PRIMROSE (aka TWENTY-FOURTH) and Amzi Chapin

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Wade Kotter

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Mar 8, 2025, 12:22:13 AM3/8/25
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After many years, I'm returning to the history of this tune for a hymnal project I'm involved in. My understanding that the earliest printing of this tune is in the 1812 pamphlet  A Collection of Tunes published by Andrew Law, where it is named TWENTY-FOURTH and attributed to Lucius Chapin. However, in an 1812 letter to Law, Lucius attributes it to his brother Amzi under the name ORANGE. Does anyone have access to a scan of this tune from the Law pamphlet and a scan of the letter? I'm also interested in opinions on whether Amzi composed the tune or harmonized a "folk tune."

Wade

Dr. Wade Kotter
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Independent Hymnologist and Unrestrained Loud Treble
South Ogden, UT
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Wade Kotter

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Mar 8, 2025, 12:22:18 AM3/8/25
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Well, there goes my memory again. I now remember that an Amzi Chapin manuscript from 1798 includes this tune. I believe it was Nikos who discovered this. If anyone has details for this manuscript, I'd love to hear from you.

Wade

Dr. Wade Kotter
Retired Librarian
Independent Hymnologist and Unrestrained Loud Treble
South Ogden, UT
"Make a Joyful Noise Unto the Lord" 

Barry Johnston

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Mar 9, 2025, 12:51:19 AM3/9/25
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I have not heard anyone explain: "twenty-fourth" __what?___ – perhaps a number in some hymnal. I have not found it yet, but maybe I missed something. Same question for Thirtieth, Ninety-Third, and Ninety-Fifth. None of the words fit those Psalm numbers, as far as I can tell. See https://www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Chapin_brothers.

Barry Johnston
Gunnison, Colorado

David Olson

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Mar 9, 2025, 12:22:54 PM3/9/25
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>None of the words fit those Psalm numbers

I once tried to find Short Meter metrical translations that would fit the SM tunes; but they don't exist.

My guess is that when people were posthumously processing the surviving MSS they assigned "psalm tune numbers"

> "twenty-fourth" __what?___ – perhaps a number in some hymnal

twenty-fourth generic psalm tune, not a tune for Psalm 24. I'm just guessing; a guess arising from the frustration of having spent time trying to find the "intended psalm".

David Olson

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