Renaming this Group - Solar Geoengineering or SRM Geoengineering

[M V Bhaskar]

Geoengineering refers to both SRM and CDR.

Since this group now focuses only on SRM it should be renamed to reflect the new objects.

So renaming this Group as 'Solar Geoengineering' or 'SRM Geoengineering' or any other suitable name would be appropriate.

[Anna-Maria Hubert]

Hello,

I would just like to have on the record that this (unilateral, gatekeeper) decision may not accord with all perspectives represented in the geoengineering literature and that many who research this topic still see the umbrella term "geoengineering" as salient to our work and remains widely used in the literature including by scientists and technicians.  Where will you post the papers that have broad relevance to both categories of (solar and carbon removal) geoengineering approaches? I've already had push back from moderators who are reluctant to include such research on this Google Group and issues relating to cross posting between the groups. (Without wanting to revisit the naming debate which is well understood by all of us) I would like to point out that this decision here tends to privilege a technocratic approach that does not necessarily accord with other branches of the literature including the social sciences and humanities. 

Terminology is a complex issue in this field, these topics are clearly related as part of the the broader portfolio of climate strategies. Perhaps most importantly, I think it is a pity that we are moving away from interdisciplinary cooperation and nuance in co-defining concepts across different areas of expertise in a research field that was interdisciplinary from its inception.

Best wishes,

Anna-Maria

Anna-Maria Hubert
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Geoengineering refers to both SRM and CDR.

Since this group now focuses only on SRM it should be renamed to reflect the new objects.

So renaming this Group as 'Solar Geoengineering' or 'SRM Geoengineering' or any other suitable name would be appropriate.

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[Daniele Visioni]

I 100% agree with Anna-Maria, for what it’s worth.

Also, limiting the name to “SRM” or “Solar Geoengineering” would exclude things like Cirrus Thinning, since that’s technically Planetary radiation management and not solar.

I think we can only be enriched by having different perspective on this field. The more we narrow it down, the more we risk missing.

Daniele

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[Hiroshi Mizutani]

Hi,

I second Assistant Professor Anna-Maria Hubert.

Regards,

Hiroshi MIZUTANI

Senior Research Scientist

Institute of Sociogeochemistry

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[Jane Flegal]

I agree with Professor Hubert, for what it is worth. In addition to the substantive benefits of maintaining a broader frame in this group (including, but not limited to, the benefits of facilitating interdisciplinary collaboration and understanding), it strikes me as premature to "split" in this narrow forum (for reasons that remain unclear to me) before broader societal conversations about "lumping" and "splitting" have had a chance to evolve. 

Jane Flegal, PhD

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[Andrew Lockley]

Greg's CDR group was split off by others. It wasn't my decision. It quickly became apparent that duplication of all the CDR content across both groups was unproductive.

This group remains called geoengineering, unless and until there's a decision to change. I'm in no rush, and it seems only MVB is keen. 

I have *no problem with cross cutting posts*, or with cross posting to both lists. I think exclusive CDR content should go elsewhere, and I recommend Greg's CDR group (which I don't moderate, but post on). 

I put CCT in with SRM, because that's it's natural home (it doesn't affect carbon cycle much, has similar governance to SRM). If we get pedantic and split CCT out, we'd similarly also have to consider SRM as CDR, because of its carbon cycle effect.

I'd welcome further discussion. 

Andrew 

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[Ernie Rogers]

I think the name change is in order.  Further, "geoengineering" literally means engineering of earth.  We should preserve that.

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[Nils]

I am part of the Hubert-camp, if that issue is still open for discussion.

 

Nils

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[Jamais Cascio]

I am in the Hubert camp, as well. As Andrew and a few others know, I’ve been part of the list from the beginning. I’m not active right now, but I watch closely. 

Recently, the group moderators acknowledged a shift away from a professional research orientation here, and more of a focus on broad interest. That’s fine, but to me that suggests that we’re more likely to see pieces posted here that cross the artificial boundary between solar radiation geo and CO2 removal geo, and that go places not adequately covered by those two terms. Also, we’re likely to see more social science and politics of geo pieces here, which often touch on all forms. Finally, if this group has embraced the notion that it’s a general audience list, then it should bias towards terms that would be broadly recognized. Like it or not, geoengineering has become the widely used term. 

Anyway, that’s my take.

cheers

Jamais Cascio

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[Andrew Lockley]

There has been no change to membership or posting policy in the past year or so - except for the CDR exodus.

To recap 

*anyone can join and post 

*and long as it's readable, on-topic and not abusive/spam/nonsense, it gets posted

*there's no subject bias - eg atmos, econ, soc sci 

I try to make sure everything formally published in the literature goes up, plus any particularly interesting grey literature. I prioritise grey publications with quotes or contributions from active academics. But I'm not given any special posting rights, and anyone can post like I do.

I think the consensus is to keep the name and policies. 

If anyone wants to challenge those arrangements, let me know 

Andrew 

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