Trashed storage

[Jasper Nance]

I hope I'm not being divisive with this post, but I have some concerns. On slack Louis posted that he took seven wheelbarrows of stuff from the storage upstairs and put it in the trash. I have a huge problem with this method. First of all there was no public announcement that things from storage upstairs were going to be placed into the trash. Things have been incorrectly been placed upstairs that either go with stations member property. Some people might not even know that their things had been placed up there and they're still looking for them, or assume that they are correctly located at the station they belong to. A lot of that might be long term loans but parking tickets are not used or maintained because there is a giant do not enter sign to the storage upstairs. I have no problems cleaning house, I just think that it needs to be done and it open and responsible manner so that people don't get burned. This is how we lose members, by burning them and throwing their things away without any recourse for them to claim it.

Assuming it's all trash, which I know it's not, then I think we need to not be just throwing it into a dumpster. Let's be honest, we have a habit of distilling incredible value out of junk. That doesn't mean we should keep it in the space. I do not believe that we should hoard junk. I do believe that these items have incredible value for members in our community, and something like a free day or free weekend should be instituted with all sorts of public notification so that people can utilize the wonderful distillation of value that we have incidentally created at our space. After the free day, where people must leave the premises with the things they have claimed, it is entirely appropriate to either put things in the trash, or take them to Goodwill if they still retain residual value. I do not believe that we should take our hard work and just throw it directly into the dumpster.

[Luis Montes]

Thank you for posting this, Jasper.  I should have posted to the mailing list a few days ago when i posted to slack asking for help cleaning up.

So we're clear, I've been mostly throwing out old cardboard from boxes i've been consolidating, the old smelly furniture (large sofa, and busted drawers along the west wall), and replaced fixtures and materials that were still left from the previous tenant.  As well as massive amounts of wood scrap that collected around the laser and upstairs.  Also we likely have more than a thousand pounds of e-waste still upstairs that has been red tagged for a long time.

We also have several projects that were moved over from the attic of the old space without tags on them.  If they were important to however left them, they've had more than a year to do something with them.

I absolutely love seeing people here making cool stuff, but I think it is a huge disservice to the lab for people to just drop off stuff that they don't want to keep at their houses anymore.  If we have someone willing to work on a project, sweet!  If we have someone willing to champion meetups or training on a new station, sweet! 
We just seem to collect stuff that people think will make a cool project for someone else. 

On Thu, Aug 8, 2019 at 7:53 AM Jasper Nance <nebar...@gmail.com> wrote:

I hope I'm not being divisive with this post, but I have some concerns. On slack Louis posted that he took seven wheelbarrows of stuff from the storage upstairs and put it in the trash. I have a huge problem with this method. First of all there was no public announcement that things from storage upstairs were going to be placed into the trash. Things have been incorrectly been placed upstairs that either go with stations member property. Some people might not even know that their things had been placed up there and they're still looking for them, or assume that they are correctly located at the station they belong to. A lot of that might be long term loans but parking tickets are not used or maintained because there is a giant do not enter sign to the storage upstairs. I have no problems cleaning house, I just think that it needs to be done and it open and responsible manner so that people don't get burned. This is how we lose members, by burning them and throwing their things away without any recourse for them to claim it.

Assuming it's all trash, which I know it's not, then I think we need to not be just throwing it into a dumpster. Let's be honest, we have a habit of distilling incredible value out of junk. That doesn't mean we should keep it in the space. I do not believe that we should hoard junk. I do believe that these items have incredible value for members in our community, and something like a free day or free weekend should be instituted with all sorts of public notification so that people can utilize the wonderful distillation of value that we have incidentally created at our space. After the free day, where people must leave the premises with the things they have claimed, it is entirely appropriate to either put things in the trash, or take them to Goodwill if they still retain residual value. I do not believe that we should take our hard work and just throw it directly into the dumpster.

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[Jasper Nance]

Our sentiments match right up until the dumpster. It is here our views differ. This stuff should get its chance to be dispersed meaningfully. 

We should not blindly (or illegally with ewaste ) dumpster stuff.

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[Luis Montes]

No one is doing any recycling though.  The stuff just collects.
If someone wants to run an event to disperse the stuff, great!  I'm certainly not getting in the way of that.  In fact, I asked for help on slack last Friday, as well as mentioning the issue during most of the hack-your-hackerspaces over the last few months.

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[Jasper Nance]

It takes less effort to open the doors and make a post to come free for all stuff than it does to cart people's stuff to a dumpster...

Unless you were afraid people would stop you. I guess burning the place down would also solve a cluttered lab. 

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[Nathan Mountford]

I am of the same opinion as Jasper on this one.  There is a reason why people have tickets with contact information on their items.  There should not be a whimsical approach to disposing of other people’s property.  If there is going to be a massive purge day, that should be set up months in advance with notifications and plenty of time for people to get their items (sometimes very expensive items) or someone else can claim the item for keeps if no one else has stepped up.

We’re talking about other people’s property.

Nathan Mountford

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[Stephanie Conner]

"So we're clear, I've been mostly throwing out old cardboard from boxes i've been consolidating, the old smelly furniture (large sofa, and busted drawers along the west wall), and replaced fixtures and materials that were still left from the previous tenant.  As well as massive amounts of wood scrap that collected around the laser and upstairs.  Also we likely have more than a thousand pounds of e-waste still upstairs that has been red tagged for a long time."

Removal of these items seems to me like it has been warranted.  Luis didn't say he was taking EVERYTHING up there and trashing it (legally OR illegally). 

Luis has been working a LOT on lab improvements, a chore I am personally grateful for.  

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[Luis Montes]

Asking for help in slack isn't exactly being afraid of being stopped :)

I think running an event is a bunch more work.  And I say that as the person that personally took the stuff to the dumpster in the AZ summer heat.
I'd have to do the same thing I'm doing, but bring items downstairs (we can't support a bunch of people upstairs at once), set the stuff up for people to peruse and pick over, then clean it up afterwards.

Still, I haven't seen anyone step up to do any of that.

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[Jasper Nance]

I hope everyone knows how grateful I am for Luis's constant efforts to make our space clean and amazing. He is seriously great and a force of good in the lab. 

I just take issue with this because to me it is a Big Deal. 

Also a lot of people aren't on Slack. Slack doesn't have events either. If you miss that one sentence which said nothing about dumpsters you missed the whole thing. 

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