RE: [CDR] Re: Whales and carbon transport

[Bru Pearce]

A chart of the whaling grounds drawn in 1884 – Note the light shading is abandoned grounds i.e. those in memory at that time, it is likely that if records had gone back further that much more of the oceans would have been in the same light shading!

 

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From: carbondiox...@googlegroups.com <carbondiox...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Bhaskar M V
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Subject: [CDR] Re: Whales and carbon transport

 

Industrial Whaling and Fishing are the main reason why Photosynthesis / Primary Production in Oceans has decreased.

Decline in the Apex predators has reduced the recycling of the nutrients and micro-nutrients.

 

Decrease in Primary Production in Oceans is the main reason for accumulation of CO2 in the Atmosphere.

Restoring Primary Production in Oceans to historical peaks, and perhaps exceeding the peak to achieve the maximum possible,

is the best solution to consume the excess Carbon in Atmosphere and Oceans and convert it into Biomass in the Oceans. 

 

Regards

 

Bhaskar

 

 

On Monday, 10 March 2025 at 20:08:51 UTC+5:30 goreau wrote:

Fluxes would have been “at least three times higher” before industrial whaling.

 

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[Bhaskar M V]

Thanks Bru

This map is of 1884.

I wonder what was the pre-Industrial, 1750, stock and annual production of Whales, Krill and Diatoms and

what was the all-time peak stock and annual production, over the past few millennia. 

Why can't we restore the Oceans to this level of biomass production?

Regards

Bhaskar

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[Tim Foresman]

Dear Bhaskar, Bru, and whale lovers:

Thanks for the 1884 world map. It was a different world back then with a litany of species going extinct every year. 

Whales and marine mammals have held a strong role in the marine ecosystem's dynamics including the carbon cycle. And therefore, it is refreshing to learn that one of HPAC's friends is leading an effort to rejuvenate the Whale Pump natural processing of co2 with the inauguration of Positive Polar. 

Positive Polar is the only cruise line enterprise that I know of who is dedicating their science and exploration to promote the welfare of whales and educate the Earth denizens to the carbon cycling role they play.

Please take a look at www.positivepolar.com and share with your colleagues and friends. The leaders of this enterprise are pioneers for whale recovering and carbon capture and deserve your attention. 

Cheers to all, Tim

Dr. Tim Foresman

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Elkridge, Maryland 21075

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[Bhaskar M V]

Tim 

Thanks for sharing about Positive Polar.

We need many such initiatives to cover the whole ocean.

It will be good if you add restoration of Copepods, Krill, Fish and Whales to your objectives.

It is NOT possible to selectively restore the Ocean Biological Pump, without restoring Biomass in Oceans.

Nature is superior to us Humans.

We need to understand and obey the Laws of Nature,

Nature will NOT change its laws to suit our needs.

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[Tim Foresman]

Dear Bhaskar: 

I include a degree in ecology in my academic and field experience. Of course, we are discussing the marine food chain with emphasis on the charismatic mega fauna and my favorite marine mammals. Pick your favorite plankton species and we will be in violent agreement. Just as India has chosen to follow the Green Revolution use of fertilizers, we are innovating for the greater good of the marine ecosystems with benefit of improving the carbon cycle.

The goal is careful proof of concept and attention to engineering scales. We are not broad brushing the ocean, but planting seas for broad adoption. If we convinced the IMO to remove sulfur from fuel (and this heated up the oceans a bit) we should not be shy about convincing the IMO to extend Whale Pump technology to all ocean going vessels. Obviously, there is much to do.  Please stay tuned to guilt-free ocean tourism combined with science.

Please feel free to offering other methods. 

Cheers, Tim

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Subject: Re: [HPAC] Re: [CDR] Re: Whales and carbon transport

 

[Bhaskar M V]

Thank you Tim

We should target the Ocean Fisheries businesses, both Cage farming and open ocean fishing businesses.

They are removing fish but are not fertilizing the oceans to replace micro-nutrients harvested along with the fish.

Farmers use manure and fertilizer to replace the C, N and P, removed via the crop harvested.

Soil has silica and Micro-nutrients, so generally fertilizing soil with these is not necessary.

Paddy farmers use Zinc, since many Paddy farms in India become deficient in Zinc.

Cage fishing involves feeding the fish, 

the feed contains C, N & P, but does not contain Micro-nutrients / Trace Metals, Iron, Zinc, etc.

This is the reason why Cage fisheries are facing problems of 

algal blooms resulting in low DO, toxic algae, sedimentation of the feces of the fish, etc.

Ocean Fishers just catch and remove fish and do not compensate for the biomass removed.

The C, N and P removed is being indirectly restored via CO2 from Fuel and N and P in Sewage & Fertilizer runoff.

However, the micro-nutrients / Trace Meals removed are NOT being replaced.

This is why ALL Fishers need to dose Micro-nutrients, 

to ensure that Diatoms grow and consume the C, N and P and 

keep the water clean and enable sustainable production of fish.

Regards

Bhaskar

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[Bru Pearce]

I had not thought about this!

 

The stunning power of whale pee

 

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[Bhaskar M V]

Bru

That is the problem. 

Very few are thinking through all the issues involved. 

CO2, N & P input into Oceans, & lakes, has increased. 

Algae are blooming.

However, Dissolved Oxygen & Fish are declining. 

Why ?

When algae bloom fish should consume the algae, so there ought to be a fish bloom.

Is the carbon goes into fish biomass, 

the oxygen ought to remain in the water, & increase the DO.

Why is this not happening?

Because the algae that is blooming is NOT being consumed by fish.

So the core question is which algae is food for fish, & how to grow it.

Regards 

Bhaskar 

[Bru Pearce]

Hi Bhaskar 

 

Disrupted and unbalanced ecosystems. Fish in the main are feeding at the first level on zooplankton that are the primary grazers of phytoplankton and if there are not enough of them, because they are being poisoned by the pollution of microplastics and forever chemicals that are most concentrated at the surface, then there is another break in the system.

 

So I think we should be looking at which algae supports zooplankton, and what we can do to improve their environment.

 

Best,

[Bhaskar M V]

Bru

Diatom Algae are the best food for Zooplankton and Fish. 

That is why our product Nualgi was invented, 

to grow Diatoms in a simple manner. 

Dr Bostwick Ketchum of WHOI is quoted to have said "All Fish is Diatom". 

I think he said this in 1940s.

Unfortunately no one paid attention to this.

Diatom - Krill - Whale food chain is called the "Food chain of the Giants".

Regards 

Bhaskar 

[Tom Goreau]

Zooplankton mainly eat phytoplankton, but many filter feeding invertebrates such as oysters, consume diatoms directly, especially in coastal waters. Both food chains need to be stimulated to restore productivity and biogeochemical health.

[Bhaskar M V]

Dr Goreau 

Most Zooplankton feed on Diatoms.

Krill are the most prolific Zooplankton, 

they feed on Diatoms.

Artemia, copepods, rotifers, foraminfera, etc, feed mainly on Diatoms. 

Newly hatched fish feed on Diatoms.

Diatoms are like mother's milk to newly hatched fish.

Diatoms increase the survival rate of newly hatched fish.

Diatoms require, and consume, more micro-nutrients, 

So they are more nutritious than other algae.

Lakes, Rivers, Oceans, etc, will NOT be clean until everyone accepts that Diatoms are superior to other phytoplankton. 

Regards 

Bhaskar 

[Bhaskar M V]

Using PBRs will make the system expensive and inflexible.

The right solution is to grow Diatom Algae in the OPEN Ocean.

Regards

Bhaskar

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On Tue, Mar 18, 2025 at 12:15 AM Michael Hayes <electro...@gmail.com> wrote:

Membrane PBRs can use coastal treated sewage outfall streams to capture and utilize the nutrients for CDR work and agricultural:

An integrated algal membrane photobioreactor as a green-transition technology for the carbon capture and utilization

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2213343722002172

The challange is not in the biology or processing technology but in the need for rapid lowest cost infrastructure scale-up.

The hull technology would benefit from being largely self-replicating at the basic materials level, and thick walled high density polyethylene hulls that generate bio-ethylene via internal operations should fit the definition of a largely self-replicating infrastructure at the basic materials level. Biorock is also a largely self-replicating building material, and biorock production likely can be a benefit to microalgal production outputs and used as external armor for HDPE mPBRs. 

Building robust and long lasting, largely self-replicating, C negative mPBRs specifically for coastal outfall upgrades is likely achievable with current technologies, as would be using the sewage outfall feedstock to help feed the whales clean feed. We are already feeding them our crap, let's upgrade the menu mCDR style.

Below is an example of what large mPBR hulls would look like:

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[Bhaskar M V]

Michael 

The PBRs would be fixed structures, floating on the surface. 

They have to be located in places that don't conflict with boats and ships, recreational boats, fishing trawlers, commercial ships, etc.

PBRs may be damaged due to storms.

When PBRs are used people target growing particular species of algae, this requires prevention of contamination, this adds to the cost, downtime when contamination takes place, etc.

The PBRs have to be cleaned periodically. 

Volume of water in a PBR would be a fraction of the water in the open ocean.

Just look at photos of cage farms / mariculture & read about the cost and problems in maintaining them.

Regards 

Bhaskar 

On Tue, 18 Mar, 2025, 08:40 Michael Hayes, <electro...@gmail.com> wrote:

Bhaskar et al.,

Doing both is technically possible, yet reactors offer more environmental control and thus better crops growth and accounting and many more potential downstream coproducts.

Moreover, reactors likely provide maximum flexibility concerning crops that get grown. I don't understand how reactors would limit flexibility. Can you explain your view on that point?

[Hugo Hinrichsen]

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Kevin, thanks for initiating this debate, 

Tim, thank you very much for pointing at us, Positive Polar. (www.positivepolar.com) Having you on the team is a real blessing. 

Bru, thank you for sharing that map. It Is priceless for me. Tomorrow I'll share it with my family because we have a gathering and those years were more or less exactly when the exodus of the whaling families from the north of Germany and Denmark happened because of the lack of whales in the North Sea and they migrated to America and in our case to Chile. It's  very clear on the map the reason!  

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