Goa's Past... Beyond Politics and Propaganda (Jason Pinto SDB)

[Frederick Noronha]

Goa’s Past Beyond Politics and Propaganda

..... exploring Goa's complex history from different aspects
There is an increasing tendency to paint history with a single brush, especially as elections approach. This is much evident in the recent incidents in Goa and elsewhere. It raises questions about the happenings in Medieval Goa, during the Portuguese rule (1510–1961). But can such a vast subject be explained simplistically? Certainly not. Such arguments often assume that pan-India once followed one religion, and other religions came only with invaders or colonisers. Indian history has always been more diverse and interconnected than what modern political slogans suggest. Read full article here:

https://jasonpintosdb.substack.com/p/goas-past-beyond-politics-and-propaganda

 

[John de Figueiredo]

This author states that Goa Velha (Govapuri) was the capital of Yusuf Adil Shah. This is not correct. The capital of Yusuf Adil Shah was Velha Goa, not Goa Velha (Govapuri).

John M. de Figueiredo 

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[MD]

Goa Kadamba Chakravarti Jayakesi I (ruled A.D.1050-1080) was the younger son of Shastha Deva II. He was one of the prominent kings of the Goa Kadambas. He made Govapuri (modern Goa Velha), his capital in A.D.1052. It is situated on the north bank of River Zuari in Tiswadi taluka of Goa.  

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[John de Figueiredo]

That is all well-known. My point is that Goa Velha (Govapuri) was not the capital of Yusuf Adil Shah as Fr. Jason Pinto states. The capital of Yusuf Adil Shah was Velha Goa.

John M. de Figueiredo 

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[William Robert Da Silva]

There is a lot of wishful reading and re-search on Goa,  Konkann and Konkanni. Goa, which is a regional state now within the Indian Union (states and union territories),  was always a city, capital city of rulers. The Kadamba were 'ruling' Goa  is wrong. Portuguese did not rule 'Goa.' They called it Estado da India.  What did Adil Shah rule? Not Goa. Goa, Govapuri etc. were capital cities of their rulers. Goy was always a city, capital city. There were three: vhoddlem, adlem and novem (Pannaji). Good investigation alone helps in determining the past. People's oral songs speak of vhoddlem Goy. I have collected at least fifteen such songs from elders in Goa state today and in Canara. There is more.

W R da Silva

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[William Robert Da Silva]

My point is Goy, Goa are capital cities of rulers, not the land and state or kingdom.

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[Joao Paulo Cota]

Dear William, do you have any plans on publishing / recording these songs?

They are priceless.

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[William Robert Da Silva]

When you write about velha Goa and Goa velha, you refer to Portuguese language. It could not have been there before Estado da India when they arrived there. The names before the Portuguese needs to be reconstructed with Konkanni, Kannada, Marathi as part of the language group that operated there. Goapuri, Gomant, Gomantak etc. needs to be located in literature, written texts, because we cannot recover spoken words about these issues. There is so much more to be critical about in order to bring about a discourse and an understanding.

Thank you,

William Robert Da Silva

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[William Robert Da Silva]

I have an interest in doing it. There is also a ghumott song on the same theme. With vhoddlem Goy as the centre of power of the prince: Durut rai.

[Joao Paulo Cota]

Hi William,

It would be great if you can publish the music.

Quite often, people accumulate material and then it all gets forgotten over time, when other priorities take place, something that happens to everyone.

If you want, I can help putting it into music notes and can also help in musical/voice arrangements, I did composition and arrangements before, whilst organizing cultural projects in London with the now defunct Goan Musical Society.

We had interacted with Goan musicians from overseas, and had facilitated performing their work in London.

So that you know, both late Oboe Noronha and myself did participate into music symposiums in London at the Commonwealth Institute where we had pitched for Goan music forms. I used to cover the period upto 1800's and then Oboe Noronha used to carry on from that period till the 1960's where it froze in time.

(we did not considering Tiatr music on this study).

It is a great shame that Oboe claimed he had a collection of over 500 Goan pieces, from Oras to ladainhas and rare manddes / dulpods, but he has never shared anything. And now it appears to be lost after he passed away years ago. The family did not want to share anything then.

Hence, it would be great if your collection could be put to music and then possibly to voice/instruments before it gets lost/forgotten, so that Goans can appreciate their rich cultural heritage.

I can help if you are up for it.

Thanks.

JP Cota

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[William Robert Da Silva]

Thanks for your goodwill. There are in these folk songs people's musical rhythms, original in themselves, and they can be reproduced easily by hearing them once or twice. I do not have any musical script for them. My mother's sister was an expert at these as well as the vovio of weddings. My collection is of the 1950-60s from at least five talukas of South Kanara (today Udupi and DK). 

In Durut Rai the bird of the virgin princess of the Kadamba kula, runing from tree to tree, branch to branch, leaf to leaf and away into the high sky is so rhythmic, children had it in long preserved memory. 

In this context Goa is Vhoddlem Goy, Pornnem Goy (and, in recent years, Novem Goy of Panaji). In between I found documented, vhoddlem Goy (Kadamba), saibachem Goy or Goa velha (after the Cidade de Goa) and nov Goa or Panaji. These may be reported in writing in other ways too. All this wa from state archives in Panaji in the 1980s.

W R da Silva

On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 5:40 AM William Robert Da Silva <wrds...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have lost all hand-written MSS in Konkanni in Kannada script. Six educational institutions wanted my 1 crore worth academic library in the last 15 years and deceived me in every way by not paying the promised honorarium. I helped establish ManddSobhann with all its background music and tradition. I was not even invited to the inauguration and remained an outsider. So, three other cultural Konkanni projects. I was founder to them, but fully forgotten under newcomers. I got Ullas Buyao to Mangalore in 1976, celebrated Shenoi Goybab birth centenary in Mangalore in 1977 and five busloads of Goans came. There is plenty to narrate. I have completed a MS on UxttemSobhann, which is feeding the low caste Mhar or here Korgo, left overs of bride and bride-groom and guests, and KazarSobhann with all vovio and zotio. Let us see if I come to publish it. Durut Rai is my mother's recitation: Durut rai xikarek gelo (2), Xikarek vetam vetam Durut, bhutan bhukelo, Durut, tanen tanelo. Ka mholl'lo kavllo taka polleunk mellonk na, Si mholl'li sirli taka dison disonk na. Durut rai xikarek gelo... About 500 pages.

I will write on the present progress. I am trying for a scholarship in Goa to complete these works.

Thanks for your interest and generous offer. We will work out a mode of work.

William Robert

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