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Ben Laurie

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May 30, 2019, 6:58:43 AM5/30/19
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I wanted to send YURLs info to someone and it seems the waterken domain has expired.

Of course it still exists on the Wayback Machine, but seems like that info should be more properly preserved...

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Dan Connolly

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May 31, 2019, 8:43:48 AM5/31/19
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Definitely... Wait... Which domain expired? http://waterken.sourceforge.net/ works fine here.

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Dan Connolly

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May 31, 2019, 8:50:13 AM5/31/19
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https://github.com/kragen/waterken-server looks like a pretty good archive of the content...

Dan Connolly

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May 31, 2019, 8:55:38 AM5/31/19
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Ben Laurie

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May 31, 2019, 9:07:32 AM5/31/19
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Mark S. Miller

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May 31, 2019, 11:23:20 AM5/31/19
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On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:55 AM Dan Connolly <dc...@madmode.com> wrote:

Hi Dan,
I've never heard of sedo.com . Is this legit? How did you find out it is there? What about waterken.com and waterken.org ?

In any case, I just spent $99 through paypal to allegedly buy waterken.net from sedo.com . Hope this goes well!


 

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Chris Hibbert

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May 31, 2019, 12:13:36 PM5/31/19
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On 5/31/19 8:23 AM, Mark S. Miller wrote:
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> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:55 AM Dan Connolly <dc...@madmode.com
> <mailto:dc...@madmode.com>> wrote:
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> Ugh... A squatter wants $99 for waterken.net <http://waterken.net>
>
> https://sedo.com/search/details/?language=us&domain=waterken.net&partnerid=55490&origin=partner
>
>
> Hi Dan,
> I've never heard of sedo.com <http://sedo.com> . Is this legit? How did
> you find out it is there? What about waterken.com <http://waterken.com>
> and waterken.org <http://waterken.org> ?

It's legit in the sense of having been around for a while, and
apparently allowing people to list available names for resale and
facilitating transactions. I expect you'll actually end up with the
domain transferred to you.

I've received come-ons from them, though I don't think I've bought, sold
or listed domains with them.

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Tyler Close

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May 31, 2019, 2:14:13 PM5/31/19
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Hi all,

Sorry, this is my doing. I allowed the domains to expire since I
hadn't worked on them in a long while and didn't think anyone was
looking at them anymore. Seemed long past time to move on. The
waterken.sf.net site still has most of the content, including the last
version of the code.

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Dan Connolly

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May 31, 2019, 3:12:04 PM5/31/19
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On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:23 AM Mark S. Miller <eri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:55 AM Dan Connolly <dc...@madmode.com> wrote:

Hi Dan,
I've never heard of sedo.com . Is this legit? How did you find out it is there?

I searched for "whois" and picked http://whois.domaintools.com/ because I got a positive impression of them previously somehow...
domaintools referred me to sedo. This is the first I have heard of sedo too.
 
What about waterken.com and waterken.org ?


http://whois.domaintools.com/waterken.org says "This domain is listed for sale at one of our partner sites for $31." The partner in this case seems to be afternic. Don't know them well.

In any case, I just spent $99 through paypal to allegedly buy waterken.net from sedo.com . Hope this goes well!

Yeah; here's hoping.


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Marc Stiegler

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May 31, 2019, 3:37:54 PM5/31/19
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This is also my fault. Tyler handed the domain to me when he retired. I just recently let it expire when it became obvious I wouldn't do anything with it any more either. Sorry. 

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Ben Laurie

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May 31, 2019, 4:06:07 PM5/31/19
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On Fri, 31 May 2019 at 20:37, Marc Stiegler <ma...@skyhunter.com> wrote:
This is also my fault. Tyler handed the domain to me when he retired. I just recently let it expire when it became obvious I wouldn't do anything with it any more either. Sorry. 

Tyler retired?

Anyway, there are various ideas that come up again and again and YURLs are a useful embodiment of one of them - it seems a shame to lose all that thought.
 

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Tyler Close

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May 31, 2019, 5:16:49 PM5/31/19
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> Anyway, there are various ideas that come up again and again and YURLs are a useful embodiment of one of them - it seems a shame to lose all that thought.

At the time I produced that content, I thought there was still a
chance of swapping out the underlying security model of the Web. I
think we're past that point now. So the details of the work aren't
useful anymore. The fundamental concepts are are still powerful, but
will have to find life in some other form. I also have a lot of
nostalgia for these dead bits, but the Web doesn't provide for a final
resting place. Another thing that needs fixing.

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Mark S. Miller

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May 31, 2019, 5:40:59 PM5/31/19
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On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 12:12 PM Dan Connolly <dc...@madmode.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:23 AM Mark S. Miller <eri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:55 AM Dan Connolly <dc...@madmode.com> wrote:

Hi Dan,
I've never heard of sedo.com . Is this legit? How did you find out it is there?

I searched for "whois" and picked http://whois.domaintools.com/ because I got a positive impression of them previously somehow...
domaintools referred me to sedo. This is the first I have heard of sedo too.
 
What about waterken.com and waterken.org ?


http://whois.domaintools.com/waterken.org says "This domain is listed for sale at one of our partner sites for $31." The partner in this case seems to be afternic. Don't know them well.

I'm happy to try purchasing that as well. However, when I click on the domaintools link it takes me to a block afternic page. Could someone here please buy this asap and then sell it to me? Thanks.

 

In any case, I just spent $99 through paypal to allegedly buy waterken.net from sedo.com . Hope this goes well!

Yeah; here's hoping.


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Mark S. Miller

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May 31, 2019, 5:44:44 PM5/31/19
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PLEASE if anyone is about to let another one domain with content I may care about expire, or if you see that someone is offering to sell one back, PLEASE let me know. Thanks.

The one I am most eager to get: What is the status of eros-os.org ? This is by far the greatest source of broken links from other sites.


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William ML Leslie

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May 31, 2019, 9:42:12 PM5/31/19
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On Sat., 1 Jun. 2019, 7:44 am Mark S. Miller, <eri...@gmail.com> wrote:
The one I am most eager to get: What is the status of eros-os.org ? This is by far the greatest source of broken links from other sites.

AFAICT; eros-os, bitc-lang, and coyotos.org all disappeared at the same time - i figured the server behind them disappeared. Around that time i tried to contact Shap to see if i can host them on cloudflare or GAE but he was so busy IRL i never heard back.

What state are the domains in? No idea. If i had the forthought to take a wget mirror of these i'd put them online elsewhere.

Bakul Shah

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May 31, 2019, 11:50:37 PM5/31/19
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Not quite what was asked but the contents of eros-os.org, coyotos.org and bitc-lang.org seem to be archived @ archive.org.

William ML Leslie

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Jun 1, 2019, 2:08:00 AM6/1/19
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On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 13:50, Bakul Shah <ba...@bitblocks.com> wrote:
Not quite what was asked but the contents of eros-os.org, coyotos.org and bitc-lang.org seem to be archived @ archive.org.


Well spotted, thanks! (:

Notably, the research papers have been preserved; these I could not find on the CapROS website.  I think there is particular value in being able to point people at the EWS paper.

 

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Ben Laurie

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Jun 1, 2019, 7:10:26 AM6/1/19
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Since people were asking about Sedo I thought this might be of interest: https://twitter.com/FiloSottile/status/1134774758715875329.

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