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Stephen Salter

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Feb 26, 2020, 6:07:23 AM2/26/20
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Hi All

The site 

https://climatenewsnetwork.net/author/tim-radford/

has a bit about sea level rise, grim but not surprising.

I have asked some of you to tell me about mistakes or better assumptions for the attached. Only two replies but no killers so far.

Stephen

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Veli Albert Kallio

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Feb 27, 2020, 8:20:22 AM2/27/20
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I have been invited to give evidence at the UK Houses of Parliament on three occasions so far.

Like abrupt climate change, there may be also abrupt sea level rise. The long-standing paradigm has been of gradual sea level rise by the glaciers and ice sheets melting peacefully in situ to oblivion. This has been against historic and traditional sources citing often very violent sea flood.

My second evidence-giving session at the UK Houses of Parliament focused on the metamorphosis of cold, dry, stable and moraine-forming ice sheets into warm, wet, dynamic and aggregate-forming ice sheets that suddenly collapse, before leaving behind dead ice sheets, odd-bit stuck ice.

Several new papers have been citing my Parliament evidence that draws on soil formation and surface geology processes much as climate and glaciers themselves. The key process driving behind the change is the switchover of Type 1 moulins (seasonal impact moulins) into Type 2 moulins and crevasses (accumulative impact moulins and crevasses) where meltwater builds up within ice sheet and beneath it without draining out before the start of the following melt season.

Summer 2019 saw already some Greenland glaciers covered by up to 100 mm standing layer of melt water. The exhaustive ice sheet surface water cover will begin to form once the Arctic Ocean and the North Pole become ice-free during the summertime 24-hour sunlight season. The water will drain but always leave behind the dirt which then acts as vicious feedback loop for next melt.

My first evidence-giving 4th April gave the background onto the processes and the overall cotext of the rapid and often abrupt changes now occurring in the Arctic - some of which have not been foreseen and forethought. 24th April, referenced text includes the sources (due to Parliament protocols that truncated the 5th April text). The referenced text gives many good text sources.
The draft paper as at 24th April which is updated from the draft made for the oral presentation session (5th April 2017 does not contain any references and text errors needed corrections). The paper is still being worked on with more sections being
However, my 3rd evidence-giving session I was not able to put out because in the mean time I was given task to prepare a long presentation at the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) for the Bonn conference preparing for the next UN Conference of Parties (COP).

The key elements of the third evidence-giving session at Parliament would have been as follows:

1) the role of melting permafrost mountain and sea bed structures held together by frost, and the resulting melting from sustained higher air temperatures compromising continental margins both above and below sea level. This poses dangers like the recent tsunami in Greenland when coastal mountain collapsed into sea throwing off 95 metre tsunami wash, with one town affected with fatalities. The additional danger being a Storegga type slide below water line when permafrost melts and weakens.

2) furthering the concerns risen by the Loma Linda Geoscience Institute report which was attached exhaustively as part of my second evidence-giving at UK Houses of Parliament. This described a huge Schollen erratic boulder which at one point had had dimensions of miles being pushed by warmed and melted glacier as the Ice Ages came towards its end in Europe. The furthering look at the concepts of "cabracan", "zipcana", and "three heart-stones" processes on the deglaciation. In particular the role of ice penetration into geological faults and its effect of fracking and lubricating large pieces of rock becoming separated and behaving as if coated with teflon-life lubricant as a possible reason for the north side of the Laurentide Ice Sheet occurring with multitude islets.

3) look at the further papers following my evidence on the new inputs on the rapid erosion processes (cavitation, plucking, kolking, planing, subglacial turbidic rock currents) which have taken my points and furthered them in certain aspects.

4) look at the issue why methane appears to be building up at certain altitudes (air pressure levels) which also appear to be above the glacier level, hence not appearing in ice core records, and the misleading impression of low to non-extant methane presence due to only partial caption of methane-in-transit. This then leading to underestimating the role of methane in climate warming scenarios that impact the deglaciation processes driven by global warming - as discussed in our presentation and poster at Anthropology, Weather, and Climate Change at the British Museum.
Sea Research Society's poster "Looking At The Forward Running Clocks' - Carbon Cycles and Time From Pleistocene to Present" was presented at a major international conference organised by Royal Anthropological Institute (RAI):
In the above, I have received full support and help from Professor Sir Ghillean Prance, Fellow of Royal Society and the director of the Royal Botanical Gardens at Kew, London as well as the editor of the Arctic News, Sam Carana, among others which was presented under authority of Sea Research Society.

I have also been looking at geysers and hot water springs role as potential ice sheet, ice cap, and glacier melting feedback which featured in my presentation for the Frozen Isthmuses' Protection Campaign of the Arctic and North Atlantic Oceans at the Cochabamba-Tiquipaya climate summit. As yet, there is no evidence from Greenland of any intensification of above occurring, but in Antarctica there are number of active and dormant volcanoes in subglacial setting. Because the depressurisation is only obvious after extensive ablation, its occurrence is perhaps towards ending of glaciation when the system has already been destabilised by the warmed climate.

All above adds up further uncertainties in our understanding of future sea levels, the amount of tsunamogenic events and continental margin stabilities where there is presence of frosting.

Veli Albert Kallio, FRGS
Vice President, Sea Research Society
Environmental Affairs Department
The Sea Research Society (SRS) is a non-profit educational research organization founded in 1972. Its general purpose is to promote scientific and educational endeavors in any of the marine sciences or marine histories with the goal of obtaining knowledge for the ultimate benefit to mankind. It does both archival research and underwater expeditions in search of historic shipwrecks.
Veli Albert Kallio, Sea Research Society, Environmental Affairs Department, Faculty Member. Studies Climate Change, Climatology, and Meteorology.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/veli-albert-kallio-84b83114/
http://SupremeMasterTV.com—PLANET EARTH: OUR LOVING HOME Veli Albert Kallio: The Link Between Receding Glaciers and Natural Disasters. Episode: 1392, Air Date: 7 July 2010





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