Parallel fifths

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Dan Thoma

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Apr 2, 2026, 2:14:47 PMApr 2
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Greetings,

As I understand it, parallel fifths are verboten in "regular" rules of composition but permissible in Sacred Harp. Off the top of my head, I could only think of two songs where I was aware of parallel fifths: 159 Wondrous Love and 454 The Better Land. In Wondrous Love, they appear in measures 6 and 7 between the basses and the tenors, sound weird and wonderful, and AFAIK this really sets the Sacred Harp setting of this tune apart from other settings. In The Better Land, they appear at the beginning of the fuging section between the basses and the trebles, although the second note (E flat and A) isn't a perfect fifth.

Upon a quick perusal, I also identified 324 North Port, with the basses and trebles going at it in the first two measures of each brace. In 275 Loving-Kindness, the first three notes of the basses parallel the altos and the trebles. Three notes seems kinda trivial. 

A bunch of questions arise. Why are parallel fifths verboten in "regular" composition? Why aren't they in Sacred Harp? Is there a minimum threshold for a sequence to be meaningfully considered parallel fifths? Would power chords by a rock guitarist count? Have you used or stumbled into parallel fifths in your own compositions? Are there other clear examples in the Sacred Harp that I've missed?

Thanks in advance for all your thoughts & wisdom!

Sincerely,
Dan Thoma

Penny Anderson

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Apr 2, 2026, 2:42:11 PMApr 2
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The usual account is that parallel fifths, like, parallel octaves, are forbidden in common-practice harmony because an important goal is to create independent voices. 

I'll let the really knowledgeable people expand on that if necessary.

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Penny

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Leah Velleman

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Apr 2, 2026, 2:52:19 PMApr 2
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In "regular" composition, just two fifths in a row between the same two voices are enough to count. By this standard, there are a lot in the Sacred Harp — not just the long dramatic series of them like in Wondrous Love, but lots of shorter ones that don't even especially stand out to us.

The reasoning I was taught was the same as Penny's: you avoid them because they make the voices less independent. (But on a deeper level, I think the real explanation is, people in that tradition avoided them because they didn't like singing or playing them, and people in our tradition use them because we do like singing them. Style and enjoyment come first, and the logic of terms and rules comes later.)

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Jonathan Een Newton

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Apr 2, 2026, 2:54:55 PMApr 2
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Parallel fifths were definitely common in the medieval era with organum. However, as music became more polyphonic the importance of part independence came into vogue. Music keeps gradually shifting until you have more and more advanced counterpoint which is where we get the theoretical rule of avoiding parallel fifths. At least that's what I remember from music school and theory ha. Of course composers like Debussy then go back to using them in the late 19th century. So it's really not a hard and fast rule, just a taste related to contrapuntal music, which of course overlaps with much shape note composition. The more folk leaning songs like Wondrous Love work well with the sound. You could say it's key to that style. Obviously many folk traditions never lost the sound of parallel fifths or drones. I find them very satisfying to sing since the fifth is such a stable interval. This all makes me wonder if there are any examples of "false relations" in shape note. One of the weirder sounds in otherwise very high Renaissance polyphony.

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Wade Kotter

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Apr 2, 2026, 2:58:25 PMApr 2
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Dan, I strongly recommend that you post this query on the Fasola Discussions list, This Songwriters list has been inactive for many years and I know there are experts on the Discussions list, such as Warren Steel, who are not on this list but have experience both in the "shape-note" harmonic tradition and common practice harmony, where you are correct that parallel fifths are strongly discouraged (although they can be found, even in the music of the great masters). They are also found in folk music from throughout the world, as well as in rock and jazz. I don't have time to go through each song, but I believe parallel fifths are much more common in the Sacred Harp (and other shape-note tune books such as The Southern Harmony) than the examples you mention. They are not always easy to identify.

Wade

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Robert Vaughn

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Apr 2, 2026, 3:11:28 PMApr 2
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Dan, 

I cannot think of any more tunes at the moment, but I would suspect we would find them in some of the songs of William Billings -- who was not much of a proponent of following rules. (“Perhaps it may be expected that I should say something concerning Rules of Composition; to those I answer that Nature is the best dictator, for not all the hard, dry, studied rules that ever was prescribed, will not enable any person to form an air...It must be Nature...For my own Part, as I don’t think myself confined to any Rules of Composition, laid down by any that went before me, neither should I think (were I to pretend to lay down Rules) that any one who came after me were in any ways obligated to adhere to them, any further than they should think proper; so in fact I think it best for every Composer to be his own Carver.”)

My not-at-all-expert opinion is that these are verboten in certain styles because those who had the power to make or enforce the rules simply did not like them.

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R. C. Webber

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Apr 2, 2026, 3:30:23 PMApr 2
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I recall an exchange with Nikos on the songwriters list several years ago.  I contrasted the avoidance of parallel 4ths/5ths in the classical medium with the more permissive attitude in various folk traditions (including the folk influences on fasola).  I based my observations primarily on Davisson's rudiments.  Nikos responded with a reference to Billings' rudiments.  If I recall accurately, Billings was OK with parallel 5ths but didn't think much of parallel 4ths.  I guess there is no unanimity of practice.

In my own compositions, I don't go out of my way to create parallel 4ths/5ths.  When I do include them inadvertently, I look for ways to modify the score out of habit since I was trained primarily in Baroque organ styles.

An octave is technically both a perfect interval and a functional equivalent of the unison, which is consonant by definition.  How would you treat parallel octaves in comparison with the way you would treat parallel 4ths/5ths?

Randy

Nikos Pappas

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Apr 2, 2026, 4:17:18 PMApr 2
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Hello all. As Randy brought my name up about an earlier exchange, I thought I would copy and paste the relevant parts of it that relate to parallel fifths and other forbidden practices. The use of parallels (termed consecutions in the historical sources) was practiced in a similar way as the contrast of consonance with dissonance and was related to the practice of harmonization and the relationship of voices to each other in a tune. Here is the relevant part of the exchange:

From 2016
I wanted to have some time to put together some thoughts on dissonances in shape-note pieces and to maybe steer you towards exploring dissonance. Also, it really depends on what you consider to be a dissonance. A lot of the dissonances in shape-note tunes are coincidental resulting from the independence of the harmonized parts to each other.

It all depends on your definition of what makes a dissonance. Some people like to take the dyad vs. triad approach as outlined by music scholars beginning with Seeger in the 1940s. This approach is based on observation of what happens in the music and attempts to systematize it using analytical approaches derived from that of classical theory.

 

I will not say that I am more correct than these scholars; however, I have a different approach to understanding harmony in shape-note music. My approach takes the system as outlined by the musicians themselves in the rudiments and works with their understandings. I’m attempting to not impose my “system” on it, but rather to understand how they viewed and understood music and harmony.

 

For me there are a few general precepts to this music.

 

1.     The idea of concord vs. discord.

a)    There are two types of concords, perfect and imperfect.

b)   Perfect concords are the unison, octave, and the perfect fifth.

c)    Imperfect concords are thirds and sixths. Dissonances then are seconds, sevenths, fourths, and (though unnamed occur in the music) the tritone.

d)   A fourth below the melody is allowable at important cadential points because it will sound the perfect fifth against the bass.

e)    What we term as second inversion chords are what shape-note musicians termed the “greater fourth” and are allowed on strong beats.

2.     The concept of resolution

a.     Writers in the rudiments talk about what is in essence a concept of tension and release whereby for each dissonance occurring in a tune there has to be a resolution of sorts. The metaphor they use is that of a vinegar (discord) and a sweet (concord). You always have to add sugar to counteract the bitterness of the vinegar. English psalmodist John Arnold explained in The Compleat Psalmodist (1753): “Discords, when duly taken, render the Concords more sweet and delightful; which are admitted into Music two several Ways; viz. by Pass [meaning passing tones] and by Way of Binding [that is suspensions and neighbor tones].” Baptist Caleb Ashworth in his 1753 Collection found that “discords are sometimes admitted into composition for the sake of variety, to be an echo to the sends when the sentiment is harsh, and to make the following concords the more pleasing to the ear.”

b.     This concept also extends to the resolution of imperfect to perfect concords. It explains why the final sonority of a tune in its original setting does not have an imperfect third, but only an open perfect unison, octave, and fifth. Later writers in the early 20th century in providing alto lines occasionally introduce an imperfect third when the original setting only had perfect concords. There are of course exceptions. Ashworth also stated that “a discord should commonly lead to an imperfect, rather than a perfect concord; (for instance, a seventh to a sixth, and a fourth to a third, rather than an eighth, or fifth) and to the next, and not a remote concord.”

3.      The concept of parallels

a.     Unlike standard classical theory parallel fifths and octaves are allowed and even prescribed by writers. Parallels were termed “consecutions” in the literature and described by William Tansur in Book III of A New Musical Grammar, and Dictionary (London, 1756). He wrote: “in the Composition of Three, or more Parts, that you do not make a Consecution of two, or more Perfects of one Kind together, from the Bass, unless it be covered by a Higher Part, which often happens when the Tenor makes a 5th or 8th [octave], (being then the Highest-Part), and makes a Consecution of the same Kind, either ascending or descending: To prevent such like Passages great Care ought to be taken.”

b.     However, when more parts are added, Tansur was more lenient and equated them with the use of dissonance: “neither two Fifths, nor two Eighths may not move together in Four Parts, especially between the Tenor and Bass: But it may be allowable in the Contra [alto], if it be covered by a Higher Part. – Discords, and Disallowances are easier tolerated in Four Parts, than in Two or Three; by Reason their several Parts will screen many small Disallowances.” Arnold also echoed this sentiment: "two Fifths, or two Eighths, may be taken together in four Parts, rather than spoil the Air of the Tunes; but let it be between one of the upper Parts and the Bass, by Reason of the Tenor’s being between the upper Parts and the Bass, it will be easier tolerated.”

c.      American musicians took these principles to heart but over the course of the nineteenth century, allowed more chains of parallels/ consecutions before resolving them to other intervals.

4.     Most musicians did not differentiate octave transpositions between treble, alto, and tenor parts. Although they understood that men and women sung in different octaves, the musical pitches on the staff rarely reflect this difference. As a result, these parts are seen as being in the same octave for the purpose of harmonization.

5.     Psalmodists took two general approaches to adding harmony parts. All used the same general procedure of writing the tune first, then adding the bass, then the treble, and finally the alto. However, there were two big differences:

a.     Make sure that all of the harmony parts agree with each other

b.     Allow for general agreement at important cadential places, but allow greater independence among the voices based upon their relationship to the cantus or melody (that is the tenor)

c.      This is where we get into the thorny nature of what actually is a dissonance. Dissonances can be created coincidentally by consonances in the relationship of one harmonized voice to the tenor against another harmonized voice.

 

Let me give you some examples in The Sacred Harp as a way to look at dissonance, consonance, and consecutions.

 

Amsterdam (84) is a good illustration of consonance and dissonance (as passing tones), along with the use of consecutions that follow the rules above. The harmonized voices not only agree with the tenor/cantus but the other harmonized voices as well. Pieces by Billings and many by Read take the same general approach. I’m going to ignore the Mason/Bradbury/Hastings tunes in the book and instead focus on examples by 18th-century psalmodists and 19th-century shape-note settings.

 

Clamanda (42) – m. 5-6 “way to Canaan’s land.” Let’s break down this measure. First I’ll look at the relationship of the parts to the cantus. Then I’ll compare them together.

1.     Tenor and Bass: This measure begins with a perfect fifth that continues as a consecution to the next sonority with a passing (pass) dissonant fourth in the tenor (la-sol). This dissonance is then treated to a consecution for the next two sonorities until it is resolved to an octave in measure six.

2.     Tenor and alto: this measure begins with a perfect consonant octave, followed by an imperfect consonant sixth with a passing perfect fifth to establish a dissonant fourth before being resolved to a unison la on the last beat of the measure.

3.     Tenor and treble: begin with a perfect fifth followed by the passing dissonant fourth in the treble that is resolved to the unison in the next beat. This is in turn followed by a passing imperfect consonant third before resolving to a fifth. Now there is a consecution of the fifth that continues into the final beat followed by a lower neighbor (binding) dissonant fourth that resolves to a perfect fifth.

4.     The person who set this tune followed standard procedures within the idiom and never introduced more than two consecutions before resolving to other concords. Likewise, the use of dissonance follows standard procedure. However, they did not conceive the harmonized lines together, but rather maintained their independence to each other. As a result, beat two features the coincidental dissonance of the la in the bass against the sol in the alto even though the alto-tenor is an imperfect consonant sixth, and the bass is a perfect consonant fifth.


I discussed a few other tunes, but these related more to dissonance rather than consecutions. Hope this helps.

N. Pappas, Rdfld, ME


Dan Thoma

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Apr 2, 2026, 9:28:47 PMApr 2
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An enthusiastic thank you to all who have replied so far. These are exactly the kinds of things I was hoping to learn. 

@Nikos--it will take me some time to digest these notes. I look forward especially to digging into Clamanda.
@Randy--re: parallel octaves, I lack expertise but I think of parallel octaves as unison. One of my favorite instances is 34t The Gospel Pool, where all parts join in the la-sol-fa in measure 7. 
@Wade, thanks for recommending the discussions list. I may cross-post this there. I'm pleased to have gotten responses on this list--I have valued previous discussions on this list.
@Robert, yes I think it does boil down to taste.
@Jonathan, I hadn't heard of "false relations" before. Thanks for bringing that up. There's one in my song 463 Morel where the tenors sing a D and the trebles a C# at the end of the 12th measure. The first time I tried out the song with a small group the treble complained about it. I left it in for spice.
@Leah and @Penny--interesting point about independent voices. Wouldn't the same logic apply to parallel thirds--which AFAIK are sanctioned by the music rules police? And thanks Leah for clarifying that even two in a row counts.

again, I appreciate all the responses.

Sincerely,
Dan
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