See how a quick-fix climate solution could also trigger war

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Alan Robock ☮

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May 3, 2023, 5:31:46 PM5/3/23
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See how a quick-fix climate solution could also trigger war

By Michael Birnbaum and Tom Humberstone

Washington Post, May 3, 2023
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Simone Tilmes

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May 3, 2023, 6:41:26 PM5/3/23
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Dear Alan,
in addition to that this comic is completely not line with what current model studies are showing what SRM would do in a short time to the weather (as scientists we really need to work on setting this straight) I am interested to understand where the number 1 deg cooling from Mt.Pinatubo is coming from? NASA??? 
One of the recent IPCC reports estimated 0.3degree of warming after Mt.Pinatubo when we remove the ocean variability.  
Simone

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Michael MacCracken

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May 3, 2023, 8:41:27 PM5/3/23
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Just a note that I sent in my comment on this really poorly done article:

The whole cartoon sequence has a huge number of errors, misconceptions, and misportrayals. The most reasonable application would be to start intervention small and gradually increase it with the intent of counterbalancing future warming or just slightly more. No country wants further warming with increasing likelihood of more intense extreme weather events, wildfires, biodiversity loss, etc. And it is unlikely any country wants the climate to return to the 19th century or even the first half of the 20th century. So, the idea would be return, for example, to conditions of the mid- to second half of the 20th century. Assuming countries continue on their path of reducing emissions, this would end up involving reflecting back to space less than 1% of incoming solar radiation--something that would be pretty hard to notice without very careful instruments. In that the climate is made up of the average across the weather events over multiple years, it is the distribution of weather events that would be changed, with less likelihood of the warmest such weather events, so generally lower likelihood and intensity of the worst weather events at locations around the world--so back toward the distributions present in the past. The return will not be perfect and a bit different everywhere, with research needed to check if new, adverse conditions out of the range of weather events that have occurred in the past would occur. As the weather system is global, to really an approach that could be weaponized. And the main threat for society is having global climate change continue to intensify for the several decades, at least, that it will take to totally eliminate global greenhouse gas emissions, during which quite catastrophic consequences are projected. The relative risk analysis that is needed is between climate change relying on mitigation and GHG removal with and without intervention. That is the key choice in my view, having been a climate change scientist for a half century.

Mike MacCracken

Alan Gadian

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May 4, 2023, 4:38:40 AM5/4/23
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p.s.

Apologies the overall from IPCC is 

“The net effect of changes in clouds in response to global warming is to amplify human-induced warming, that is, the net cloud feedback is positive (high confidence). Compared to AR5, major advances in the understanding of cloud processes have increased the level of confidence and decreased the uncertainty range in the cloud feedback by about 50%.

This is very misleading

Alan

 



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