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William Flynn Wallace
Jul 20, 2021, 11:53:38 AM7/20/21
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Here's part of the answer to the question of whypeople don't get the vaccine:
John Clark
Jul 20, 2021, 4:12:34 PM7/20/21
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On Tue, Jul 20, 2021 at 11:53 AM William Flynn Wallace <fooz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's part of the answer to the question of whypeople don't get the vaccine:
Yet more evidence that they are STUPID.
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Dylan Distasio
Jul 21, 2021, 12:46:29 PM7/21/21
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Here's another reason they have hesitancy...Public health agencies have lost credibility by not actually "following the science." Not a single child in the US under the age of 18 has died of CV-19 without a serious pre-existing condition like leukemia. And yet, the CDC continues to parrot Big Pharma talking points urging for all kids to be vaccinated despite the risk of death for them from CV-19 being essentially ZERO, and the risks of a young person taking a CV-19 vaccine and having serious side effects are not zero.
Johns Hopkins Team: There Are Still Zero COVID Deaths Among Healthy Kids
Rather than acknowledge science, Dr. Makary says the CDC continues to use 'flimsy evidence' to push the COVID vaccine upon children.
Audrey Unverferth
A team of Johns Hopkins researchers recently reported that there have been zero COVID deaths among healthy kids, but the Centers for Disease Control doesn’t care.
Dr. Marty Makary is a medical expert and professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, Bloomberg School of Public Health, and Carey Business School. His research team “worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in health-insurance data from April to August 2020.”
After studying comprehensive data on thousands of children, the team “found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing medical condition such as leukemia.” Rather than acknowledge this scientific reality, Makary says the CDC continues to use “flimsy evidence” to push the COVID vaccine upon children.
As Makary noted in the Wall Street Journal on Monday, the implications of his team’s research are huge. “[If our research] holds, it has significant implications for healthy kids and whether they need two vaccine doses,” Makary says. After all, “The National Education Association has been debating whether to urge schools to require vaccination before returning to school in person. How can they or anyone debate the issue without the right data?”
Makary’s question is obvious, but no less timely. Makary says inflated COVID death counts continue to be corrected and “revised downward.”
But rather than combat institutional distrust with scientific data and discussion, Makary says the CDC is avoiding transparency and rigorous inquiry. He slammed the agency on Monday, saying it “overcounts Covid hospitalizations and deaths and won’t consider if one shot is sufficient.” According to Makary, this problem is systemic.
Makary says “a tremendous number of government and private policies” regarding the vaccination of children are dependent upon one questionable data point. The CDC claims 335 children under the age of 18 have died with a COVID diagnosis in their record. However, Makary reports that, “the CDC, which has 21,000 employees, hasn’t researched each death to find out whether Covid caused it or if it involved a pre-existing medical condition.”
“Without these data, the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices decided in May that the benefits of two-dose vaccination outweigh the risks for all kids 12 to 15,” Makary notes. “I’ve written hundreds of peer-reviewed medical studies, and I can think of no journal editor who would accept the claim that 335 deaths resulted from a virus without data to indicate if the virus was incidental or causal, and without an analysis of relevant risk factors such as obesity.”
According to Makary, the CDC defies medical research norms, by propagating a “flimsy” claim without sufficient research or transparency. And this isn’t an isolated incident. Makary illustrates that it’s part of a pattern.
Rather than acknowledge science, Dr. Makary says the CDC continues to use 'flimsy evidence' to push the COVID vaccine upon children.
Audrey Unverferth
A team of Johns Hopkins researchers recently reported that there have been zero COVID deaths among healthy kids, but the Centers for Disease Control doesn’t care.
Dr. Marty Makary is a medical expert and professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, Bloomberg School of Public Health, and Carey Business School. His research team “worked with the nonprofit FAIR Health to analyze approximately 48,000 children under 18 diagnosed with Covid in health-insurance data from April to August 2020.”
After studying comprehensive data on thousands of children, the team “found a mortality rate of zero among children without a pre-existing medical condition such as leukemia.” Rather than acknowledge this scientific reality, Makary says the CDC continues to use “flimsy evidence” to push the COVID vaccine upon children.
As Makary noted in the Wall Street Journal on Monday, the implications of his team’s research are huge. “[If our research] holds, it has significant implications for healthy kids and whether they need two vaccine doses,” Makary says. After all, “The National Education Association has been debating whether to urge schools to require vaccination before returning to school in person. How can they or anyone debate the issue without the right data?”
Makary’s question is obvious, but no less timely. Makary says inflated COVID death counts continue to be corrected and “revised downward.”
But rather than combat institutional distrust with scientific data and discussion, Makary says the CDC is avoiding transparency and rigorous inquiry. He slammed the agency on Monday, saying it “overcounts Covid hospitalizations and deaths and won’t consider if one shot is sufficient.” According to Makary, this problem is systemic.
Makary says “a tremendous number of government and private policies” regarding the vaccination of children are dependent upon one questionable data point. The CDC claims 335 children under the age of 18 have died with a COVID diagnosis in their record. However, Makary reports that, “the CDC, which has 21,000 employees, hasn’t researched each death to find out whether Covid caused it or if it involved a pre-existing medical condition.”
“Without these data, the CDC Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices decided in May that the benefits of two-dose vaccination outweigh the risks for all kids 12 to 15,” Makary notes. “I’ve written hundreds of peer-reviewed medical studies, and I can think of no journal editor who would accept the claim that 335 deaths resulted from a virus without data to indicate if the virus was incidental or causal, and without an analysis of relevant risk factors such as obesity.”
According to Makary, the CDC defies medical research norms, by propagating a “flimsy” claim without sufficient research or transparency. And this isn’t an isolated incident. Makary illustrates that it’s part of a pattern.
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William Flynn Wallace
Jul 21, 2021, 1:00:22 PM7/21/21
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OK, so here's this: a person who is vaccinated can still get it, right? But the symptoms are much less serious. This is my understanding. If they get it while vaccinated they can pass it on to other people, right? So vaccinated or not they are still a threat to me. Right or wrong? bill w
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John Clark
Jul 21, 2021, 2:44:37 PM7/21/21
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 12:46 PM Dylan Distasio <inte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Here's another reason they have hesitancy...Public health agencies have lost credibility by not actually "following the science." Not a single child in the US under the age of 18 has died of CV-19 without a serious pre-existing condition
First of all, the article you cite is a year old, and of we're talking about a fast moving pandemic like COVID-19 that means it's ancient, and second of all, if you're interested in science then you could do one hell of a lot better than looking at a right wing politically motivated rag like "The Federalist''. You can't find better science reporting on planet earth than at Nature, and this article only came out about a week ago:
Long COVID and kids
We've gotten numbed and hardened from hearing about hundreds of thousands of adults dying from COVID-19, so when vaccine conspiracy nutjobs say "the virus is harmless to children" what they really mean is it's harmless compared to the horror it produces in adults. Imagine if five years ago a mysterious infectious disease sprang up in England that didn't affect adults and only affected children, but it killed 25 kids and hospitalized 6,338, nobody, and I do mean nobody, would be saying it's harmless. And children can certainly become infected with COVID-19 even if they don't show any symptoms and thus give the disease to other people.
By the way Dylan, you're not a kid, have you been vaccinated?
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Dylan Distasio
Jul 21, 2021, 3:01:26 PM7/21/21
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 2:44 PM John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 12:46 PM Dylan Distasio <inte...@gmail.com> wrote:>Here's another reason they have hesitancy...Public health agencies have lost credibility by not actually "following the science." Not a single child in the US under the age of 18 has died of CV-19 without a serious pre-existing conditionFirst of all, the article you cite is a year old
I'm not sure what you're talking about. Both the Federalist piece and the WSJ OpEd by Johns Hopkins researchers referenced are from today. They are not a year old and are current. I suppose you will ignore Johns Hopkins research because it doesn't agree with your narrative.
And children can certainly become infected with COVID-19 even if they don't show any symptoms and thus give the disease to other people.
There is not substantial evidence of younger children easily spreading CV-19 or appreciably impacting community spread , but if you're vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about either way, right? Right?
By the way Dylan, you're not a kid, have you been vaccinated?
My vaccination status is none of your business so I'm not sure why you're asking. It has zero to do with the risk calculation around vaccinating children.
John Clark
Jul 21, 2021, 3:06:37 PM7/21/21
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:01 PM Dylan Distasio <inte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> By the way Dylan, you're not a kid, have you been vaccinated?
> My vaccination status is none of your business
I think you just answered my question, but I understand, if I was unvaccinated I'd be embarrassed to admit it too.
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Dylan Distasio
Jul 21, 2021, 3:21:14 PM7/21/21
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I purposely didn't answer you because I knew this is exactly the response I would get. Your cognitive dissonance has superseded your critical thinking abilities. Filtering everything through a political lens has created a big blind spot for you on multiple topics. I am vaccinated, but unlike you, I'm willing to look at the actual data.
I notice you're ignoring the fact that the link I provided is current and based on Johns Hopkins research regardless of what you think of the "rag" it was reported in.
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John Clark
Jul 21, 2021, 3:36:43 PM7/21/21
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On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 3:21 PM Dylan Distasio <inte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am vaccinated,
I am very glad to hear that! And I mean it, I'd hate to lose a list member.
> I notice you're ignoring the fact that the link I provided is current and based on Johns Hopkins research
The Pandemic moves at hyper velocity speed and the research you're talking about is ancient, it describes how things were between April and August 2020, but today is July 21, 2021. and giant reptiles roam the Earth way way back in August 2020.
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Dylan Distasio
Jul 21, 2021, 3:40:38 PM7/21/21
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Thanks, regardless of virtual dust ups, I harbor no ill will towards you or anyone else on the list, and wish all continued good health.
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