about ")credits"

[Qian Yun]

")credits" is broken after recent setq.lisp -> boot change.

Variable name change (credits -> $credits) is not reflected in
src/interp/i-syscmd.boot .

Also it is a list of symbols not strings.

Since we are on this subject, shall we convert it into a
text file, just like what we did in ")copyright" and ")summary"?

- Qian

[Waldek Hebisch]

We could do this. For now I just commited obvious fix.

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Waldek Hebisch

[Tim Daly]

I find it amusing that )credits only lists people as of October 2006.

Can I reasonably conclude that no-one has contributed any

credit-worthy contributions in the last 20 years?

I created the credits list when I discovered that Christine Sundaresan,

who wrote the initial version of the Users Guide that became the backbone

of the Axiom book, was nowhere mentioned since she left the Scratchpad

project prior to publication. I found this professionally outrageous. Since then 

I have carefully  tracked every contributor, great and small.

Credit is the "coin of the realm" (nummus regni), the currency that for

any culture most holds value. Surely in both academic and open source,

the "currency" is "credit".

Tim

[Grégory Vanuxem]

I saw that when I manually merged the commit (which was fixed since - the symbols and name). I even looked for Qian, and not found him.

BTW, I think that this is improvable but that likely requires substantial work I think (?). 

Greg

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[Qian Yun]

Entries in Changelog and git log should give around 20 names
for contributors to FriCAS in the past 2 decades.

I will make credits into a separate file and make it up-to-date.

- Qian

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[Waldek Hebisch]

On Mon, May 18, 2026 at 03:01:29AM -0700, Tim Daly wrote:
> I find it amusing that )credits only lists people as of October 2006.
> Can I reasonably conclude that no-one has contributed any
> credit-worthy contributions in the last 20 years?

We have ChangeLog and info from version control, so later
contributions are accounted for pretty accurately. Single
mention in ')credits' is rather inaccurate, but it is the best
what we have for period up to October 2006.

I would found confusing very long unqualified list of names, where
some people may be unaware that FriCAS exists and most contributed
via their work on Axiom but made no direct contribution to FriCAS.
So that is why I kept things separate, with clear indication who
contributed in Axiom period and contribution to FriCAS recored in
ChangeLog.

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[Tim Daly]

" Single mention in ')credits' is rather inaccurate"

A list of contributors (aka credit) is standard practice

on all research papers given by the list of "authors".

Indeed, in physics these days, especially where CERN 

research is published, involve list "authors" as many 

dozens of people.

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[Tim Daly]

Quan's real name, which I no longer remember, is listed in the Axiom

credit list which is in every published PDF.

I co-authored a book on computer vision for the IBM robot.

When I left the robot project my name was removed from the book.

The research I did and the chapters I wrote seemed not to matter.

Why people feel the need to play games with "credit" puzzles me.

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[Qian Yun]

I've move the names to src/etc/credits.

We have a fairly complete list (42 names) at
src/doc/sphinx/source/contributors.rst

(I "forgot" it since it is buried deep inside directories.)

Maybe we should add them to the end of "src/etc/credits",
so that they can gain better visibility via ")credits".

- Qian

[Qian Yun]

I'd like to add the following lines to the end of
src/etc/credits.

I hope I'm not misspelling names. Or omit names.

I think this is a good complementary to
src/doc/sphinx/source/contributors.rst :

This is for terminal, that is for web.
This one is ASCII for maximal compatibility (of OS, Lisp),
that one contains Unicode.
This is "Firstname Lastname", that is "Lastname, Firstname".

- Qian

=====
An alphabetical listing of contributors to FriCAS (to May, 2026):

Krystian Baclawski Abhinav Baid Martin Baker
Peter Broadbery Raoul Bourquin Frederic Chapoton
David Cyganski Tim Daly Gabriel Dos Reis
David Einstein Bertfried Fauser Johannes Grabmeier
Andrey Grozin Riccardo Guida Waldek Hebisch
Ralf Hemmecke Rainer Joswig Sergey Kostyaev
Franz Lehner Francois Maltey Camm Maguire
Piet van Oostrum Paul Onions Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga
Kurt Pagani Bill Page Dima Pasechnik
Alfredo Portes Arthur C. Ralfs Anatoly Raportirenko
Renaud Rioboo Martin Rubey Neven Sajko
Grigory Sarnitskiy Aleksej Saushev Konrad Schrempf
Alexander Solovets Robert Smith Hill Strong
Gregory Vanuxem Stephen Wilson Qian Yun
=====

[Ralf Hemmecke]

A side remark about the format...
Wouldn't it make sense to list the names one per line and alphabetically?

I somehow would even like to put the lastname into the first positon,
but there are certainly different opinions and there is a multitude of
varieties of how people in different parts of the world write their
names. So no need to follow this weak opion of mine.

Maybe it would also make sense to split the list into "Contribution to
Axiom" and "Contribution to FriCAS". In the contribution to FriCAS, we
could also add the year of contribution, but that is not so important,
since it can easily be extracted from the ChangeLog file or the git history.

Ralf

[Qian Yun]

I took a look, ")credits" existed in NAG era, one name per line,
91 in total.

Probably Tim decided to display 3 per line to save space.

I kinda liked current format.

- Qian

On 5/26/26 2:04 PM, 'Ralf Hemmecke' via FriCAS - computer algebra system
wrote:

[Ralf Hemmecke]

On 5/26/26 11:37, Qian Yun wrote:
> I took a look, ")credits" existed in NAG era, one name per line,
> 91 in total.

I very much guess that Tim would want us to include even more people.
Since he is the one with most inside into who worked on what in
Scratchpad II and AXIOM times, we can only trust the names that he can
give us and/or contact the old fellows if they are still around.

> Probably Tim decided to display 3 per line to save space.

> I kinda liked current format.

Well, it shouldn't be to hard to write a little routine to display a
one-name-per-line file in 3 columns.

In fact, I've created

https://fricas.github.io/contributors.html

which should contain all the contributors since FriCAS was forked from
AXIOM.

Maybe, we should also start the habit of listing the contributors to
each release in the release notes. I think the SageMath project is doing
that.

Ralf

[Tim Daly]

The email thread in the distribution (axiom/book) is the source of some of the names.

Others are people I have worked with who contributed time and effort. It is all in git.

This is all being pushed into the dustbin of history as https://axiommath.ai/ is now

violating my common law trademark. I spoke with several trademark firms. They

refused to take the case as it is clear I have no chance to win against a multi-million

dollar company which appears to be formed as of January 2026. Worse yet, the

CEO has a law degree. So expect any reference to Axiom and the people listed

below will disappear from the web shortly. I am actively working on merging Axiom

and LEAN but none of the work is open source as you know how well the whole

"open source" thing went for me. :-)

This list is included in every PDF at build time.

Inclusion of names in the list of credits is based on historical information and is as accurate
as possible. Inclusion of names does not in any way imply an endorsement but represents
historical infuence on Axiom development.

Michael Albaugh 

Cyril Alberga 

Roy Adler

Christian Aistleitner 

Richard Anderson 

George Andrews

S.J. Atkins 

Henry Baker 

Martin Baker

Stephen Balzac 

Yurij Baransky 

David R. Barton

Thomas Baruchel 

Gerald Baumgartner 

Gilbert Baumslag

Michael Becker 

Nelson H. F. Beebe 

Jay Belanger

David Bindel 

Fred Blair 

Vladimir Bondarenko

Mark Botch 

Raoul Bourquin 

Alexandre Bouyer

Karen Braman 

Peter A. Broadbery 

Martin Brock

Manuel Bronstein 

Stephen Buchwald 

Florian Bundschuh

Luanne Burns 

William Burge 

Ralph Byers

Quentin Carpent 

Robert Caviness 

Bruce Char

Ondrej Certik 

Tzu-Yi Chen 

Cheekai Chin

David V. Chudnovsky 

Gregory V. Chudnovsky 

Mark Clements

James Cloos 

Jia Zhao Cong 

Josh Cohen

Christophe Conil 

Don Coppersmith 

George Corliss

Robert Corless 

Gary Cornell 

Meino Cramer

Jeremy Du Croz 

David Cyganski 

Nathaniel Daly

Timothy Daly Sr. 

Timothy Daly Jr. 

James H. Davenport

David Day 

James Demmel 

Didier Deshommes

Michael Dewar 

Jack Dongarra 

Jean Della Dora

Gabriel Dos Reis 

Claire DiCrescendo 

Sam Dooley

Lionel Ducos 

Iain Duff 

Lee Duhem

Martin Dunstan 

Brian Dupee 

Dominique Duval

Robert Edwards 

Heow Eide-Goodman 

Lars Erickson

Richard Fateman 

Bertfried Fauser 

Stuart Feldman

John Fletcher 

Brian Ford 

Albrecht Fortenbacher

George Frances 

Constantine Frangos 

Timothy Freeman

Korrinn Fu 

Marc Gaetano 

Rudiger Gebauer

Van de Geijn 

Kathy Gerber 

Patricia Gianni

Gustavo Goertkin 

Samantha Goldrich 

Holger Gollan

Teresa Gomez-Diaz 

Laureano Gonzalez-Vega 

Stephen Gortler

Johannes Grabmeier 

Matt Grayson 

Klaus Ebbe Grue

James Griesmer 

Vladimir Grinberg 

Oswald Gschnitzer

Ming Gu 

Jocelyn Guidry 

Gaetan Hache

Steve Hague 

Satoshi Hamaguchi 

Sven Hammarling

Mike Hansen 

Richard Hanson 

Richard Harke

Bill Hart 

Vilya Harvey 

Martin Hassner

Arthur S. Hathaway 

Dan Hatton 

Waldek Hebisch

Karl Hegbloom 

Ralf Hemmecke 

Henderson

Antoine Hersen 

Roger House 

Gernot Hueber

Pietro Iglio 

Alejandro Jakubi 

Richard Jenks

William Kahan 

Kyriakos Kalorkoti 

Kai Kaminski
Grant Keady 

Wilfrid Kendall 

Tony Kennedy
Ted Kosan 

Paul Kosinski 

Klaus Kusche
Bernhard Kutzler 

Tim Lahey 

Larry Lambe
Kaj Laurson 

George L. Legendre 

Franz Lehner
Frederic Lehobey 

Michel Levaud 

Howard Levy
Ren-Cang Li 

Rudiger Loos 

Michael Lucks
Richard Luczak 

Camm Maguire 

Francois Maltey
Alasdair McAndrew 

Bob McElrath 

Michael McGettrick
Edi Meier 

Ian Meikle 

David Mentre
Victor S. Miller 

Gerard Milmeister 

Mohammed Mobarak
H. Michael Moeller 

Michael Monagan 

Marc Moreno-Maza
Scott Morrison 

Joel Moses 

Mark Murray
William Naylor 

Patrice Naudin 

C. Andrew Neff
John Nelder 

Godfrey Nolan 

Arthur Norman
Jinzhong Niu 

Michael O'Connor 

Summat Oemrawsingh
Kostas Oikonomou 

Humberto Ortiz-Zuazaga 

Julian A. Padget
Bill Page 

David Parnas 

Susan Pelzel
Michel Petitot 

Didier Pinchon 

Ayal Pinkus
Frederick H. Pitts 

Jose Alfredo Portes 

Gregorio Quintana-Orti
Claude Quitte 

Arthur C. Ralfs 

Norman Ramsey
Anatoly Raportirenko 

Albert D. Rich 

Michael Richardson
Guilherme Reis 

Huan Ren 

Renaud Rioboo
Jean Rivlin 

Nicolas Robidoux 

Simon Robinson
Raymond Rogers 

Michael Rothstein 

Martin Rubey

Philip Santas 

Alfred Scheerhorn 

William Schelter
Gerhard Schneider 

Martin Schoenert 

Marshall Schor
Frithjof Schulze 

Fritz Schwarz 

Steven Segletes
V. Sima 

Nick Simicich 

William Sit
Elena Smirnova 

Jonathan Steinbach 

Fabio Stumbo
Christine Sundaresan 

Robert Sutor 

Moss E. Sweedler
Eugene Surowitz 

Max Tegmark 

T. Doug Telford
James Thatcher 

Balbir Thomas 

Mike Thomas
Dylan Thurston 

Steve Toleque 

Barry Trager
Themos T. Tsikas 

Gregory Vanuxem 

Bernhard Wall
Stephen Watt Jaap 

Weel Juergen Weiss
M. Weller 

Mark Wegman 

James Wen
Thorsten Werther 

Michael Wester 

R. Clint Whaley
James T. Wheeler 

John M. Wiley 

Berhard Will
Clifton J. Williamson 

Stephen Wilson 

Shmuel Winograd
Robert Wisbauer 

Sandra Wityak 

Waldemar Wiwianka
Knut Wolf

Yanyang Xiao 

Liu Xiaojun

Clifford Yapp 

David Yun 

Vadim Zhytnikov
Richard Zippel 

Evelyn Zoernack 

Bruno Zuercher
Dan Zwillinger