It is apparent to me that this reporter did not think he needed to listen to the second half of the hearing
Nancy Anthracite
He is just repeating the same old saw we have been hearing from the VA management as it tries to implement Cerner. Freedom of the press has failed in this instance.
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his deadline but the story will be updated this AM!!
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George Timson
Nancy Anthracite
You need to understand the internals of VistA and Epic to properly program for
it as you well know, and that will be harder to teach AI and there will need
to be speed, which some other databases have not been able to provide.
Of course, I am not a MUMPS programmer, so you will have to take what I say
with the proper grain of salt. I just don't think George Timson can be
replaced by a bot when it comes to Fileman, etc.
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Joseph Dal Molin
...and don't forget Meditech...surprised that no one in the press or the politicos ever mention the fact that probably 60% of all major hospitals are using an M based EMR...
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Or the success that Jordan has had.
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Joseph Dal Molin
I would love to see a cost comparison of VA
and Jordan's implementation....it would of course be apples and
oranges to some degree...but there are some interesting
fundamental differences...e.g. number of instances, running
YottaDB.
Jordan stats from the last VistA Community Meeting presentation:
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Wolfgang Giere
Please help me to understand "the success that Jordan has had". I am not familiar with Jordan and his succes, cannot follow the discussion, Sorry!
Wolfgang
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Wolfgang Giere
AI values the amount of data input to a topic not the prejudices of so called IT-professionels and teaching gurus. In the real world M's role is quite remarkable. And that is why the input to AI and the basis of ChatGPT is better than expected.
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...and don't forget Meditech...surprised that no one in the press or the politicos ever mention the fact that probably 60% of all major hospitals are using an M based EMR...
As long as VistA and Epic survive, I believe there will be MUMPS programmers. You need to understand the internals of VistA and Epic to properly program for it as you well know, and that will be harder to teach AI and there will need to be speed, which some other databases have not been able to provide. Of course, I am not a MUMPS programmer, so you will have to take what I say with the proper grain of salt. I just don't think George Timson can be replaced by a bot when it comes to Fileman, etc.
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The country of Jordan, as referenced in Joseph’s email.
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Wolfgang Giere
Thanks, excuse my misunderstanding.
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The Jordan that they speak of is the Country of Jordan who is
doing their entire National Health system based on VistA. There are
also, banks and transit systems that still use MUMPS. We are finding
more use for MUMPS in AI applications. I have a Sudoku Solver
written in MUMPS, the Knight's Tour Problem as a screen saver that has
over a billion solutions thus far and it saves every 100th solution.
So many of the current whiz-bang apps seem to be rehashes of older
more elegant solutions, many taken from MUMPS and hidden under
wrappers. The real power of a solution is in how well it works with
other applications and how well it can be supported and expanded at
the point of care or transaction. trying to get a vendor to make the
one-size-fits-all to make it work better for your staff is the ability
for the local support programmer to make changes in the field in a
timely fashion, a day or two and not the 18 to 24 months and massive
cost that vendors want for such actions. The acceptability to
different OSs and computer architectures is just a huge plus for MUMPS.
Your friend; Chris Richrdson
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Nancy Anthracite
the meeting. This is truly discouraging. We can hope the representatives at
the meeting all got the point and will run with it as the press sure isn't.
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On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 10:44:47 AM EST Nancy Anthracite wrote:
> I wrote to the reporter. He said the second part of the meeting went beyond
> his deadline but the story will be updated this AM!!
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Wolfgang Giere
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Steven McPhelan
Greg Kreis
I have played some with GPT4 (plan to do more after my next
class) and I have seen a big improvements in reasoning and wording
(haven't done much in the way of code generation with it). It was
very helpful in negotiating contract wording and suggesting
alternate wording.
The thing that
really shows promise is plug-ins. You can teach GPT4 how to
call out to APIs for real time information (not just the dataset
trained to 2021). It can suggest a local restaurant, plan a meal,
calculate the calories and place an order for the ingredients via
Instacart.
So imagine creating plugins for it to access FM databases to write reports. To find relationships or anomalies in the data. To write application modules/patches, create KIDS releases, install them in an account and test them! How about evaluate a patch or version release to see if it conforms to the SACC and other release rules (such as logic errors, test inputs and confirm outputs).
Plugins could be the big change that makes it relevant to many
different communities of users. (It could also be a way for it to
do bad things...)
So to answer your question George. It won't take an army of MUMPS
programmers. The existing coders just need to get comfortable with
an eager AI assistant and pass the torch to enough others (human
and machine) to keep it alive.
Sure, I am thinking pretty far ahead, BUT we can see a way now.
Who knows what will be created?
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