Giving up on a document.... Anybody want to take over for me?

[Warren Smith]

I have been translating a very tough document discussing a purported UFO sighting in Japan from 1803. I have spent several very tough days on the document (which I WAY underbid and which is due tomorrow). Thought I was nearly done, but now I see that there are two pages (about 1730 characters) that is a typed transcription of documents authored in the early 1800s.

 

As a patent guy, I don't read 19th century Japanese (even if it is typed out for me).

 

Is there anybody who is qualified to take this off my hands?

 

Thanks.

 

Warren

[Warren Smith]

Found a book by the author of my document, which gave his translations for some for some of the text, but I still have 740 characters left....

 

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[Warren Smith]

Well.... Not happy with the results, but the document is in. This was tough!

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[Warren Smith]

I do have a couple of questions though....

此品甚美敷模様有之石とも見え申候

 

Not sure about the ending of the sentence. Does the object with the beautiful pattern look like stone or not?

 

Thanks.

 

Warren Smith

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[Herman]

On 12/21/22 20:54, Warren Smith wrote:
> I do have a couple of questions though....
>
> 此品甚美敷模様有之石とも見え申候
>
> Not sure about the ending of the sentence. Does the object with the
> beautiful pattern look like stone or not?

It does. The negative form would be 不申候.

Herman Kahn

[Alan Siegrist]

The ending 申候 or 申し候 is read もうしそうろう and has the following meaning:

よく「申し候」「申候」の読み方がわからないという検索を見つけますが、「もうしそうろう」です。 意味はあまりなく、現在の「です」と思ってください。

https://sakamotoryouma.com/meigen/sentaku.html#:~:text=%E7%94%B3%E3%81%97%E5%80%99%20%E8%AA%AD%E3%81%BF%E6%96%B9%E3%83%BB%E6%84%8F%E5%91%B3,%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99%E3%80%8D%E3%81%A8%E6%80%9D%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6%E3%81%8F%E3%81%A0%E3%81%95%E3%81%84%E3%80%82

 

So I take the phrase to mean that it does look like stone.

 

Of course, this is all based on the first Google hit.

 

Regards,

 

Alan Siegrist

Monterey, CA, USA

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[Brendan Craine]

Warren,

Oh jeez, 候文. Haven't grappled with this kind of thing since grad school, but 申候 is roughly equivalent to modern ている, if I remember correctly.

No negation happening here, I would say.

(To be honest, though, I would probably want at least one other person to ratify that.)

Best,
Brendan

2022年12月22日(木) 13:54 Warren Smith <Warren...@comcast.net>:

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[Motohiro Kojima]

Warren Smith様

私もあまり詳しくありませんが。。。

この品、甚だしく美しき模様有るの石とも見え申しそうろう。
→この品物は、とても美しい模様がある石にように見えます。

何を見て、このように言っているのでしょうか？
似た文が下記サイトで見つかりました。
https://iwasebunko.jp/stock/collection/entry-289.html

On Wed, 21 Dec 2022 23:54:01 -0500
Warren Smith様 wrote:
|I do have a couple of questions though....
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|此品甚美敷模様有之石とも見え申候
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|Not sure about the ending of the sentence. Does the object with the
|beautiful pattern look like stone or not?
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|Thanks.
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|Warren Smith
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2022.12.22 14:20:33
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小島基弘 <mthr...@imoduru.net>

[Motohiro Kojima]

Motohiro Kojima様

すみません。若干訂正します。

On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 14:27:47 +0900
Motohiro Kojima様 wrote:
|→この品物は、とても美しい模様がある石にように見えます。
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　＊石のように

2022.12.22 14:29:08
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小島基弘 <mthr...@imoduru.net>

[Warren Smith]

Thank you all for your help on this.

 

I had said that I had found in a book (by the author of the document I am translating) a translation of some of the papers that are referenced in the appendix.

 

The author's translation (in the book) said that it *doesn't* look like stone, and I wanted to check with my colleagues before concluding he was wrong.

 

Thanks for the help!

 

Warren Smith

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