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Robin Collins

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While it seems counterintuitive, is it true enough? Obviously at a certain point, the primary increase will again appear as GHG as the main driver overall. Cleaner air is an interim cause of the spike. 

Is this a sane way to market SRM and MCB though? 

Robin


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Termination Shock Now: Reducing air pollution is accelerating global warming

Greenhouse gases are no longer the main reason the planet is warming

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Two-thirds of global warming this century is the result of cleaning up air pollution. Do not adjust your sets, your screen is not malfunctioning. If Professor Peter Cox, of the University of Exeter, and his colleague Margaux Marchant are right, greenhouse gases are no longer the main driver of global warming.

The mechanism is well understood. Some portion of the energy that reaches the Earth from the sun bounces back out to space, the rest is absorbed. The balance between them is not fixed. Sulfur pollution in the atmosphere tends to make clouds brighter, meaning they bounce more solar energy back out to space.

The truth that dare not speak its name is that sulfur pollution counteracts global warming, so when you clean it up, the globe warms up faster. Let me be clear, SO₂ in the air sucks: it causes acid rain, it’s bad for your lungs, it messes with terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems in all kinds of ways. We have very good reasons to clean it up. But when we do clean it up, we diminish albedo. Less SO₂ means duller clouds, which means less solar energy bounces back out into space, which means more energy gets trapped in the atmosphere.

That this could happen isn’t at all news to climate researchers, but Cox and Marchant’s research shows this effect is possibly quite a lot bigger than we’d grasped.

To be clear, this isn’t some fringe theory from some internet rando: Professor Cox is one of the most senior climate researchers in the world. He’s a lead author on the 4th, 5th and 6th Assessment Reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a member of the UK Government’s Defra Scientific Advisory Council, as well as leading one of the world’s top centers for Climate Research.

One Percent Brighter is SO₂-aware.

Guys like Peter Cox don’t imperil reputations built painstakingly over decades on an explosive result like this unless they’re pretty darn sure. You can learn about his research in all its gory details in this podcast he did with Leon Simons.

This is big news. And yet, I bet you haven’t heard about it. The mainstream media hates to cover this kind of story. There’s a strong bias towards climate stories that are morally tidy. Stories where pollution is bad and kills the earth, and stopping pollution is good and saves the earth. There’s a panicked unwillingness to acknowledge the messy reality the story of SO₂ abatement brings, where we help mother earth by cleaning up a pollutant and it thanks us by kicking us in the groin.

The reality is, the atmosphere isn’t interested in your morality play. The laws of thermodynamics couldn’t care less if they line up with your NGO’s Vision statement. Sulfur dioxide in the air will keep both acidifying the rain and cooling the planet whether we like it or not.

If we were generally saner about climate change, we’d recognize this story for what it is: a loud, blaring siren telling us we’ve spent decades years actually doing geoengineering, without ever quite acknowledging it to ourselves. Now we’re stopping, and the result is what we always knew it would be: Termination Shock.

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Jul 29, 2025, 10:41:09 AM7/29/25
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Robin,

 

the sentence

 

«Greenhouse Gases are no longer the main reason the planet is warming”

 

is wrong. GHG are in fact the main reason the planet is warming. If you read carefully, you will see that the text says “this century”. So the author of the sentence will say, ok, last century GHG were but this century they ain’t. But that’s nonsense. GHG still are the main reason the planet is warming. Maybe the author will then say, right, but the additional warming which happened since year 2000 is mainly caused by SO2 reduction. But that additional warming is some 0.3 °C, whereas the overall warming is 1.5 °C, and out of the 0.3 °C that greater part would be maybe 0.18 °C.

 

All in all the article is fun to read, and also points to a true fact saying that SO2 is a cooling pollutant which is being reduced massively, but still: The sentence above is wrong.  

 

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Jul 29, 2025, 10:47:31 AM7/29/25
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Robin,

The simple answer to your question of whether focusing on the reduction in air pollution as a significant cause of increased temperatures is a good way to market SRM and MCB is who the hell knows? 

As I have been arguing for years the only way to answer these questions even provisionally is by doing what every other entity on the planet with the resources does - which is to invest resources into market research.

And as far as I know there has been absolutely no market research on the best way to promote SRM except for one effort that I have been told about privately. 

So we can continue to debate as we have been doing for years how to best promote the triad or SRM or whatever but if and until we or someone focuses on systematically talking to key constituencies in an organized matter we will continue to have no basis for concluding that any particular message is better than any other message. 

I continue to see no particular interest however in actually organizing to obtain and devote the resources needed to answer your question. 

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Gene Fry

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Jul 29, 2025, 12:25:40 PM7/29/25
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Oswald,

Greenhouse gases were and are the trigger for warming.
but albedo effects are now the main show.

GHGs formerly dominated, but that is no longer so.
However, GHGs still account for substantial ongoing warming:
about 2°C for doubled CO2.

Over the past 25 years,
albedo feedbacks accounted for 69% of observed warming.

The bulk of that recent albedo feedback was the decline in cloud cover over the oceans.

That exceeds the albedo decline (about 0.1°C effect over 2000-25) from fewer sulfate aerosols.
The sulfate decline was mostly over land.

Gene Fry
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Two-thirds of global warming this century is the result of cleaning up air pollution. Do not adjust your sets, your screen is not malfunctioning. If Professor Peter Cox, of the University of Exeter, and his colleague Margaux Marchant are right, greenhouse gases are no longer the main driver of global warming. 

The mechanism is well understood. Some portion of the energy that reaches the Earth from the sun bounces back out to space, the rest is absorbed. The balance between them is not fixed. Sulfur pollution in the atmosphere tends to make clouds brighter, meaning they bounce more solar energy back out to space.

The truth that dare not speak its name is that sulfur pollution counteracts global warming, so when you clean it up, the globe warms up faster. Let me be clear, SO₂ in the air sucks: it causes acid rain, it’s bad for your lungs, it messes with terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems in all kinds of ways. We have very good reasons to clean it up. But when we do clean it up, we diminish albedo. Less SO₂ means duller clouds, which means less solar energy bounces back out into space, which means more energy gets trapped in the atmosphere.

That this could happen isn’t at all news to climate researchers, but Cox and Marchant’s research shows this effect is possibly quite a lot bigger than we’d grasped. 

To be clear, this isn’t some fringe theory from some internet rando: Professor Cox is one of the most senior climate researchers in the world. He’s a lead author on the 4th, 5th and 6thAssessment Reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a member of the UK Government’s Defra Scientific Advisory Council, as well as leading one of the world’s top centers for Climate Research. 

One Percent Brighter is SO₂-aware.

Guys like Peter Cox don’t imperil reputations built painstakingly over decades on an explosive result like this unless they’re pretty darn sure. You can learn about his research in all its gory details in this podcast he did with Leon Simons. 

This is big news. And yet, I bet you haven’t heard about it. The mainstream media hates to cover this kind of story. There’s a strong bias towards climate stories that are morally tidy. Stories where pollution is bad and kills the earth, and stopping pollution is good and saves the earth. There’s a panicked unwillingness to acknowledge the messy reality the story of SO₂ abatement brings, where we help mother earth by cleaning up a pollutant and it thanks us by kicking us in the groin. 

The reality is, the atmosphere isn’t interested in your morality play. The laws of thermodynamics couldn’t care less if they line up with your NGO’s Vision statement. Sulfur dioxide in the air will keep both acidifying the rain and cooling the planet whether we like it or not.

If we were generally saner about climate change, we’d recognize this story for what it is: a loud, blaring siren telling us we’ve spent decades years actually doing geoengineering, without ever quite acknowledging it to ourselves. Now we’re stopping, and the result is what we always knew it would be: Termination Shock.

You’re a free subscriber to One Percent Brighter. Paid subscribers get extra karma.

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Hi Gene,

 

albedo feedbacks are in fact strong.

They are caused by GHG, that’s why they are called feedbacks.

The main driver of Global Warming are GHG.

 

Regards

 

Oswald

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Oswald,

 

               Greenhouse gases were and are the trigger for warming.

but albedo effects are now the main show.

 

               GHGs formerly dominated, but that is no longer so.

However, GHGs still account for substantial ongoing warming:

about 2°C for doubled CO2.

 

Over the past 25 years,

albedo feedbacks accounted for 69% of observed warming.

 

The bulk of that recent albedo feedback was the decline in cloud cover over the oceans.

 

That exceeds the albedo decline (about 0.1°C effect over 2000-25) from fewer sulfate aerosols.

The sulfate decline was mostly over land.

 

Gene Fry

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Where is Arctic sea ice snow albedo decline forcing?  in total radiative forcing

Please let me know 

Best regards
Peter C 


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Robin Collins

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Jul 29, 2025, 7:27:22 PM7/29/25
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Thanks Herb, Gene, Peter and Oswald for your comments. 

I think 1. I’d point out that in this case cleaner air means more planetary warming (harmful) and this is evidence for why SRM/MCB should work. 2. But while this unintended consequence of cleaning our air may impact rising temperatures (in a harmful way) GHG are still the driver of climate change. 3. Cleaner air in the absence of excess GHG (back decades ago) would have been a net gain. 

So I would use this article to clarify these points. 

Robin 

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  • Published: 19 July 2025

How to think about the clear-sky shortwave water vapor feedback

npj Climate and Atmospheric Science volume 8, Article number: 274 (2025) 

Abstract

Earth’s climate feedback quantifies the response of Earth’s energy budget to temperature changes and thus determines climate sensitivity. The climate feedback is largely controlled by water vapor which absorbs both longwave radiation emitted by Earth and shortwave radiation from the Sun. For the clear-sky shortwave water vapor feedback λSW, a gap remains between process understanding and estimates from comprehensive climate models. Therefore, we present a hierarchy of simple models for λSW. We show that λSW is proportional to the change with temperature in the square of atmospheric transmissivity that depends on the atmospheric concentration of water vapor and its ability to absorb shortwave radiation. The global mean λSW is well captured by a simple analytical model that approximates the strong spectral variations in water vapor absorption, whereas its temperature dependence results from spectral details in water vapor absorption. With this study, we expand the conceptual understanding of an important but understudied feedback component.

 

 

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Enhanced shortwave absorption by water vapor increases effective climate sensitivity via accelerated AMOC recovery

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Enhanced shortwave absorption by water vapor increases effective climate sensitivity via accelerated AMOC recovery

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Climate models exhibit substantial inter-model spread in climate sensitivity, typically attributed to uncertainty in cloud feedbacks. In contrast, the influence of clear-sky shortwave absorption (SWA) remains underexplored, despite its substantial uncertainty. Using a single-model framework, we systematically perturb SWA and impose CO₂ quadrupling on distinct mean states that differ in SWA, allowing assessment of its impact on both the mean climate and the CO₂-driven response. Enhanced SWA reduces surface shortwave radiation, leading to Arctic cooling. Under higher SWA, CO₂ forcing drives increased advection of colder Arctic air into the subpolar North Atlantic, enhancing turbulent heat loss and facilitating AMOC recovery. This accelerated recovery amplifies warming in the subpolar North Atlantic, strengthens lapse rate and shortwave cloud feedbacks, and ultimately increases climate sensitivity over time. These findings reveal a previously overlooked pathway by which clear-sky SWA modulates long-term climate feedback, underscoring the need to better constrain SWA in climate models.

 

 

Jan Umsonst

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Jul 30, 2025, 10:44:40 AM7/30/25
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Hi Peter, this one is a central study on this topic, they also mention the other studies:


Others have analyzed polar albedo trends and attributed multidecadal declines in net top-of-atmosphere (TOA) solar flux to reduced sea ice (Donohoe et al., 2020; Loeb et al., 2021; Riihelä et al., 2021; Zhang et al., 2019). For example, Riihelä et al. (2021) found that Arctic and Antarctic surface albedo anomalies during 2016–2018, relative to 1982–1991, contributed a global-mean net TOA solar flux anomaly of 0.26 W m−2.                  

The planetary cooling effects of Arctic and Antarctic sea ice during 2016–2023 were about 20% and 12% less, respectively, than they were during 1980–1988. Disappearing sea ice is therefore amplifying climate change by causing Earth to absorb roughly an additional 0.3 W m−2 of solar power for each degree Celsius of global warming, a feedback that is stronger than that simulated by most climate models.           

"Earth's Sea Ice Radiative Effect From 1980 to 2023"; https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2024GL109608   


This one is also noteworthy as it moderates the signal somewhat - global land surface mean albedo (GLMA):


From 2001 to 2020, GLMA increased by 0.6%, and the induced global radiative forcing was -0.0768±0.0253 W/m². During the recent two decades, albedo over snow-free regions significantly increased by 2.28% with radiative forcing of -0.1257±0.0025 W/m². This forcing was 2.5 times more than that induced by snow dynamics, and was equivalent in magnitude to 45.89% of that caused by CO2 emissions and 37.41% of that caused by the total greenhouse gas emissions from 2011 to 2019 estimated in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change Sixth Assessment Report.

Source: "Satellites reveal recent increases in global land surface albedo that moderates global warming"; https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-4426295/v1


Unfortunately this study had now numbers on the albedo effect of darkening oceans: "Darkening of the Global Ocean"; https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/gcb.70227


All the best

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Hi Gene, 


you are spot on as more and more evidence points to a substantial cloud feedback reinforced by SOx reduction - but the former will become way more important - currently some studies try to give the fault for the acceleration of warming SOx as it is the most convenient explanation but that's nonsense if you look at spatial patterns and time of emergence...


Here what Helge Gössling say's:


But what has caused the decline in low clouds? Fewer man-made aerosols in the atmosphere, in particular due to stricter requirements for marine diesel, may have contributed to this. As condensation nuclei, aerosols play a significant role in cloud formation; in addition, they also reflect sunlight themselves. Furthermore, natural fluctuations and ocean interactions could play a role.      

Helge Gößling, however, considers it unlikely that these factors alone can explain the phenomenon and brings a third mechanism into play: it is global warming itself that is causing the low clouds to disappear. “If the albedo decline is due to an intensifying feedback between global warming and clouds, as some climate models suggest, we have to expect quite a strong warming in the future,” he emphasizes.          

"The planet's lower reflectivity is causing a sharp increase in global warming"; https://www.helmholtz.de/en/newsroom/article/the-planets-lower-reflectivity-is-causing-a-sharp-increase-in-global-warming/


Here on the effect of the 2023 albedo drop - some ~0.2°C warming:

In 2023, the global mean temperature soared to almost 1.5 kelvin above the preindustrial level, surpassing the previous record by about 0.17 kelvin. Previous best-guess estimates of known drivers, including anthropogenic warming and the El Niño onset, fall short by about 0.2 kelvin in explaining the temperature rise. Using satellite and reanalysis data, we identified a record-low planetary albedo as the primary factor bridging this gap. The decline is apparently caused largely by a reduced low-cloud cover in the northern mid-latitudes and tropics, in continuation of a multiannual trend.           

"Recent global temperature surge intensified by record-low planetary albedo"; https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adq7280


This graph say's it all if you go through it region for region:


ALbedo


1: Southern Hemisphere: sea ice losses, causes also a warmer SO and a cloud feedback - also Southeastern Pacific and Atlantic

2: Indian Ocean - positive Indian Ocean dipole that couples stronger with El Ninos in a warmer climate and is projected to intensify - 2019 extreme and in 2023 again.

3: North Atlantic off northwest Africa - massive marine heatwave with low winds, high pressure, low clouds, stratification, shallow mixed layer depth - mostly internal feedbacks of an massive MHW causing low cloud cover

4: Amazon - massive drought caused supported by deforestation but mainly by SST patterns in the Pacific (La Nina) and in the Atlantic - North Atlantic warming known to trigger droughts in the Amazon

5: North America Canada - massive drought and wildfires with the smoke spreading across the Arctic - Black carbon can reduce cloud cover, or increase it depending on where the BC accumulates - below or over a cloud - so possible that the cloud feedback over the high latitudes had been also caused by BC emissions

6: Western North Pacific - massive marine heatwave we have in this area developing the last years which is caused by poleward head advection (Kuroshio current), collapsed mode water formation during winter (also in 2023? - wait here for a study), subsurface heat accumulating near the surface, a recent study also found a shallow mixed layer (heats faster up) and weak winds under high pressure (anyway low clouds) all favoring a cloud feedback over warmer water - these heatwaves develop during summer under high pressure so anyway not a large contribution by SOx reductions (especially if the reductions happened in 2020). 

7: Equatorial Pacific north and south of the equator - its the sea surface pattern effect of the tropics. When SSTs increase in the deep convection areas of the Indo Pacific warm pool the stability of the tropical troposphere increases preventing convection in the subtropics thereby increasing the amount of low clouds which causes the shortwave absorption to decline. But in 2023 we had a El Nino developing which warmed the central to eastern tropical Pacific where you have cold SSTs. The resulting convection over these areas reduced the stability of the tropical troposphere which then favored convection in the subtropics thereby reducing the amount of low clouds. So this cloud feedback had been the El Nino.

So all these strong shortwave signals in the single regions had been largely been a result of feedbacks or "natural variability".


This graph shows nicely the effect of the SST pattern effect which also operates across the extratropical regions - these exceptional large ups and downs in the EEI are caused by the pattern effect mostly ENSO cycles causing clouds to increase or decrease:


EEI


I go with Hansen - 2/3 cloud feedback and 1/3 SOx:


Clouds

"Large Cloud Feedback Confirms High Climate Sensitivity"; https://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2025/CloudFeedback.13May2025.pdf


This one is also highly important to understand the cloud feedback - declining soil moisture because of massive continental water storage losses - triggers a direct continental cloud feedback and a secondary cloud feedback via collapsing ecosystems and reduced biogenic volatile organic compounds (VOC's) - continental drying reaches now massive scales:


drying

"Unprecedented continental drying, shrinking freshwater availability, and increasing land contributions to sea level rise"; https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adx0298

 

The more you go into detail the worse it gets with the cloud feedback, that is only starting if one looks at the drivers like upper ocean stratification and mixed layer depth...


The stratification signal in 2023 went off charts:


Straitfication

"New Record Ocean Temperatures and Related Climate Indicators in 2023"; https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00376-024-3378-5

Wait here for a follow up study that this signal is further tracked and studied - MHW expansion drive a shift of upper ocean heat uptake to shallower depths speeding up upper ocean stratification...



All the best

Jan

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Hi Tom,

tropospheric water vapor went sharply upwards in 2023/24 (we had even before a model error by some 100% if I remember right here), and till today not a large decline happened - could be a regime shift, as after El Ninos it should decline sharply again but it didn't well into 2025...


H2O

https://climate.copernicus.eu/global-climate-highlights-2024


This table shows the latest values:


Water vapor

https://psl.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/data/timeseries/timeseries.pl?ntype=1&var=Precipitable%20Water&level=2000&lat1=90&lat2=-90&lon1=0&lon2=360&iseas=0&mon1=0&mon2=0&iarea=1&typeout=1&Submit=Create%20Timeseries


Graph (f) shows how it reacted in the past:


Water vapor

"Global total precipitable water variations and trends over the period 1958–2021"; https://hess.copernicus.org/articles/28/2123/2024/


One reason could be the intensification of ocean fronts - ocean surface heterogeneity index increased to record levels in 2023 - as they intensify latent heat loss to the atmosphere from the oceans. Or other reasons why water vapor goes not significantly decline again...

If water vapor levels remain at such extreme levels, it could be another regime shift - also after 2016 we did not have a strong La Nina, but it declined significantly again, but in the second half of 2024 till today it did not...



All the best

Jan

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Jul 30, 2025, 4:38:40 PM7/30/25
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Thanks, Jan!

 

Yes indeed, once again events outpace the most extreme model projections!

 

It’s a fundamental feature of the models, not just random error……

 

The various model temperature projections are reasonably consistent, but NOT rainfall projections, which are all over the place, and are not to be trusted because essential physics of the feedbacks is missing from the models……….

 

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Jul 31, 2025, 10:33:31 AM7/31/25
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Hi Peter,

Good question!  The forcing from cryosphere albedo feedback is deliberately missed out of the IPCC diagrams which give the radiative forcings from different sources.  They have a separate diagram for feedback forcing, which rarely gets discussed.  The result is that albedo forcing is assumed to be negligible or only a small part of the total.  A few years ago, Peter Wadhams and I estimated that albedo forcing from the retreat of snow and sea ice in the Arctic could have reached 1.0 W/m2, which is significant.  Our estimate was based on previous work by Mark Flanner and independently by Kristina Pistone.  Flanner gave 0,45 W/m2 loss between 1979 and 2008.  Deposits of soot ("black carbon") on snow and ice from wildfires over the last couple of years could have added to that forcing.  And there has been a record retreat of Antarctic sea ice as well.

BTW, Flanner estimated that albedo loss was equally divided between snow retreat and sea ice retreat.

The CERES satellites should have a record of albedo loss of the poles over a period of about twenty years in this century, but nobody seems to have analysed it, to my knowledge.  But I see that Jan has found a recent paper[1] on sea ice retreat (neglecting snow retreat) suggesting that the estimate from Peter Wadhams and me could be about right or even a bit low (if snow retreat has an equal effect to sea ice retreat).

These estimated values do not seem generally to have been considered as contributing to total radiative forcing, except for Hansen who has a much smaller amount for them. 

Cheers, John

[1] Duspayev, Flanner and Riihelä
Earth's Sea Ice Radiative Effect from 1980 to 2023

From the abstract: 
"Sea ice cools Earth by reducing its absorbed solar energy. We combine radiative transfer modeling with satellite-derived surface albedo, sea ice, and cloud distributions to quantify the top-of-atmosphere sea ice radiative effect (SIRE). Averaged over 1980–2023, Arctic and Antarctic SIREs range from −0.64 to −0.86 W m−2 and −0.85 to −0.98 W m−2, respectively"




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