Re: [ms-stf '56778'] Science paper was tough and kannadamedium students fails to understand questions why every year only science paper difficult I don't understand plz give clarification

[Gurumurthy K]

Dear Subramani sir

thank you for your reply. It is exactly connected to what I was saying.

I agree that there are many pressures on teachers to take the 'short cut' of drill/pass package instead of the 'more difficult' path of conceptual understanding - the quantum of syllabus is too much, the education system/department does not encourage conceptual learning but puts pressure on exam results, teachers knowledge of pedagogies and concepts may also need to be improved but teacher training programs are not effective. and teacher educators themselves may not know better.

However, having said the above, I feel strongly that teachers must take the path of teaching their students conceptual understanding and abandon the drill/pass package method/route which only fails the children.... this is not just my opinion, this is the spirit of NCF 2005, so it is national policy as well.

Children are in school to learn, develop conceptual understanding which is necessary for application in real life.

In my opinion, learning is not equal to drill / pass packages. I am making a statement that will not be liked by some, but drill and pass packages only end up cheating the children.  Also drill methods make students dislike the subject. Whereas if students learn science through the right approaches (learning science by doing, exploring science curiously, building models to understand nature, developing a scientific temper etc ....). 'Good' Indian students are well known for their ability to parrot out content but with very poor ability to apply it in real life situations. what use is that bookish knowledge.

And I say this with the knowledge that there are many teachers in our Karnataka GHS, who are trying the path of conceptual learning and succeeding as well. Their experiences and learnings can guide us well. Let us give up the pass package approach... this I am saying not only for science but for all subjects. I request teachers like Shashi Kumar sir, Mohan sir, Radha Madam, Gulzar madam (and hundreds of other such teachers who are members of this group) who have been adopting different approaches to help students really develop conceptual understanding of science, to share their experiences and methods, which can help all teachers.

Once again, Subramani sir, thanks for frankly sharing your views, so that we can debate and discuss the issue fully and understand one another.

regards,

Guru

IT for Change, Bengaluru

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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Subramani V <subram...@gmail.com> wrote:

@gurumurthy sir.  Even I didn't see d paper.  M y students discussed questions wit me. I came to a conclusion that they are beyond d level a 10th grade students. No its our turn to think
1)hav v taught d concepts to that level.
2)is d time provided enough to us to teach Dat much deep about d concept.
3)can d rural below average students can think such deep into d concept.
4)we have given passpackages for drill. Was Dat came helpful to den.
5)below average students complained Dat no questions came from d pass packages wat v hav given for drill.

On Apr 8, 2016 4:58 PM, "chiranjeevi khethavath" <yuvachira...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear sir not only this year.  every year science question paper was not difficult to our teachers.compare to other  subject QP,sc QP is little bit difficult to rural  Kannada medium students, they took passmark but cont get more marks

On Apr 8, 2016 2:04 PM, "Gurumurthy K" <itfc.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

dear Sunil sir

in my opinion, it is not useful to have a vote on this issue - that will only tell us how many people agree/disagree (summative information)

what will be more useful for all teachers is if we can analyse why we feel it was difficult, i can suggest some points for the discussion

1. was the question paper having questions on topics not part of the syllabus

2. was the question forcing students to think and apply what they learnt ... and not focusing on producing information from rote memory

3. was the level of Kannada language difficult to understand.

i have not seen the science paper. But my doubt is as follows -

if the question paper is not encouraging students to write from rote memory but forcing them to think and apply what they have learnt in answering, I think it may be difficult but it is good. Here the question is as teachers, are we making students memorise content, or are we helping them understand concepts which they can apply as per the question in the exam. as per the national curricular framework 2005 science position paper, one of the problems in science teaching is that we teach facts to be memorised by students. whereas the facts (content) is to be used for helping conceptual understanding. for eg. while teaching periodic table, it can be simply taught as a table to be memorised. where student needs to memorise (by heart) the atomic number of 100+ elements and see how they can be placed in the table. or it can be learn by exploring 'how is matter around us structured? what is the concept of an element? are there a finite number of elements? what does an element signify - physically, chemically? how did scientists try to address these questions, what answers did they give? here science becomes a method to understand nature, build models. not as a set of boring facts ... the question papers also should gradually move from content / memory testing to testing conceptual understanding. (this applies to all subjects, not only science).

again, as I said, I have not seen the question paper, so this is only an opinion. I will be interested to hear your responses to my thoughts and also your own understanding of why the paper is being seen as difficult by many teachers. perhaps such a qualitative discussion (on the reasons etc) can help us understand how we can become better science teachers next year...

regards

Guru, IT for Change

IT for Change, Bengaluru

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On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 6:09 PM, sunilsringeri revanker <sunilkuma...@gmail.com> wrote:

LETS HV VOTE

On Apr 5, 2016 1:50 PM, "shashikumarcrkumar" <shashikum...@gmail.com> wrote:

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Really u r right. Scn ppr is tough

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