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Wade Kotter

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May 2, 2024, 2:07:20 PM5/2/24
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I'd be interested in your observations of the following collection:

https://archive.org/details/societyhymnsorig00bost

There is no indication of a date in the book, but for some reason both Archive.org and Hymnary.org date it to 1790. The content is very interesting but it seems to me that it could be later. It does appear the Manning and Loring were in business in 1790; at least I found a few books printed by "Manning & Loring" that are said to date to 1790.

Thanks to anyone who can shed light on this.

Wade

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Gabriel Kastelle

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Wade --

wow

this Society Hymns is an amazing collection.

page size and proportions and appearance, as well as the nice decorative typographic details feel like they could be latest 1700s as likely or more so than other times.

incredible density of texts with super-popularity unto the present among popular shape-note singing tunes.

which "Society" of Religion??

it is many-denominational, but has an extra Baptist feel to me
(incl. multiple texts made popular in Rippon's [Baptist] Selection first publ. 1787, which suggests something about publication dates for the Society Hymns...); (example: Edmund Jones' text in Soc. Hs. XXIX (29), apparently to match its use in the tune FAIRFIELD, 29t in the '91 Denson Sacred Harp, as well as in NEVER PART, '91 SH pp. 94-5!)

lotta Cowper and Newton texts stand out, first published in Newton's 1779 collection...  ...1779 to 1790 is rather quick re-publication turn-around time in those days...

also some earlier John Cennick and Robert Robinson texts, with some texts so popular still as to have Four tunes each in Denson '91 Sacred Harp (say Cennick "Jesus, my all, to Heav'n is gone", Soc. Hs. XXXI (31); and Robinson Soc. Hs. XLIII (43) "Come, thou fount of ev'ry blessing" (!) ).
I like the '91 Denson four-tune-grand-slam text from Dr. Watts in Society Hymns no XXXII (32) "Am I soldier of the Cross" for its NOT having come his Psalms paraphrases (1719) nor his earlier Hymns and Spiritual Songs (1707?), but from his later 1724 Sermons,
especially for this detail:  The sermon he wrote this hymn for was about the text of I Cor. 16:13, which in fact is the epigraph scripture under the title in the '91 Denson edition tune CHRISTIAN SOLDIER, p. 57, vis a vis discussions of these details ;-), that is:
"Watch ye, stand fast in the faith, quit you like men, be strong."   Good words.  I appreciate having them on the page.

then, shrewd note inside back cover comments on John Leland's (Baptist) text -- Soc. Hymns no. XXXIX (39), pp. 40-1:
"The day is past and gone" (cf. SH '91 209 EVENING SHADE) with comment that this is likely latest text in collection (I agree with that assessment in quick first skim with some lookups)-- but interestingly the traditional attribution year of 1792 given in that note and in Denson '91 has been upped by two years in Steel and Hulan's Makers of the Sacred Harp, where pp. 59-60 describe publication by Broaddus brothers of Virginia in 1790 of a Collection of Sacred Ballads including this text of Leland...  More on pp. 61-2 about Goddard the compiler and his addition of attributions, incl. Leland attributions... 

1790 is possible, barely.  from Virginia to Boston within months is a little bit against the current... 

seems pushing it a bit... 

but those physical publishing details described earlier don't let me think it much later...

1790s, 1800s, sure, but 1810s even I would hardly believe-- I'm not giving any good evidences, but just my feeling...
I've handled some of these old book originals from these decades in various collections-- this is an informed gut feeling I give, along with the other suggestive content details.

Really interesting collection, thanks Wade!
I'm still blown away by the "batting average", so to speak, of how many of the texts in that modest collection are really excellent and/or supremely popular even still today.

It would be good to know more about this collection "Society Hymns" and who might have had and used copies of it!!
Feels truly important and influential... 

My few cents worth...

LA!

-- A. Gabriel Kastelle --
Kalapuya Ilihi -- unceded homeland of Kalapuyan peoples -- a.k.a. Eugene, OR


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Wade Kotter

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Thanks, Gabriel. One of the things that led me to this collection is Hymn 37, "That glorious day is drawing nigh" (Millennium). This text is, I believe, most often traced back to 1801 in both of Richard Allen's collections from that year and in the 1801 "Baltimore Collection." I'm going to try looking for advertisements for Society Hymns in  Massachusetts newspapers around that time. This collection comes from the (Louis F.) Benson Collection of Hymnals and Hymnology at the Princeton Theological Seminary and I suspect that the note inside the back cover is by Benson. I've seen similar notes in other hymnals in the Benson Collection. Princeton Theological Seminary deserves may kudos for digitizing the books in Benson's collection and making them freely available on the web.

https://commons.ptsem.edu/id/societyhymnsorig00bost

Fulton, Erin

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Addresses, of course! All the eighteenth-century city directories to which I have access, as well as the 1800 one, list Manning & Loring on Spring Lane. AAS doesn't have 1801-2, but in 1803 they show up at 2 Cornhill.


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E. Fulton.

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No luck yet with advertisements and I'm not holding out much hope. However, Chris Brown pointed out off-list that three of the texts in Society Hymns are attributed in later sources to Oliver Holden:

Hymn V: "With conscious guilt and bleeding heart"
Hymn XI: "While journeying through this humble vale"
Hymn X1V: "How sweet is the language of love"

All three of these are found in Holden's The Young Convert's Companion from 1806:


 According to Music & Richardson in I Will Sing the Wondrous Story, at least 19 of the 144 texts in this collection are attributed to "H.", which presumably is a reference to Oliver Holden. So if we can see that these three texts were attributed to "H." in The Young Convert's Companion, it would go a long way towards answering my original question. Unfortunately, my copy of The Young Convert's Companion is "in storage" right now and it would take a while for me to "dig" it out. Does anyone own a copy of The Young Convert's Companion who could check if these texts have the "H." attribution (I don't find a scan online)? Of course, even if Holden does claim them, this doesn't necessarily mean that Society Hymns must date to 1806 or later since Holden could have written and circulated them in other ways prior to 1806. It may also be of interest that The Boston Collection from 1808 was also published by Manning and Loring, but the publication information is somewhat different:

Society Hymns https://archive.org/details/societyhymnsorig00bost/page/n1/mode/2up "Printed and Sold by Manning & Loring, No. 2, Cornhill, Boston"
The Boston Collection https://archive.org/details/bostoncollecti00bost/page/n1/mode/2up "Boston: Published by Manning and Loring, No. 8, Cornhill, 1808"

This may not mean anything, but the earliest books I could find by Manning & Loring that predate 1808, when Holden's collection was published, have publication information that more closely matches that of Society Hymns than that of The Boston Collection. The decorative nature of the tile page of Society Hymns is, from my experience, more typical of the 1790s than the 1810s. The lack of a publication date for Society Hymns also seems more typical of the 1790s, It would be interesting to see when Manning and Loring were in business at No. 2 Cornhill and when they were at No. 8 Cornhill. I should add that The Boston Collection does include two texts to Holden, but they are different from the three possible Holden texts in Society Hymns. 

Wade

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On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 04:31:07 PM MDT, Fulton, Erin <erinf...@uky.edu> wrote:


I already tried to search for adverts for this songster, which I had indexed for my dissertation, without any luck a few years ago. (With access to different databases and the contents of those databases changing, though, I'd be very interested to know if you find anything "new," Wade.) What I did turn up were adverts for this similarly titled collection published in NYC in 1797. The subtitle of the latter book gives a more vivid sense of the context of use: "intended to assist the devotion of private societies among Christians for prayer, praise, and conversation." In other words, we're in the world of non-church-affiliated devotional societies, what would come to be called "conference meetings" a couple of decades later. Shelby M. Balik writes about the role of groups like these in organizing religious life in Upper New England at the turn of the nineteenth century in her Rally the Scattered Believers.

Gabriel, your instinct was correct: besides the strong overlap in text with RI Baptist collections, Manning and Loring were the friendliest MA publisher towards Baptists in this era. They published many of Isaac Backus's works.

My personal interest in this volume, besides my trying to get overall decent coverage of pre-1840s social worship texts published in New England, is the "evangelical and experimental" formulation. The same phrase crops back up, of all places, in Mason's Chapel Hymns in 1842. I'm always attentive to discussion of experimental religion from around this time, when it had become a rather old-fashioned phrase. Leonidas Rosser wrote a very interesting treatise from the Methodist perspective in the early '50s.


Best,

E. Fulton.






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Thanks, Gabriel. One of the things that led me to this collection is Hymn 37, "That glorious day is drawing nigh" (Millennium). This text is, I believe, most often traced back to 1801 in both of Richard Allen's collections from that year and in the 1801 "Baltimore Collection." I'm going to try looking for advertisements for Society Hymns in  Massachusetts newspapers around that time. This collection comes from the (Louis F.) Benson Collection of Hymnals and Hymnology at the Princeton Theological Seminary and I suspect that the note inside the back cover is by Benson. I've seen similar notes in other hymnals in the Benson Collection. Princeton Theological Seminary deserves may kudos for digitizing the books in Benson's collection and making them freely available on the web.


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> There is no indication of a date in the book, but for some reason both Archive.org and Hymnary.org date it to 1790. The content is very interesting but it seems to me that it could be later. It does appear the Manning and Loring were in business in 1790; at least I found a few books printed by "Manning & Loring" that are said to date to 1790.
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Fulton, Erin

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Well, until somebody digs up a copy of the 1801 or 1802 Boston directories, there's some fuzziness around those years. But I certainly feel better about the dating than when I first indexed this book! Dissertation footnote amended ( ;


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That seals it; Society Hymns dates to no earlier than 1803. Thanks, Erin!

Wade

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Fulton, Erin

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I already tried to search for adverts for this songster, which I had indexed for my dissertation, without any luck a few years ago. (With access to different databases and the contents of those databases changing, though, I'd be very interested to know if you find anything "new," Wade.) What I did turn up were adverts for this similarly titled collection published in NYC in 1797. The subtitle of the latter book gives a more vivid sense of the context of use: "intended to assist the devotion of private societies among Christians for prayer, praise, and conversation." In other words, we're in the world of non-church-affiliated devotional societies, what would come to be called "conference meetings" a couple of decades later. Shelby M. Balik writes about the role of groups like these in organizing religious life in Upper New England at the turn of the nineteenth century in her Rally the Scattered Believers.

Gabriel, your instinct was correct: besides the strong overlap in text with RI Baptist collections, Manning and Loring were the friendliest MA publisher towards Baptists in this era. They published many of Isaac Backus's works.

My personal interest in this volume, besides my trying to get overall decent coverage of pre-1840s social worship texts published in New England, is the "evangelical and experimental" formulation. The same phrase crops back up, of all places, in Mason's Chapel Hymns in 1842. I'm always attentive to discussion of experimental religion from around this time, when it had become a rather old-fashioned phrase. Leonidas Rosser wrote a very interesting treatise from the Methodist perspective in the early '50s.


Best,

E. Fulton.






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Thanks, Gabriel. One of the things that led me to this collection is Hymn 37, "That glorious day is drawing nigh" (Millennium). This text is, I believe, most often traced back to 1801 in both of Richard Allen's collections from that year and in the 1801 "Baltimore Collection." I'm going to try looking for advertisements for Society Hymns in  Massachusetts newspapers around that time. This collection comes from the (Louis F.) Benson Collection of Hymnals and Hymnology at the Princeton Theological Seminary and I suspect that the note inside the back cover is by Benson. I've seen similar notes in other hymnals in the Benson Collection. Princeton Theological Seminary deserves may kudos for digitizing the books in Benson's collection and making them freely available on the web.


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> There is no indication of a date in the book, but for some reason both Archive.org and Hymnary.org date it to 1790. The content is very interesting but it seems to me that it could be later. It does appear the Manning and Loring were in business in 1790; at least I found a few books printed by "Manning & Loring" that are said to date to 1790.
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Wade Kotter

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No luck yet with advertisements and I'm not holding out much hope. However, Chris Brown pointed out off-list that three of the texts in Society Hymns are attributed in later sources to Oliver Holden:

Hymn V: "With conscious guilt and bleeding heart"
Hymn XI: "While journeying through this humble vale"
Hymn X1V: "How sweet is the language of love"

All three of these are found in Holden's The Young Convert's Companion from 1806:


 According to Music & Richardson in I Will Sing the Wondrous Story, at least 19 of the 144 texts in this collection are attributed to "H.", which presumably is a reference to Oliver Holden. So if we can see that these three texts were attributed to "H." in The Young Convert's Companion, it would go a long way towards answering my original question. Unfortunately, my copy of The Young Convert's Companion is "in storage" right now and it would take a while for me to "dig" it out. Does anyone own a copy of The Young Convert's Companion who could check if these texts have the "H." attribution (I don't find a scan online)? Of course, even if Holden does claim them, this doesn't necessarily mean that Society Hymns must date to 1806 or later since Holden could have written and circulated them in other ways prior to 1806. It may also be of interest that The Boston Collection from 1808 was also published by Manning and Loring, but the publication information is somewhat different:

Society Hymns https://archive.org/details/societyhymnsorig00bost/page/n1/mode/2up "Printed and Sold by Manning & Loring, No. 2, Cornhill, Boston"
The Boston Collection https://archive.org/details/bostoncollecti00bost/page/n1/mode/2up "Boston: Published by Manning and Loring, No. 8, Cornhill, 1808"

This may not mean anything, but the earliest books I could find by Manning & Loring that predate 1808, when Holden's collection was published, have publication information that more closely matches that of Society Hymns than that of The Boston Collection. The decorative nature of the tile page of Society Hymns is, from my experience, more typical of the 1790s than the 1810s. The lack of a publication date for Society Hymns also seems more typical of the 1790s, It would be interesting to see when Manning and Loring were in business at No. 2 Cornhill and when they were at No. 8 Cornhill. I should add that The Boston Collection does include two texts to Holden, but they are different from the three possible Holden texts in Society Hymns. 

Wade

Wade Kotter
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On Thursday, May 2, 2024 at 04:31:07 PM MDT, Fulton, Erin <erinf...@uky.edu> wrote:


Wade Kotter

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That seals it; Society Hymns dates to no earlier than 1803. Thanks, Erin!

Wade

Wade Kotter
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Wade Kotter

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Yes, of course. I'll see if I can find any books they published dated 1801 or 1802 and check the addresses.

Wade

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Barry Johnston

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Wade,
I did find all three of the hymns you asked about in Ed. 1 of The Young Convert's Companion, Hymns 99, 102, and 104 on pp. 90, 93, and 94. All attributed to "H." in the index. Electronic copy courtesy of Hymnology Archive.

Barry Johnston

Wade Kotter

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Thanks, Barry. I missed that link on the Hymnology Archive page. For those who want to go directly to PDF of this collection, here's a link:

https://www.hymnologyarchive.com/s/1806-YoungConvertsCompanion.pdf

The author attributions are in the index.

Wade

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Antonio James Higgins

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I encountered this apart from this thread, but this is what John Julian says in his dictionary:

It is thought that he edited a small hymn-book, published at Boston before 1808, in which are 21 of his hymns with the signature "H." A single copy only of this book is known, and that is without title-page. 

Also, this may date this early than 1803, as this may be the first instance of "Attend ye saints, and hear me tell." Holden's own tune for that was published in 1803 in The Charlestown Collection. Hymnary says this dates to 1790, but I am unsure of where they arrived to that.

Blessings,
A. J. Higgins

Wade Kotter

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Here's Holden's tune NEW-UNION (NEW UNION in the index) printed with "Attend, ye saints & hear me tell" in The Charlestown Collection of Sacred Songs from 1803:

https://archive.org/details/charlestowncolle1803hold/page/39/mode/1up

In the index, it is listed with an *, which indicates "never before published." It only includes one verse:

Attend, ye saints, & hear me tell,
The wonders of Immanuel,
Who sav'd me from a burning hell,
And brought my soul with him to dwell,
And prize this blessed union.

This is slightly different from verse 1 in Society Hymns:

Attend, ye saints, and hear me tell
The wonders of Immanuel,
Who sav'd me from a burning hell,
And brought my soul with him to dwell,
And feel a blessed union.

I can't find any other printing that has "And prize this blessed union" instead of "And feel this blessed union," including this undated broadside:

https://collections.americanantiquarian.org/thomasballads/items/show/246

Note the following from the discussion of this undated broadside which is though to date between 1810 and 1814l

"The hymn was printed in the Vermont Gazette on March 20, 1804, and the contributor suggested that the text, although it “is not the most elegant in stile, it is esteemed to be far from despicable, and [is] . . . sung in various religious circles.”

According to Temperley, it also appeared the same year in the 8th ed. of Holden's Laus Deo! The Worcester Collection of Sacred Harmony, but I haven't been able to locate a scan.

Finally, I suspect the 1790 date for Society Hymns at Hymnary.org came from the date in the metadata for the copy at archive.org or from the metadata for this book in the Benson Hymnal Collection at Princeton:

https://commons.ptsem.edu/id/societyhymnsorig00bost?keywords=society%20hymns

Finally, Holyoke published a tune for this text, also named NEW UNION, in his 1804 The Christian Harmonist:

https://archive.org/details/christianharmoni00holy_0/page/188/mode/1up

His text has "And feel a blessed union." In his "Index of Tunes," he indicates that this tune was "not before published."

Wade

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Richard Hulan

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I may not have the time or patience to do a deep dive into this stuff, yet again... but, for starters, a couple of you (including Wade) may even now, 55 years later, have some printed, microfilmed or digital version of my MA thesis (Vanderbilt, 1971).  If you don't, you are excused.  If you do, pp. 73-87 are about this text, and its many forms -- one of which (not Holden's) got printed in hymn books of both the Campbell and the Stone wings of the "Restoration Movement" (mainly, that's the Christian Church/Disciples of Christ, and the Church of Christ).  The NEW UNION lyric's roots are in the "Christian Connexion," as already reported here in re Elias Smith and Abner Jones.  Some churches and pastors of that New England bunch were in fellowship with Barton W. Stone's New Light Christians, in the west [but not, twenty years later, with Alexander Campbell's (wherever he could wedge himself in -- mostly with Baptists -- and out-argue their preachers; because he was Scottish, and had been taught from birth through college (Edinburgh) to argue religion until one's opponent fell asleep, or died]; and also were comfortable with the O'Kellyite or Republican Methodist wing of that loose confederation.  Most of the Christian Connexion, though, (sub)merged instead with the Congregationalists (in 1939, IIRC), and that "Congregational Christian" merger is but a tiny fraction of today's United Church of Christ.  

But, where was I?  Oh yeah, the NEW UNION text.  I think an 1803 imprint of Elias Smith's songster (the known copy of which, at the American Antiquarian Society, is dated 1804, and is tightly but incorrectly bound with an 1804 one compiled by Abner Jones) has appeared on eBay, but was snapped up before I heard about it.  So I can't swear the Union hymn is in it, but I expect so.  One of the paraphrases in the ongoing Smith & Jones oeuvre says, "More than ten years have passed away, Since I did testify and say, Aside all party names I'd lay, and join in heavenly union."  Or words to that effect.  In 1971, I thought that that suggested the author was Rice Haggard (an early convert to James O'Kelly's version of Methodist undiscipline); but I did hedge that bet, in footnote 22 of my thesis.  Sure enough, I late acquired Haggard's own hymnbook, a pretty rare Kentucky imprint of 1818 -- and this text isn't in it; so probably it's not his.  Another person who could honestly say, in 1804, that he'd been preaching for more than ten years against rigid denominationalism, and in favor of what we now call ecumenical fellowship, was -- tadaaa -- Elias Smith, himself.  And a couple of his loosely Baptist-like, fellow itinerant Yankee preachers.  At least as early as 1792, per some Baptist histories of the region; but IDK when or where Holden heard them, or picked up a broadside of this thing.

I can also testify and say that sometime in 1975 -- after my 1971 thesis had dealt with this text, but before my (Texas,1978) dissertation did so again -- I actually was invited to fill the pulpit at my (then) church home, Rock Spring Congregational United Church of Christ, in Arlington, VA.  And my sermon topic as printed in the bulletin, and expounded at some length from the said pulpit, was the opening line of verse six of the Union hymn:  "I wonder why old saints don't sing?"  If inquiring minds would like to know, it had to do with the dearth of enthusiastic performance, in our solidly American UCC churches, of that very denomination's ripping good old-saints' hymns (and spiritual songs).  That particular day, my (late) wife and I led a few folk tunes from the Sacred Harp and elsewhere, and got them fired up a little bit.  It didn't really last, but it was kind of fun, stirring up some of them old saints.

Anyway, I'm happy to see the Fasola Discussions gang taking an interest in NEW UNION.

Dick Hulan
BlMtn NC

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Jul 21, 2026, 4:36:32 PM (5 days ago) Jul 21
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Thanks for sharing this, Dick. I'm sorry to say that although I do have a copy of your 1978 dissertation I do not have a copy of your 1971 thesis. I also don't remember seeing an 1803 imprint of Smith's songster on eBay, but I haven't been monitoring it as closely as I did years ago. Perhaps the purchaser of that copy is part of our community.

Wade

Dr. Wade Kotter
Retired Librarian
Independent Hymnologist and Unrestrained Loud Treble
South Ogden, UT
"Make a Joyful Noise Unto the Lord" 

Barry Johnston

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Jul 21, 2026, 6:52:56 PM (5 days ago) Jul 21
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Regarding Millennium in Society Hymns 1790(?), here is a page I made in 2017, probably for a song's lyrics – but I can't remember which one. Hope this helps.
That glorious day is drawing nigh1.jpg
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