This is a really interesting nonlinear mechanism, whereby high levels of CO2 might result in more warming than our models currently project, and with hysteresis (so that once you lose the clouds, you don’t get them back by cooling). But worth keeping in mind that their simulations were for 1700 ppm (~6x CO2); unclear whether or how much the mechanism might play a role at lower CO2 levels, but if we let CO2 get that high, we’re pretty much screwed anyway. Doesn’t say that SG would be bad (or good), just says that if we burn every ounce of fossil carbon in the ground, even SG might not save us. Hopefully we won’t have to test that hypothesis…
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Hi All
This is a very interesting result and an important warning about the dangers of 1700 parts per million CO2. It might be possible if difficult to selectively breed more intelligent politicians in the next a hundred years but we would need to know what to do with rejects.
I am not quite so worried about scattered stratocumulus clouds because this indicates a longer life for condensation nuclei. We want a low dose over a wide area and to avoid high local concentrations that we would get from a moving point source. The graphs below of the Twomey effect (via Schwartz and Slingo) show how reflectivity changes as a function of nuclei concentration for different different cloud thicknesses and water contents.

Start on any red or blue curve near the left of the graph. Move to the right along a thick black line to increase nuclei concentration and then upwards to get back to the curve you chose. Then repeat moving twice as far in the nuclei per cm3 direction each time to get successive doublings of nuclei concentration. Each doubling gives almost the same black step increase in reflectivity except for the very thinnest clouds. Cloud thickness and water content are less important than nuclei concentration.
Breathe safely
Stephen
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