Re: [go-nuts] Re: political fundraising on golang.org!
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Sam Whited
Jun 19, 2020, 12:04:46 AM6/19/20
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, at 22:00, 人间不值得 wrote:
> I thought, Everyone live matters. not just only Black. (White,
> yellow..) Did their lives matter?
Of course they do. You seem, deliberately or not, to be missing the
obvious but implicit ", also". No one goes up to someone at a breast
cancer awareness march and says "what's wrong with you, don't you know
that colon cancer is important too?" so ask yourself why you and so many
others insist on doing this to the black lives matter movement.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, at 23:59, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> Please respect my request to let this thread drop.
This is an important discussion to have, I don't think it's fair or
appropriate to ask people to just drop it.
—Sam
> I thought, Everyone live matters. not just only Black. (White,
> yellow..) Did their lives matter?
Of course they do. You seem, deliberately or not, to be missing the
obvious but implicit ", also". No one goes up to someone at a breast
cancer awareness march and says "what's wrong with you, don't you know
that colon cancer is important too?" so ask yourself why you and so many
others insist on doing this to the black lives matter movement.
On Thu, Jun 18, 2020, at 23:59, Ian Lance Taylor wrote:
> Please respect my request to let this thread drop.
This is an important discussion to have, I don't think it's fair or
appropriate to ask people to just drop it.
—Sam
Robert Engels
Jun 19, 2020, 12:16:33 AM6/19/20
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Know your audience, and read the room.
The message and how the message is delivered are distinct.
Not executing on the latter obscures the former.
Clearly this is a common problem for many on this subject.
> On Jun 18, 2020, at 11:04 PM, Sam Whited <s...@samwhited.com> wrote:
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The message and how the message is delivered are distinct.
Not executing on the latter obscures the former.
Clearly this is a common problem for many on this subject.
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Ian Lance Taylor
Jun 19, 2020, 12:20:46 AM6/19/20
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It can continue off-list.
Thanks.
Ian
Sam Whited
Jun 19, 2020, 12:22:37 AM6/19/20
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I should rephrase that, "it's an important discussion *for this
community*" and I think it's as important to expose this community to it
as it is any other.
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community*" and I think it's as important to expose this community to it
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Marvin Renich
Jun 19, 2020, 11:17:44 AM6/19/20
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* Ian Lance Taylor <ia...@golang.org> [200619 00:20]:
highly controversial (this thread is clear evidence of that). You then
squelch discussion of the banner itself and the topic of the banner by
other members of the community, while leaving the banner in place.
I claim that the presence of the banner is in clear violation of the
posted Go Community Code of Conduct, and repeat my request for the
removal of the banner. To quote from the Code of Conduct page:
Be friendly and welcoming
Avoid destructive behavior:
Discussing potentially offensive or sensitive issues; this all too
often leads to unnecessary conflict.
And from the Pledge:
...we as contributors and maintainers pledge to making participation
in our project and our community a harassment-free experience for
everyone, regardless of...[long list of attributes snipped].
The banner is welcoming to some, but clearly unwelcoming to others.
Enough members of this community have expressed that they disagree that
the banner is appropriate in this venue and are offended by its
presence. The banner has caused, and is still causing, harm to the
community by dividing the community over a topic that is orthogonal to
why this community exists.
I strongly agree that this is an important discussion and also that
having it on golang-nuts is not working. However, as long as the banner
is posted within the Go community, it is unreasonable to expect the
discussion to not happen within public community spaces.
...Marvin
> It's an important discussion, but having it on golang-nuts is not working.
>
> It can continue off-list.
You post a banner within the Go community that is off topic and is
>
> It can continue off-list.
highly controversial (this thread is clear evidence of that). You then
squelch discussion of the banner itself and the topic of the banner by
other members of the community, while leaving the banner in place.
I claim that the presence of the banner is in clear violation of the
posted Go Community Code of Conduct, and repeat my request for the
removal of the banner. To quote from the Code of Conduct page:
Be friendly and welcoming
Avoid destructive behavior:
Discussing potentially offensive or sensitive issues; this all too
often leads to unnecessary conflict.
And from the Pledge:
...we as contributors and maintainers pledge to making participation
in our project and our community a harassment-free experience for
everyone, regardless of...[long list of attributes snipped].
The banner is welcoming to some, but clearly unwelcoming to others.
Enough members of this community have expressed that they disagree that
the banner is appropriate in this venue and are offended by its
presence. The banner has caused, and is still causing, harm to the
community by dividing the community over a topic that is orthogonal to
why this community exists.
I strongly agree that this is an important discussion and also that
having it on golang-nuts is not working. However, as long as the banner
is posted within the Go community, it is unreasonable to expect the
discussion to not happen within public community spaces.
...Marvin
Marvin Renich
Jun 19, 2020, 11:23:53 AM6/19/20
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* Marvin Renich <mr...@renich.org> [200619 11:17]:
Just to be clear, the "you" in this paragraph is not you, Ian,
personally. I am referring collectively to the maintainers of the web
sites and mailing lists in their official capacities.
...Marvin
> You post a banner within the Go community that is off topic and is
^
Just to be clear, the "you" in this paragraph is not you, Ian,
personally. I am referring collectively to the maintainers of the web
sites and mailing lists in their official capacities.
...Marvin
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