Ideas and Photos for American Meteorological Society Presentation?

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Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell Ph.D.

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Jan 3, 2020, 1:35:26 PM1/3/20
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Hi guys,

 

I’m going to be giving a presentation at the AMS meeting in a couple of weeks and talking about Space Weather Operational Resources and Needs of the Amateur Radio Community. (https://ams.confex.com/ams/2020Annual/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/370904).

 

I have 2 requests:

  • Do any of you have good photos of your station, building electronics, or that would otherwise show the amateur radio community in a positive light to the professional research community?
  • Are there any specific operation needs the that the amateur radio community has from the space weather community?

 

Thank you!

 

73 de Nathaniel W2NAF

 

 

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Ward Silver

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Jan 3, 2020, 1:56:03 PM1/3/20
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For advanced station capability photos and descriptions, I suggest you check with K5CM and the Time Nuts group - some of them have atomic clocks in their basements!

What I'd like to know more about space weather research is:
- what parameters beyond those we've considered would be useful and within the ability of amateurs to measure
- requirements for amateur-based measurements, realizing these might be looser than professional-quality but there would be more data
- can we get better real-time assessments of various point-to-point modes, such as path-specific F2 MUF, sporadic-E, chordal or ducted propagation

I have an ulterior motive on the path-specific F2 MUF.  If there was a global model accepted as standard (even with known flaws) and that could be queried in real time, it would be possible to have a degree-of-difficulty assigned to a particular QSO between stations - sort of like distance-based scoring but with a "technical merit" bonus.  (I can just see a team of lab-coated researchers holding up their scoring cards...)

73, Ward N0AX

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John Ackermann N8UR

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Jan 3, 2020, 2:12:51 PM1/3/20
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Would you like a photo or two of the multi-TICC (8 channel timestamping
counter with 60ps resolution) development and test? It's suitably
mad-scientist-ish.

John
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On 1/3/20 1:55 PM, Ward Silver wrote:
> For advanced station capability photos and descriptions, I suggest you
> check with K5CM and the Time Nuts group - some of them have atomic
> clocks in their basements!
>
> What I'd like to know more about space weather research is:
> - what parameters beyond those we've considered would be useful and
> within the ability of amateurs to measure
> - requirements for amateur-based measurements, realizing these might be
> looser than professional-quality but there would be more data
> - can we get better real-time assessments of various point-to-point
> modes, such as path-specific F2 MUF, sporadic-E, chordal or ducted
> propagation
>
> I have an ulterior motive on the path-specific F2 MUF.  If there was a
> global model accepted as standard (even with known flaws) and that could
> be queried in real time, it would be possible to have a
> degree-of-difficulty assigned to a particular QSO between stations -
> sort of like distance-based scoring but with a "technical merit" bonus. 
> (I can just see a team of lab-coated researchers holding up their
> scoring cards...)
>
> 73, Ward N0AX
>
> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 12:35 PM Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell Ph.D.
> <nathaniel...@scranton.edu
> <mailto:nathaniel...@scranton.edu>> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,____
>
> __ __
>
> I’m going to be giving a presentation at the AMS meeting in a couple
> of weeks and talking about Space Weather Operational Resources and
> Needs of the Amateur Radio Community.
> (https://ams.confex.com/ams/2020Annual/meetingapp.cgi/Paper/370904).____
>
> __ __
>
> I have 2 requests:____
>
> * Do any of you have good photos of your station, building
> electronics, or that would otherwise show the amateur radio
> community in a positive light to the professional research
> community?____
> * Are there any specific operation needs the that the amateur
> radio community has from the space weather community?____
>
> __ __
>
> Thank you!____
>
> __ __
>
> 73 de Nathaniel W2NAF____
>
> __ __
>
> __ __
>
> -- ____
>
> Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell, Ph.D., W2NAF____
>
> HamSCI Lead
> Assistant Professor____
>
> Department of Physics and Electrical Engineering____
>
> University of Scranton____
>
> (973) 787-4506____
>
> __ __
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Phil Erickson

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Jan 3, 2020, 2:51:10 PM1/3/20
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Hi Ward,

  Just a cultural warning that we have to be a bit careful here:

I have an ulterior motive on the path-specific F2 MUF.  If there was a global model accepted as standard (even with known flaws) and that could be queried in real time, it would be possible to have a degree-of-difficulty assigned to a particular QSO between stations - sort of like distance-based scoring but with a "technical merit" bonus.  (I can just see a team of lab-coated researchers holding up their scoring cards...)


  Most would say "well, there is this thing called the International Reference Ionosphere (IRI); that can tell you everything you need to know about the ionosphere and you can calculate the F2 MUF, etc.".  Those on this list, e.g. Carl, know that reality is very different at times from a monthly mean type of climatology that forms the basis of IRI.  The global amateur radio data can get a unique and better view - but one doesn't want to touch off a "right vs. wrong" type discussion.  I've seen it happen before.  

  What we could do instead is to say "IRI is fine.. for long term averages, as far as it goes - but we now have a new, empirically determined, way to capture some of the more short term space weather variability.  It complements IRI, not replaces it."  Just something to remember.

73
Phil W1PJE
 



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Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell Ph.D.

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Jan 3, 2020, 3:28:36 PM1/3/20
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Thanks, Ward, Phil, and John,

 

Let me think on that for a bit and see how it can fit in.

 

Talk to you soon and 73,

Nathaniel W2NAF

Gerry Creager - NOAA Affiliate

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Jan 3, 2020, 3:55:33 PM1/3/20
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Nathaniel

Which session are you in? I'll try to be there unless we have a 6HPC conflict, or I'm stuck in a meeting.

One long-term goal for me is to add a modified radar equation for WRF-model (WRF, for the sane folks among us is a common weather model) into WRF and produce refractivity in the troposphere at various frequencies of interest to the community: weather radar spectral regions (X-, C- and S-band)around the rather well-agreed center frequencies; GNSS center frequencies; cellular frequency bands; and of course, amateur bands from 6m through 24GHz. While the basic equation could be post-processed, and I've done that, plugging the operation into the model adds little computational expense and could provide direct output for those specific bands.

As far as what I'd like to exploit from Space Weather, a better real-time HF propagation picture for long-path AND NVIS. I'll show you some of what I'm able to get now when I see you in Boston, but Air Force Weather has some interesting plots.

73
Gerry N5JXS



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Dr. Nathaniel A. Frissell Ph.D.

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Jan 3, 2020, 4:20:34 PM1/3/20
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Hi Gerry,

 

I’m in Session 6: R2O2R: User Needs and Priorities. Part I (https://ams.confex.com/ams/2020Annual/meetingapp.cgi/Session/52703). It’s on Tuesday from 10-Noon.

 

Thanks for your comments, too. That sounds good about WRF and the radar equation.

 

Hope to see you there,

Nathaniel

enge...@bellsouth.net

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Jan 3, 2020, 4:49:48 PM1/3/20
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Nathaniel – I have a couple of station photos taken today; will try to attach, but they are large…

 

-73- Bill AB4EJ

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David Kazdan

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Jan 3, 2020, 5:33:13 PM1/3/20
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Kristina, do you think you could do a filtered 3-D graph of our 5 MHz WWV data since the solstice?

John, a good photo of your prototype board?

         David
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Gerry Creager - NOAA Affiliate

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Jan 3, 2020, 6:37:17 PM1/3/20
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It's on my schedule!

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