Since MarkM asked about vibe coding

[Alan Karp]

https://marcobenedetti.substack.com/p/vibe-coding-as-a-coding-veteran

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Alan Karp

[Ken Kahn]

Thanks. Insightful and well-written. For those too busy to read it I liked these statements:

• After a while, you discover how to have "good conversations" with these machines. Surprisingly, the ingredients are the same as when talking to humans: be(come) a good listener and be(come) good at asking the right questions.
• Out of roughly 300 exchanges we had about the code, approximately 20% were spent iterating on unsatisfactory code introduced by the AI or fixing issues/errors introduced by the AI (the rest of it was blissful and constructive human/machine interaction).
• Most of the AI-generated code will be sweet and nearly perfect, while the remaining part will be capable of derailing your project vision and soundness in subtle, hard-to-detect ways.

Best,

-ken

On Fri, 29 Aug 2025 at 16:14, Alan Karp <alan...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://marcobenedetti.substack.com/p/vibe-coding-as-a-coding-veteran

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Alan Karp

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[Dale Schumacher]

The biggest take-away for me was that you have to have significant skill and experience to even notice the subtle ways in which the AI code is wrong.

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[Ken Kahn]

Yes, but not if you are a student or hobbyist making a game or simulation. If the web app doesn't do what you want then tell it - no need to read the code or even know anything about coding.

Best,

-ken

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[Alan Karp]

On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 9:09 AM Dale Schumacher <dale.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

The biggest take-away for me was that you have to have significant skill and experience to even notice the subtle ways in which the AI code is wrong.

I have found that I need significant skill and experience to even notice the subtle ways in which Alan's code is wrong.

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Alan Karp