GP Ansor: Ferdinand Jadi Tersangka Penuhi Rasa Keadilan

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Chan CT

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GP Ansor: Ferdinand Jadi Tersangka Penuhi Rasa Keadilan

Selasa , 11 Januari 2022 | 07:08
GP Ansor: Ferdinand Jadi Tersangka Penuhi Rasa Keadilan
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Mantan politisi Partai Demokrat Ferdinand Hutahaean berjalan saat tiba untuk menjalani pemeriksaan di Bareskirim Mabes Polri, Jakarta, Senin (10/1/2022).

JAKARTA - Ketua GP Ansor, Luqman Hakim mendukung langkah kepolisian yang telah menahan dan menetapkan tersangka pegiat sosial media Ferdinand Hutahaean terkait dugaan kasus ujaran kebencian.

Ferdinand ditahan oleh polisi usai dinyatakan sebagai tersangka pada Senin (10/1/2022). Dia sempat diperiksa 11 jam sebelum menjadi tersangka.

"Langkah cepat dan tegas polisi ini saya harapkan dapat memenuhi rasa keadilan masyarakat. Sehingga dapat dicegah potensi meluasnya kegaduhan publik yang dapat mengganggu ketentraman masyarakat," kata Luqman dalam keterangannya di Jakarta, Selasa (11/1/2022).

Luqman meminta kepada masyarakat untuk mempercayakan sepenuhnya penanganan kasus tersebut kepada pihak Polisi. Namun, harus tetap menjunjung tinggi asas praduga tak bersalah."Tanpa menghakimi terlebih dahulu, hingga kelak putusan pengadilan dijatuhkan," katanya.

Tak hanya itu, Luqman berharap polisi bisa memberikan kesempatan kepada Ferdinand untuk mendapatkan bimbingan agama Islam. Terlebih, yang bersangkutan mengklaim telah memeluk agama Islam atau mualaf pada 2017 lalu."Supaya yang bersangkutan dalam mendalami dan melaksanakan ajaran dan syariat Islam," tuturnya.

Dia juga mengajak kepada seluruh masyarakat lebih bijaksana menggunakan media sosial ke depannya."Agar kemajuan teknologi informasi ini menjadi sumbangan bagi perbaikan peradaban manusia," ucapnya seperti dikutip CNNINdonesia.com.

Ferdinand dalam akun Twitter-nya @FerdinandHaean3 sempat mencuit "Kasihan sekali Allahmu ternyata lemah harus dibela. Kalau aku sih Allahku luar biasa, maha segalanya, Dialah pembelaku selalu dan Allahku tak perlu dibela". Namun, cuitannya itu diakui Ferdinand telah dihapus di sosial media Twitter-nya.

Ferdinand mengklaim cuitan itu dibuat karena pergumulan pribadinya yang tengah menderita penyakit menahun. Penyakit itu sangat mempengaruhi kesadarannya. Alhasil, pelbagai pihak mengkritik keras cuitan tersebut. Bahkan, beberapa pihak telah melaporkan Ferdinand ke pihak kepolisian.(*)

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Yang dihebohkan dengan Ferdinand, tetapi oknom-oknom seperti ustad Abdul Somad yang berceremah dengan mengatakan bahwa di salib  ada jin kafir dan mengikuti ISIS atau Daesh itu bagus tidak dihebohkan oleh partai-partai agama, bahwa pernyataan adul itu tidak pada tempatnya. Sama halnya dengan Yahya Waloni yang menyatakan dalam ceramahnya bahwa Injil orang Kristen itu palsu dan omong  kosong.  

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Apakah pengadilan akan membuktukan bahwa Allah itu tidak lemah? Allah yang kuat yang bagaimana.?
Pengadilan Di itali pernah mengalami perkara keberadaan Tuhan.....


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Ada betulnya juga, pengadilan untuk membuktikan Allah kuat atau lemah, tentu harus lebih dahulu bisa membuktikan keberadaan Allah atau TUHAN! Jadi, penginin tahu bagaimana hasil keputusan Pengadilan di Itali itu? Ada yang bisa kasih informasi, ...?
 
Tapi, saya juga lebih tertarik dengan sekelompok agamis di Indonesia, yang nampaknya terlalu sensitif/peka terhadap pernyataan atau kata-kata yang keluar dari kelopok lain, sementara ustad yang justru bukan hanya menghina tapi menghujat dan memaki-maki Agama lain dibiarkan saja, ...!!! Barangkali itulah sebab mengapa Ferdinad mengatakan: "Kasihan sekali Allahmu ternyata lemah harus dibela. Kalau aku sih Allahku luar biasa, maha segalanya, Dialah pembelaku selalu dan Allahku tak perlu dibela". Entah nanti bagaimana Pengadilan membuktikan pernyataan begitu bisa dituduh “Menghina Agama dengan merendahkan Allahmu!” Bagaimana HUKUM ditegakkan dengan baik dan adil di Indonesia yang beragam!

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Italian Court Told to Prove Jesus Existed

Saturday January 21, 2006 Offbeat News

ROME, Italy (AP) — Lawyers for a small-town parish priest have been ordered to appear in court next week after the Roman Catholic cleric was accused of unlawfully asserting what many people take for granted: that Jesus Christ existed.

The Rev. Enrico Righi was named in a 2002 complaint filed by Luigi Cascioli after Righi wrote in a parish bulletin that Jesus did indeed exist, and that he was born of a couple named Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth.

Cascioli, a lifelong atheist, claims that Righi violated two Italian laws by making the assertion: so-called “abuse of popular belief” in which someone fraudulently deceives people; and “impersonation” in which someone gains by attributing a false name to someone.

Cascioli says that for 2,000 years the Roman Catholic Church has been deceiving people by furthering the fable that Christ existed, and says the church has been gaining financially by impersonating as Christ someone by the name of John of Gamala, the son of Judas from Gamala.

He also asserts that the Gospels — the most frequently cited testimony of Jesus’ existence — are inconsistent, full of errors and biased, and that other written evidence from the time is scant and doesn’t hold up to scholarly analysis.

Prosecutors, who in Italy are obliged to investigate such complaints, initially tried to have the case dismissed, saying no crime could be verified.

But Cascioli challenged them, and Judge Gaetano Mautone set a hearing for next Friday in Viterbo, north of Rome, to discuss preliminary motions in Cascioli’s bid to have the court appoint technical experts to review the historical data and determine if Jesus really did exist.

Cascioli, 72, said in a recent interview that he decided to pursue the case against Righi, a priest in the village of Bagnoregio, near Viterbo, because the cleric had written in the parish bulletin that Jesus existed.

Asked why he went after Righi — a schoolmate when he and Cascioli were boys — and not any number of bishops, cardinals or even the pope who have asserted the very same thing, Cascioli said it didn’t really matter whom he named in his complaint.

“When one demonstrates that Christ didn’t exist, attacking a simple priest is the same thing as attacking a bishop or cardinal,” Cascioli said.

Cascioli is quick to stress that he has no problem with Christians freely professing their faith. Rather, he says in his complaint, he wants to “denounce the abuse that the Catholic Church commits by availing itself of its prestige in order to inculcate — as if being real and historical — facts that are really just inventions.”

Righi, who has been a priest for 50 years, declined to be interviewed on the advice of his lawyers before the pending court date. But he set out his rebuke of Cascioli in a recent issue of his parish bulletin “Risveglio,” or “Awaken,” and said by telephone that the article encapsulated his position.

Righi argues that the existence of Christ is “unmistakable” because of the substantial historical evidence — both pagan and religious — testifying that he indeed lived.

“Cascioli maintains that Christ never existed. If he doesn’t see the sun at midday, he can’t denounce me just because I do. He should denounce all believers!” Righi wrote.

He cited many known observers, including non-Christian ones, who have written about the existence of Jesus, including the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, considered by scholars to be the most important non-Christian source on Christ’s existence.

A passage of Josephus'”Jewish Antiquities,” completed in A.D. 93, cites the execution in A.D. 62 of “the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, James by name.”

Righi also cited Pliny the Younger, who in the early second century described a policy of executing Christians who refused to curse Christ, and Tacitus, another writer of the same time who wrote that Jesus was executed by the sentence of Pontius Pilate.

“You would have to give lie to each, one by one, to cancel the Christ man that they speak of,” Righi wrote.

R. Scott Appleby, a professor of church history at the University of Notre Dame, concurs. There’s “no real doubt” that Jesus existed, he said.

“But what Jesus of Nazareth did and what he means is a different question,” Appleby said. “But on the question of the existence, there is more evidence of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth than there would be for many other historical people who actually existed. Not only did Jesus actually exist, but he actually had some kind of prominence to be mentioned in two or three chronicles.”

Cascioli says he fully recognizes that his case has a slim chance of succeeding in overwhelmingly Catholic Italy, but not because his argument is lacking.

“We aren’t optimistic — unless the Madonna makes a miracle, but I don’t think that will happen,” he joked.

Cascioli says he is merely going through the necessary legal steps in Italy so he can ultimately take the matter to the European Court of Human Rights, where he intends to pursue the case against the church for “religious racism.”

“I was born against Christ and God,” he said. “I’m doing it (the complaint) now because I should do it before I die.”



BILLY GUNADIE

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Kalau kita lihat sejarah... 313AD dimulainya Catholicism menggantikan Paganism, memuja 12 Dewa. (Constantine the Great}. Kemudian agama Islam, kelanjutan dari agama Kristen, kita hanya melihat isi yang ada pada Bible dan Quran, manusia pertama Adam dan Hawa.

Kalimat Ferdinand cuma dibaca "...Allah lemah"..?

Apakah hukumnya yang salah, condong pada memberikan prioritas pada Agama? Seharsnya HUKUM itu untuk kebaikan dan keadilan bersama, tidak memihak. Common Law...
Dalam Bible, dalam ajaran Khong Hu-chu dan Isalam, dan norma norma tertentu.. Hormatilah orang Tua mu.

Zaman Raja-Raja kata katanya menjadi hukum, termasuk Raja lalim. Agama kristen pada mulanya melarang aktifitas pada hari Minggu, hari gereja, sebetulnya hari Sabath, Saptu.
Kanada salah satunya, tapi kerena tuntutan ekonomi..

Ontario's Progressive Conservative government introduces a law (the Retail Business Holidays Act) prohibiting shopping on Sundays and Christian holy days. Unlike the federal Lord's Day Act, under the provincial Retail Business Holidays Act, police do not need the permission of the Attorney General to lay a charge 

June 3, 1992, marked the end of an 85 year long ban on retail sales activity in the province of Ontario, Canada. The federal Lord's Day Act ban was defeated in Supreme Court of Canada in 1985, but the same court upheld a more oppressive provincial ban (the Retail Business Holidays Act). Ultimately, the defeat of the ban would take political action, not court action.

This web archive is being released by Freedom Party of Ontario for educational purposes and to mark the 20th anniversary of the defeat of the ban on Sunday shopping. The materials made available on this page have been scanned from the archives of the Freedom Party of Ontario, and are being released to the public for the first time ever.

Much of the material has been put together for you in a documentary by Paul McKeever, "Never on a Sunday: The History of Sunday Shopping in Ontario", which you can view below. However, you can also look at actual newspaper clippings from the 20th century, listen to radio talk show broadcasts and interviews from the 1980's and 1990's, read the more important court decisions, and more.

Ampir semua buku agama mengatakan bahwa Tuhan itu maha Agung, maha Tau, maha Esa, maha Asih....

Kenapa kalau dihina menjadi marah,,,? Tentu juga Tuhan bisa mendidik si Penghina menjadi Pengasih?

Kalau secara hukum, tertera katagori apa itu menghina agama, Tuhan/agama harus dilindungi, bukankah ini suatu paksaan?
Kalau kita bandingkan dengan undang undang Thailand, menhina Raja, Ratu dan anggota Royal hukuman mati.
Bukanlah ini suatu alat intimidasi oleh Kerajaan Thailand kepada rakyatnya?

Kalau kita lihat agama, di dunia ada lebih dari 10,000an, difinisi agama menurut Webster Dictionary adalah suatu Kepercayaan. 

Melihat perkambangan sejarah manusia, dari Hunter Gatherer, Animisme, Tao, Zen, Zoroastrian, Bahain, Paganisme, Hindu, Buddha, Confucius, Shinto, Islam, Scientology, dsb, dsb......

Salahnya agama dipolitisasi, agama seolah suatu BADAN, dipakai senjata, yang bisa menuntut, ada delik dan dibawa kepengadilan, apakah betul ada keadilannya?
Bukankah itu antara Tuhan dan yang menghina? Tuhan bisa menghukum, kalau tidak maka betul Allah lemah atau maha asih?
   
 




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Lanjutan..
God dipakai sebagai alat, dan dimanusiakan, bahkan God created human on his image..Adam created from ashes, and Eve from the Adam's rib...

Dalam sejarah Amerika Latin, sewaktu Conquistador/Spaniard menaklukan Bangsa Aztec/Mayan, adanya WHITE GOD, yang berkulit putih, memakai baju besi, naik kuda.....
Dengan kepercayaan itu..

Much has been made of the Aztecs’ “superstitious” belief that Cortés was a god, and that Montezuma was paralysed with fear by a series of omens predicting the downfall of the city. Cortés’s deification appears to be a combination of mistranslation and later invention,

Prior to the arrival of the Spaniards, beginning in 1509, Montezuma believed that there were eight omens predicting the end of the Aztec civilization, the end of the world.  The last of the eight omens in 1517 reported to Montezuma, was the sighting of “men with two heads”.   They were the horse-back riding men of Juan de Grijalva’s expedition.  Coinciding with the arrival of Cortez, which was on the traditional birthday of Quetzalcoatl and during the year of the end of the 52 year cycle of the Aztec calendar, could have added to the legend.   Montezuma may have been confused by all these events.  Then again, there may have been confusion on the part of the Spanish; the possibility of the misinterpretation of the Nahuatl language for the greeting and/or the fact that the meaning of politeness to the Aztecs represented superiority to whoever was being polite.

The question remains: was Montezuma II weak and fearful of Cortez, knowing that he may have returned to punish them or was he the strong leader of the Aztec Empire, extending a welcome to these strange men?  I suppose we will never know for sure what was going on in the mind of Montezuma.


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