Re: [prag] Experts call for global moratorium on efforts to geoengineer climate | Geoengineering | The Guardian

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H simmens

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Sep 14, 2023, 7:39:18 AM9/14/23
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If anyone can bear to watch the Overshoot Commission discuss the report at its press conference at 10 AM EDT here’s a link:


The Guardian must be thrilled that cooling must be subject to a moratorium as they chose to quote only scientists as Daniel pointed out who oppose SRM. 

To be clear, they do support further research, but when the headline is advocacy for a moratorium, then the distinct impression left with the average reader is that SRM it is dangerous, and needs to be kept in a locked box. 

In the meantime, the chair of the commission was quoted as saying that it is not inevitable that the world will cross the 1.5° C as Zeke Hausfather yesterday projected a better than 50% chance that 2023 would have an average temperature increase in excess of 1.5° C. (recognizing that the IPCC apparently defines the temperature as an average of over 20 years.)

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On Sep 14, 2023, at 7:23 AM, DV Henkel-Wallace <dv...@bluedotchange.com> wrote:

I liked that the article both supported and opposed carbon dioxide removal.

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On Sep 14, 2023, at 02:59, Daniel <dki...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,


So let's just build our resilience and adapt instead of direct cooling interventions. Who needs to grow food crops anyway? And swimming's great exercise...and fire extinguishers are great for wildfires. There's ONLY 20 - 30 years of continued warming in the pipeline without SRM apparently :) 

Quotes from Mark Maslin and Myles Allen are particularly infuriating I think:

Mark Maslin describes the disruption of polar jetstream and weather patterns fuelled by Arctic Amplification,  but describes this disruption purely as a potential threat posed by SRM. 

Myles Allen says global warming can stop completely within two to three decades (with less warming than has occurred since the year 2000 over that period) just by a combination of carbon reduction and 'take-back obligations'!

Enjoy! 
 

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Herb

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On Sep 14, 2023, at 9:54 AM, Daniel <dki...@gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks Herb for the link to the press conference.

Also Barbara (from MEER) just kindly forwarded me the following link for anyone who wants to write a letter to the Guardian regarding their skewed coverage of this matter:


Daniel


On Thu, Sep 14, 2023, 12:39 H simmens <hsim...@gmail.com> wrote:

If anyone can bear to watch the Overshoot Commission discuss the report at its press conference at 10 AM EDT here’s a link:


The Guardian must be thrilled that cooling must be subject to a moratorium as they chose to quote only scientists as Daniel pointed out who oppose SRM. 

To be clear, they do support further research, but when the headline is advocacy for a moratorium, then the distinct impression left with the average reader is that SRM it is dangerous, and needs to be kept in a locked box. 

In the meantime, the chair of the commission was quoted as saying that it is not inevitable that the world will cross the 1.5° C as Zeke Hausfather yesterday projected a better than 50% chance that 2023 would have an average temperature increase in excess of 1.5° C. (recognizing that the IPCC apparently defines the temperature as an average of over 20 years.)

Herb

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Author of A Climate Vocabulary of the Future
“A SciencePoem and an Inspiration.” Kim Stanley Robinson
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On Sep 14, 2023, at 7:23 AM, DV Henkel-Wallace <dv...@bluedotchange.com> wrote:

I liked that the article both supported and opposed carbon dioxide removal.

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Sep 14, 2023, 9:59:59 PM9/14/23
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I have sent this letter to The Guardian.

 

Your article Experts call for global moratorium on efforts to geoengineer climate (14 September) gives a distorted impression of the new report from the Climate Overshoot Commission.  In fact, the report advocates expanded research into the range of geoengineering methods proposed to cool the planet, while also recognising that none of these technologies are yet ready for field deployment.  Solar geoengineering is an essential adjunct to removing greenhouse gases.  Work in this emerging field requires extensive dialogue and cooperation to ensure proper attention to governance, transparency and scientific validation.  Such measured efforts are what the Overshoot Commission has called for.

 

Regards

 

Robert Tulip

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [prag] Experts call for global moratorium on efforts to geoengineer climate | Geoengineering | The Guardian

 

Thanks Herb for the link to the press conference.

 

Also Barbara (from MEER) just kindly forwarded me the following link for anyone who wants to write a letter to the Guardian regarding their skewed coverage of this matter:

 

 

Daniel

 

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If anyone can bear to watch the Overshoot Commission discuss the report at its press conference at 10 AM EDT here’s a link:

 

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