDempiere World Conference 2023 we talked about a possibility to improve the zk webui to make it more "sexy".

For example here:

https://youtu.be/zSRgcKUYqTU?t=2107

Pedro Rozo suggested that he had a project where they can sponsor some of the requirements to improve the zk UI.

However I don't know if that idea has advanced, I think Pedro was in talks with some developers.

Anyways, if there are volunteers or sponsorship I think the zk UI can be improved to support for example modern themes, that's not a complete rewrite, and it can have a good impact on UX.

Regards,

Carlos Ruiz

Am 26.02.24 um 01:51 schrieb Heng Sin Low:

[azzam othman]

Hi Carlos,

We are at Precision Industries, planning to sponsor the iDempiere new UI project. Any suggestions in this direction are welcome.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Thank you 

Azzam

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[azzam othman]

Hi Heng Sin,

We are adapted iDempiere ERP  in the last twelve years and we are continuing the same. We have a long-term commitment to use iDempiere. We are planning to sponsor this development for UI .

Your point for adapting AI in iDempiere is strongly appreciated. Other ERPs are already using AI or integrating it like OoDo. We will sponsor such project.

Have a nice day.

Azzam

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 4:00 PM Carlos Antonio Ruiz Gomez <car...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Carlos Antonio Ruiz Gomez]

I think the first step for such project would be to define some steps to achieve the long goal.

So, please correct me if I'm wrong but I would express it like this:

Goal: allow zk to use more modern themes

This is much inline with zk10, which deprecated the old themes and is now strongly promoting to use the ZK Theme Pack which contains 23 modern themes.

For example check the demo at: https://www.zkoss.org/zkthemepackdemo/

From what I understand, there are several stoppers on our code that are making too hard to implement properly themes:

1 - styles hardcoded in java

    is the solution for this move all hardcoded styles to css?

2 - decoupling visual logic from java

    not sure if that's the same, but I mean, we also have a lot of code declaring zk things that maybe can be done in another way

3 - use of specific layouts like BorderLayout

    this for example forbids to put the components in a different order, if a java class define that the status line goes South, then that cannot be changed easily

I'm not an expert on any of these matters, just bringing this topic trying to trigger a project that hopefully some expert can do with the proper sponsorship.

Now, I would think that a first big step can be to try to solve the number 1, that can be a first sub-project to attack.

Is that OK?  Somebody willing to provide a quotation for that?  Azzam says he would like to sponsor it.

Regards,

Carlos Ruiz

Am 27.02.24 um 16:15 schrieb azzam othman:

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[Y]

Metas accomplished this already for their adempiere fork.

They replicated application dictionary to work with react.

https://github.com/metasfresh/metasfresh

[azzam othman]

Thank you, Carlos for your detailed and valued feedback. Yes, we confirm that we will sponsor this task. If anyone can implement, please let us know.  I suggest having iDempiere 12 with a new UI .

Have a good day.

Thank you 

Azzam

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[azzam othman]

Thank you Younek for your reply and feedback. Do think this can be implemented with iDempiere?

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[Norbert Bede]

Hi Azzam.

The core team has recently adapt the latest supported theme from ZK (iceblue). I think that the design must be defined in figma and then adapted to the program mainly as HTML, CSS and in marginal cases on java, exp.

We are able to review and design with our professional UX designer team, you can write me privately norber...@gmail.com

Norbert