Re: VE7DXW’s “RF Seismograph” May Be Real Seismograph

[Thomas Yarish]

Hi Gwyn,

Many thanks.

Your excellent analysis is tangential to the issue posed by the video I posted a few days ago that posed the possibility that solar storms might induce seismic events due to the convergence of unique phenomena.

The common thread through the disparate hypotheses might be the expected "piezo" effects in and about the faults. The energy released in a rupture might indeed create some form of propagated noise. Or, as recently suggested, intense fields from a solar event might indeed induce movement in the conductive fault zones.

In both cases we have casual observations of complex events without an adequate model for the entire range of the observed phenomena.

This brings to mind cancer epidemiology, where at one time "cancer" was used as a catch all term for a wide range of complex diseases with poorly understood etiologies.

Currently medical science sees a cancer as a highly differentiated complex disease that requires highly individualized therapies for each patient.

By analogy I think we are at an early stage in the science of complex geophysical phenomena.

I am both fascinated and thankful for the opportunity to witness this evolving science.

We won't need grants to stage the next event, but the means to recognize, capture and analyze the  data might still be in the future.

Thanks for the discussion.

Tom

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On Jun 6, 2026, at 11:51 PM, Gwyn Griffiths <gw...@autonomousanalytics.com> wrote:



Hi Tom, Frank and others

I made an analysis of noise levels at KPH and the Northern Utah SDR site following claims later in 2019 that the late Alex Schwartz had detected the July 2019 Ridgecrest earthquakes with his RF Seismograph. I found no trace of noise events connected with the earthquakes in the 3.5 MHz noise levels. He and I had follow-on email and Zoom discussions, after which we agreed to differ.

I've attached a pdf of the data and how I went about the analysis. As you see from the header, this stayed as V1.0 and has never been published.

regards

Gwyn G3ZIL

On Sat, 6 Jun 2026 at 23:00, Thomas Yarish <yari...@gmail.com> wrote:

Some of you may remember Alex Schwartz RF Seismograph studies.

I think he is SK.

U of Arizona apparently has his data according to this ARRL report.
Active project?

Claims 75% correlation of noise spikes with certain class of quakes.

I'm not sure how the events corollated with solar events and magnetic phenomena.

Question for me would be how can these events affect the high-resolution Doppler data at various paths and polarizations. Time of year or seasonal effects due to angle of incidence and atmospheric conditions?

Tom
KJ6MKI

https://www.arrl.org/news/ve7dxw-s-rf-seismograph-may-be-real-seismograph

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[David Eckhardt]

I've previously posted this, but here goes again.  

When we lived in the mountains, foothills, in the east slope of the Rockie Front Range, our "soil" base was a course-grained pegmatite with lots of quartz and feldspars (Na-rich).  When I walked the property with the tweak/whistler receiver, every time I stepped hard on an exposed large boulder of pegmatite, I would receive loud and repeated "static" in the receiver headphones.  This lasted so long as the pressure was dynamic and ceased when the pressure ceased to a static level.  Piezoelectric emissions from the silicates most likely the spars?  I concluded a yes as I repeated the experiments many times over a number of seasons.  

Based on those experiences, I can only conclude that fault slippage and/or fracture (any dynamic) would emit RF energy, although possibly in the ELF/VLF range.

Dave - WØLEV    

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[Dana Whitlow]

After spending my first couple or three years in Puerto Rico and

having experienced a small handful of 'quakes, I thought of my

own brand of "RF seismometer".  I had previously lived near

Portland Oregon for some 23 years, experiencing only a

couple of 'quakes.  But in my eventual 10 years near Arecibo

I was experiencing about 1 'quake per year.  In about 2014

I experienced a 'quake while working up on the suspended

feed platform at the observatory- an "interesting" experience

to say the least. 

I remember being surprised that Puerto Rico had more 'quakes

than did Beaverton OR (located sort of along the "ring of fire").

Anyway, my idea was to build a phase logging receiver tuned

to the pilot tone of an ATSC 1.0 TV signal.  There it rested

until several years after I had retired and moved to my

present QTH in Kerrville, TX.  With some effort including

the purchase of a used Rb standard I got my noise level

down to a couple of mm, and started seriously looking

for local area seismic events.  Given Kerrville's location

not far from San Antonio and its big airport, one source

of "interference" was Doppler-shifted reflections from

airliners in flight.  But on a few lucky occasions I did manage

to see what I believe to be episodes of source tower sway

in the wind.  Perhaps someday I'll end up living in a frequent-

'quake zone and do some more with this idea.

Dana Whitlow

On Sat, Jun 6, 2026 at 5:47 PM Thomas Yarish <yari...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Frank,

Thanks.

I lost connection with Alex years ago and I didn't see his "scholarship" but his posts did generate some skepticism.

Still it was a courageous adventure into a difficult science. Something to learn from.

Tom

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On Jun 6, 2026, at 3:38 PM, Frank M. Howell <frankm...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi Tom,

A clarifying question, after reading the ARRL article…is this statement the basis of your “75% correlation”?

Schwarz said that in 72% of the earthquake studies, the RF Seismograph was able to detect an increase in noise on 80 meters, typically before and after the event.

If so, that’s not a correlation but just a percent. Bear in mind, too, that only a correlation squared has a percent (proportional reduction in error) interpretation.

I haven’t read his original paper so I do not know how his “meta-analysis” of equate studies were designed so I don’t know if the other 29% did not observe the pattern.

I’m sorry he is now a SK. Thanks for the post.

73,

Frank

K4FMH

On Jun 6, 2026, at 5:00 PM, Thomas Yarish <yari...@gmail.com> wrote:

Some of you may remember Alex Schwartz RF Seismograph studies.

I think he is SK.

U of Arizona apparently has his data according to this ARRL report.
Active project?

Claims 75% correlation of noise spikes with certain class of quakes.

I'm not sure how the events corollated with solar events and magnetic phenomena.

Question for me would be how can these events affect the high-resolution Doppler data at various paths and polarizations. Time of year or seasonal effects due to angle of incidence and atmospheric conditions?

Tom
KJ6MKI

https://www.arrl.org/news/ve7dxw-s-rf-seismograph-may-be-real-seismograph

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[Jon Abel]

Let me guess, testing was done in an area of quakes due to hydraulic fracturing?

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[Jon Abel]

You might want to take a look at the correlation between quakes caused by hydraulic fracturing, and how that might be causing radio interference.

Secrets are lies.   So are proprietary technologies. 

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[Thomas Yarish]

7.8 in Philippines few minutes ago.

Tom

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[Steven Davidson]

And AP reported this news at 0455 UTC. A nearly 4 hour lag.

73 de K3FZT / Steve

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