Trump's massive corruption is now the new normal

[John Clark]

Everybody remembers the mindless chants of "lock her up" lead by Trump against his 2016 political opponent, and Trump still wants Hillary Clinton jailed for the crime of challenging him, so it's no surprise he wants his 2020 political opponent Joe Biden jailed too and he wants it done IMMEDIATELY. So now "lock him up" has joined "lock her up" at Trump's virus distribution meetings. Oh I almost forgot, he also wants Barack Obama and Kamala Harris imprisoned.

Yesterday, just two weeks before election day, on Trump-TV (aka Fox News) he said "We’ve got to get the attorney general to act. He’s got to act, and he’s got to act fast. He’s got to appoint somebody. This is major corruption, and this has to be known about before the election." And on Monday at one of his super spreader events Trump spewed out " For the love of GOD ARREST SOMEBODY. I know people that would have had him locked up five weeks ago. Bill Barr is a very nice man and a very fair man. And in many ways, it doesn’t make some of us happy.”

If Trump had done nothing else that was unwise or immoral those statements alone are more incriminating and far more dangerous than anything Nixon said on those infamous Watergate tapes, and those got him kicked out of the presidency, but massive corruption in the executive branch has now become the new normal and so people just shrug off such treasonous behavior as Trump being Trump. Drain the swamp my ass!

John K Clark

[Lawrence Crowell]

t'Rump behaves as if he is a dictator. He is carrying on as if he is trying to become one. On 1/21/21 I think that dream may be quashed. That is unless there is some scheme Bill Barr might hatch that steals the election.

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

Chants of Lock her up are still going on, as of this week, John, simply because madame Clinton, and President Obama were involved in a conspiracy. The question is, is such a conspiracy illegal to do? That is probably going to left for the US Supreme Court to decide. Obama and his chums, Hilly, CIA director Brennan, Comey, and the protection availed themselves of the FISA court (on false grounds) and began a 'Peach' conspiracy, as Represenative Waters, has continulously invoked. As Joe Stalin said at a Party meeting in 1930, "Always accuse the enemy of what you are doing." So bribery is baked in, with your choice for President, or rather, your current preference. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8849687/Hunter-Biden-emails-identify-Joe-Biden-deal-Chinese-energy-firm-report-says.html

The danger (to American continiuity) is that Joe has a fondness for Xi's 'soft power' aka bribery, baksheesh, mordid, to the detriment of the US middle class. I mean, I have trouble tolerating the people who installed and are aiming hypersonic weapons at us, be it Vlad the Impailer, or Chairman Xi. Neither, Bush 43, nor Barack Obama, raced to have the US install these for ourselves. It costs money, and it'd stir up an arms race. For Vlad and Xi, an arms race was no trouble! In this case, John, this is not Biden's villainy, nor Orange Man's, nor Hilly's, nor, Fox News--this is all on these foreign leaders who like the idea of tension, in order to hold control over their respective nation states. Its all on them. 

Last, I would say that the thing democrats consider the third rail, the billionaires that bribe the Democratic Party, as corrupting as the Billionaires that bribe the Republican Party. Yours seem more power hungry, like Zuck, Pichai, Jack Dorsey who claim they censor for made up reasons. There you go, you may continue pretending these are 'good guys' funding BLMTifa. 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 7:42:10 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Chants of Lock her up are still going on, as of this week, John, simply because madame Clinton, and President Obama were involved in a conspiracy. The question is, is such a conspiracy illegal to do? That is probably going to left for the US Supreme Court to decide. Obama and his chums, Hilly, CIA director Brennan, Comey, and the protection availed themselves of the FISA court (on false grounds) and began a 'Peach' conspiracy, as Represenative Waters, has continulously invoked. As Joe Stalin said at a Party meeting in 1930, "Always accuse the enemy of what you are doing." So bribery is baked in, with your choice for President, or rather, your current preference. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8849687/Hunter-Biden-emails-identify-Joe-Biden-deal-Chinese-energy-firm-report-says.html

The danger (to American continiuity) is that Joe has a fondness for Xi's 'soft power' aka bribery, baksheesh, mordid, to the detriment of the US middle class. I mean, I have trouble tolerating the people who installed and are aiming hypersonic weapons at us, be it Vlad the Impailer, or Chairman Xi. Neither, Bush 43, nor Barack Obama, raced to have the US install these for ourselves. It costs money, and it'd stir up an arms race. For Vlad and Xi, an arms race was no trouble! In this case, John, this is not Biden's villainy, nor Orange Man's, nor Hilly's, nor, Fox News--this is all on these foreign leaders who like the idea of tension, in order to hold control over their respective nation states. Its all on them. 

Last, I would say that the thing democrats consider the third rail, the billionaires that bribe the Democratic Party, as corrupting as the Billionaires that bribe the Republican Party. Yours seem more power hungry, like Zuck, Pichai, Jack Dorsey who claim they censor for made up reasons. There you go, you may continue pretending these are 'good guys' funding BLMTifa. 

[John Clark]

Mr.Spudboy, I have never been ashamed of my views therefore never felt the need to use a pseudonym and always gave my real name when I wrote a post, however if my ideas were as disconnected from reality as your QAnon ramblings I'd use a phony name too.

And you never answered my question, if Trump loses the election will you support his use of force to remain in power after January 20, 2021? 

And what the hell is "a Peach conspiracy"? 

  John K Clark

[Lawrence Crowell]

To be honest Spudboy, whoever the hell he is, is simply mentally ill. He has been swept up in the collective hyper-manic group-thought disease of our time. This happens it seems about every century or so and culminates in some sort of catastrophe. I suspect people with a rather weak handle on reasoning and what is reality tend to be most vulnerable to being swept into this sort of social avalanche. Of course that is not exclusive with intelligence, for Pascual Jordan and Oskar Teichmuller got fanatically caught into the Nazi cause. I do though think there is some compromise such people have with their empathic or "theory of the mind" connection with the world. 

It is best I think to simply ignore him at this point.

LC

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]

Following three phrases need elaboration: 1 . American continuity 2 .  mindless chants  3.  the billionaires that bribe the Political Parties.

         America is not the product of mindless chants, Tao, TM, Yoga, mantras, sutras, tantras, occultism, Jungian sorceries, (or psychology & psychiatry, two of the most corrupted disciplines ever since the fraudulent data of Alfred Kinsey-- https://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/03/movies/alfred-kinsey-liberator-or-pervert.html --; https://www.madinamerica.com/2014/12/homosexuality-came-dsm/ by Vivek Datta, MD; MPH); or Stalinist Marxism or Hitlerite Socialism or Mussolini/Antifa Fascism or any other Un-awakened PAGAN consciousness (Greco-Roman or New Age).  Rather, she is the product of the historic and historical “Two Great Awakenings” with the childhood prodigy-- the greatest American thinker (according to British Encyclopedia)-- Jonathan Edwards (founder of Princeton University) as a leader. These “Awakenings”. It is Republic, a ‘Non Sovereign Federation of Sovereign States’ derived from a Regenerated Neo-Platonist 4 -th Century Augustinian, non-pagan consciousness (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine; Augustine was once a profligate Phoenician pagan, but became the chief architect of Western Civilization which had its foundational aspects already laid by the Athenian Mars Hill discourse of Rabbi Saul of Tarsus (Acts Chapter 17), thus having Patriarchal, Prophetic and Apostolic imprimatur.

Billionaires with un-awakened pagan consciousness have indeed hijacked this once great civilization with the willful connivance of pagan political parties, the Deep State & WAMP-the-Ingrate. Only a “Third Great Awakening” can rescue this Civilization from its precipitous downfall.      Note:  WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism).

Best regards

Philip Benjamin                   

 

From: everyth...@googlegroups.com Lawrence Crowell Friday, October 23, 2020 4:36 AM Subject: Re: Trump's massive corruption is now the new normal

 

On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 7:42:10 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Chants of Lock her up are still going on, as of this week, John, simply because madame Clinton, and President Obama were involved in a conspiracy. The question is, is such a conspiracy illegal to do? That is probably going to left for the US Supreme Court to decide. Obama and his chums, Hilly, CIA director Brennan, Comey, and the protection availed themselves of the FISA court (on false grounds) and began a 'Peach' conspiracy, as Represenative Waters, has continulously invoked. As Joe Stalin said at a Party meeting in 1930, "Always accuse the enemy of what you are doing." So bribery is baked in, with your choice for President, or rather, your current preference. 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8849687/Hunter-Biden-emails-identify-Joe-Biden-deal-Chinese-energy-firm-report-says.html

 

The danger (to American continiuity) is that Joe has a fondness for Xi's 'soft power' aka bribery, baksheesh, mordid, to the detriment of the US middle class. I mean, I have trouble tolerating the people who installed and are aiming hypersonic weapons at us, be it Vlad the Impailer, or Chairman Xi. Neither, Bush 43, nor Barack Obama, raced to have the US install these for ourselves. It costs money, and it'd stir up an arms race. For Vlad and Xi, an arms race was no trouble! In this case, John, this is not Biden's villainy, nor Orange Man's, nor Hilly's, nor, Fox News--this is all on these foreign leaders who like the idea of tension, in order to hold control over their respective nation states. Its all on them. 

 

Last, I would say that the thing democrats consider the third rail, the billionaires that bribe the Democratic Party, as corrupting as the Billionaires that bribe the Republican Party. Yours seem more power hungry, like Zuck, Pichai, Jack Dorsey who claim they censor for made up reasons. There you go, you may continue pretending these are 'good guys' funding BLMTifa. 

-----Original Message-----From: John Clark : everyth...@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Oct 21, 2020 8:49 am Subject: Trump's massive corruption is now the new normal

Everybody remembers the mindless chants of "lock her up" lead by Trump against his 2016 political opponent, and Trump still wants Hillary Clinton jailed for the crime of challenging him, so it's no surprise he wants his 2020 political opponent Joe Biden jailed too and he wants it done IMMEDIATELY. So now "lock him up" has joined "lock her up" at Trump's virus distribution meetings. Oh I almost forgot, he also wants Barack Obama and Kamala Harris imprisoned.

 

Yesterday, just two weeks before election day, on Trump-TV (aka Fox News) he said "We’ve got to get the attorney general to act. He’s got to act, and he’s got to act fast. He’s got to appoint somebody. This is major corruption, and this has to be known about before the election." And on Monday at one of his super spreader events Trump spewed out " For the love of GOD ARREST SOMEBODY. I know people that would have had him locked up five weeks ago. Bill Barr is a very nice man and a very fair man. And in many ways, it doesn’t make some of us happy.”

If Trump had done nothing else that was unwise or immoral those statements alone are more incriminating and far more dangerous than anything Nixon said on those infamous Watergate tapes, and those got him kicked out of the presidency, but massive corruption in the executive branch has now become the new normal and so people just shrug off such treasonous behavior as Trump being Trump. Drain the swamp my ass!

John K Clark

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Ignore is good.* Yes there were many educated Germans and yes, scientists who got entrapped by the nazis mix of racism and occultism, but this was only after their loss and Clemenceau's punitive damages concerning, The Great War, and thus, the hyperinflation, that followed, and 7 years later, the Great Depression. Not to be a bit self righteous, but my own bloodline, as it were, went up adolf's chimneys, so I am aware of the impact of world events on even the finest minds in physics, or what's a Heisenberg for (he led the Reich's A-bomb research)? I am also cognizant of the ruinous mass murders of Adolf's one time chum, Stalin, as well as the prizewinner Mao Tse Tung, in the deaths of his own Han. I am also against the Islamists, which all liberals, progressives, and communists have a soft spot for. So, I suppose my ideological enemies are legion (not to get all, NT upon everyone!). The practice of sending people to psychiatric hospitals who disagreed with the internal and external policies of the old, Soviets, now comes back to memory, Reminding me that this was and is a tactic of the said, liberals, progressives, and yeah, communists, that now infest the democratic party. Talk physics or talk politics, but not both (a suggestion not an order).

*accepted, no biggie. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Lawrence we live in an epoch of political aggression and those that dish it out must take it, and those who take it must dish it out, ad nauseum. I take the RNC's corruption over the DNCs so what can I say? It's a society run by oligarchs, so I see a bit more hope for material improvements typically by going a bit nationalist, which is a feature of the RNC (because its useful) and economically it beats (for now) the China facing dedication by the DNC. Yes, I am aware of the great need for avoidance of another Smoot-Hawley (which as Sen. Moynihan once said led directly to Dachau and Hiroshima) but some autarky seems beneficial if we are looking out for the benefit of the US middle class? On corruption, it is now down to this.

 https://nypost.com/2020/10/24/biden-corruption-claims-all-but-confirmed-with-hunter-emails/

So it's not just taking a payoff, but taking a payoff from an existential threat. Even the Bern & Soros have objected to Xi's actions, and have drawn his ire. 

The orange man, you guys are obsessed about, when, indeed, your candidates helped create him, as Bush 43 created Obama. Personally, I would rather have a businessman of dubious reputation, like Cap'n Orange who failed and succeeded at several businesses, than, the dem alternatives, being people with law degrees who to win office must take contribution$ from said, dubious business peeps. 

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 6:26:46 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Lawrence we live in an epoch of political aggression and those that dish it out must take it, and those who take it must dish it out, ad nauseum. I take the RNC's corruption over the DNCs so what can I say?

It means you prefer fascism over socialism. OK, we got your message. Please take it somewhere else, or at least stop addressing this directly to me.

There is a list started by the late Victor Stenger that is devoted to science, physics and theism and atheism. It has gotten completely mired in political stuff. Since atheism is a sort of political ideology it is maybe not unexpected. I suppose here I do not mind it now and then, but it is not why I joined this. Of course with a presidential administration devoted to promoting falsehoods, lies and deceptions this is bound to raise the raise eyebrows of those who are interested in what can be proven or demonstrated as true. 

It would be best if political rubbish not significantly populate things here.

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

Yeah, I am familiar with the late Vic Stenger and bought his books back in the day. Atheism is fine because I am good with casting God out of your way, if it gets in the path of optimal mental functioning. If you demand the progressive serve-up of stalinist (now funded by crony capitalist$), to be the rule of this list, I dispute! It's not my fault that your buddy (joe) takes cash from an existential threat like Xi, and you wish me pretend that this is not fact, is cringe worthy indeed. I mean, because of Xi using Huawei to have back doors on its 5G system for spying or sabotage, and the DNC still smile favorably upon Xi, is also not my fault. 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-10-20/sweden-bans-china-huawei-zte-5g-networks

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54455112

In summary to the court, I conclude that when one has lost the LA Times, The BBC, the United Kingdom & Sweden, i'd advise corrupt Joe & the DNC to C'mon Man, give it up, game over!'

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[spudb...@aol.com]

I have no idea of Peach except this was democrat maxine Waters favorite claim after The Donald's ascension to office (angelic chori). "Peach 45!" was the congresswoman's cry, not to be confused with a new taste in malt liquor. The Qanon thing I have heard of, but suspect it's a psych warfare, agit-prop thing used to influence they election. We already have Google, Twits, and FB doing this already via censorship + juggling search engine results. No thanks. Secret sources make me wrathfully suspicious of writers inventing 'sources' to sell a message. 

I find your question regarding who wins the election,intriguing. If it is clear, as in poll fraud, is unlikely; The , then yeah, the people have spake, and He goes! Now, if it looks like Big Don clearly wins (we both know it will go recount, then to the Supe court),then will you acknowledge that he won? 

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[John Clark]

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 11:56 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> I have no idea of Peach except this was democrat maxine Waters favorite claim after The Donald's ascension to office (angelic chori). "Peach 45!" was the congresswoman's cry,

And I have no idea, not the slightest hint, of what the hell you're talking about!  I am not fluent in Spudtalk and Google translate has not gotten around to that language yet, so please use English.

 

> if it looks like Big Don clearly wins (we both know it will go recount, then to the Supe court),then will you acknowledge that he won? 

If Trump clearly wins then I will have no alternative but to say that Trump clearly won, but Nate Silver, who was less wrong in 2016 than just about anybody else, says there is less than a 1% chance that Trump will win in a landslide, but a 31% chance that Biden will win in a landslide.  Overall Silver says Trump has a 13% chance of winning the election, and that number is way way too large for me to feel comfortable. Silver doesn't give the odds that Trump will lose the election but remain in power after January 20, 2021, personally I would put that number at about 20%.

> (we both know it will go recount, 

No, I don't know that a recount is inevitable, historically very few presidential elections have needed recounts. Silver says that in 2020 the chances of the outcome of the election hinging on a recount is only 5%. 

> then to the Supe court) ,then will you acknowledge that he won? 

Normally I would say if there was a dispute between the election of candidate X and Y and the Supreme Court said X had won then I would say X had won, however things are NOT normal. The US Senate is going to rubber stamp Trump's nominee to go on the Supreme Court tomorrow just eight days before election day after 55 million Americans have already voted for the next president, and after hypocritical Republicans refused to even consider Merrick Garland because Obama nominated him nine months before Election day and they said that was too soon. And Trump publicly admitted that he was rushing this nomination through with unprecedented speed because he thought the election decision might need to go to the Supreme Court and he wanted another one of his pet judges on it. And during the confirmation hearings Judge Amy Coney Barrett refused to recuse herself on matters concerning the election that is eight days away that may decide the future of the president who nominated her.

John K Clark

[PGC]

On Sunday, October 25, 2020 at 2:11:24 AM UTC+2 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Yeah, I am familiar with the late Vic Stenger and bought his books back in the day. Atheism is fine because I am good with casting God out of your way, if it gets in the path of optimal mental functioning. If you demand the progressive serve-up of stalinist (now funded by crony capitalist$), to be the rule of this list, I dispute! It's not my fault that your buddy (joe) takes cash from an existential threat like Xi, and you wish me pretend that this is not fact, is cringe worthy indeed. I mean, because of Xi using Huawei to have back doors on its 5G system for spying or sabotage, and the DNC still smile favorably upon Xi, is also not my fault. 

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-10-20/sweden-bans-china-huawei-zte-5g-networks

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54455112

In summary to the court, I conclude that when one has lost the LA Times, The BBC, the United Kingdom & Sweden, i'd advise corrupt Joe & the DNC to C'mon Man, give it up, game over!'

The objections to your posts are not based on the unreflected regurgitating of Nazi inversions of news cycle items in trolling style. 

It's that you're a soft liberal Nazi... You don't bring up or address the real issues e.g. democrats are drinking the blood of children, the truth about Bin Laden and the Saudis, Jews and their Billionaires, intricacies of Wuhan Flu deeper than plandemic, Obama, Deep State, you're pro vaccine when you should know better, you don't deny the holocaust markedly enough, not being anti-Islam enough, and not being racist enough to realize that you're talking to filthy Europeans like Bruno etc. who have the obvious agenda of taking American greatness away from you.

That's why Lawrence's appeal for you to see a therapist was so strong. But go ahead keep posting your brains out, because - we can all face it - you're about as far gone from recognizing the need for change in your life as we are from benevolent AGI, so you'll keep spamming the list as its proof, part, and parcel of the very disorders that Lawrence brought up, which would be the kind that keep you from looking at yourself in the mirror and taking the initiative and strength to optimize that. Hogging the floor and trolling wee lists is therefore where it has to be for you to keep running and hiding. If the community had balls to vote on what they thought are the merits of particular posts, you'd be gone. So take advantage. Folks here won't take action or move.

Plus, you can always ask Bruno and Co. about platonism when you get bored with the low quality Nazi posts and they'll happily explain things to you, as they are immortal and have as much time as you... which is why you settled here in the first place. This isn't Wei Dai's list in the sense that is has nothing to do with his rationales. It's a self-help group running in circles for years with exceptions to some posts. And the platonists can somehow be happy that the skeptics remain here to keep platonic imaginations in check, as without their input, this list would be history. PGC

[Bruno Marchal]

I think Trump is far worse than Nixon. It is not even comparable. Trump acts like a dictator, and much more so since the senate acquitted him. 1/10 of Mueller’s report would have put any president out of office, and this means that Trump is protected by powerful people belonging to the “swamp”. 

The November election is not an election between Republicans and Democrats, it is an election between tyranny and a state based on the idea of human right. Trump is a serious threat for all democracies in the world.

People have to be dumb or dumbed for even voting for someone unable to show its tax returns. 4 years ago he promised repeatedly to show them, and now he sued people trying to see them… 

Trump asks for personal loyalty, which Imo should be enough to put him out of office.

Bruno

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Actually, this is the reverse of the situation. The swamp are the people who made tons of cash from Xi's rule of China and want the money train to continue on. The moving of offshore jobs and the importation of H1B employees has proven devastating to the US middle class. Thus, say, Tom Steyer, & Warren (Berkshire-Hathaway), as oligarchs who purchase US politicians, plus, intelligence officials and military can get jobs, and have loyalty first to these oligarchs. The democratic party used to be the party of the middle class, while the republicans were always the party of the rich. No more. Swamp, is the republican term for this collective of billionaires who fund both former cia, and fbi, officials, and also, the street stalinists of Blmtifa. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Years ago I noticed how many of the antifa schmucks were all, wee, white aryans, thus, my nefarious brain, as it were, came up with WASP, which used to mean, white anglo-saxon protestant  (a term of derision!)  I had worked it into things like white aryan socialist progressive, then to white aryan stalinist progressive, etc. My suspicion is your team will be physically attacking polling stations in about 9 days, to avert an Orange man win? In any case your guys may try to start a civil war, win or lose, because stalinists (now funded by corporation$) will either see an opportunity to purge, in the manner of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, to wipe out opponents; or will evince rage at losing?

Platonism, is a thing which is intriguing, but because I tend toward materialism, I need some sketch of a embedded physical system in the universe. There actually seems to be one possible via, a team headed by Harvard physicist, Andrew Strominger:

https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691179506/lectures-on-the-infrared-structure-of-gravity-and-gauge-theory

I believe this was Stephen Hawkings last physics paper? In any case, I am certain that Strominger will be voting for Joe, aka Dr. Sleepers, so you're safe ;-) !

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[spudb...@aol.com]

At any rate, like the  Hanging Chads election (Fla.)  20 years ago, this will all go legal, except in the streets and ultimately the streets may actually decide leadership within this continent? Peach is how congresswoman Maxine Waters (D) has spoken in several public occasions when she chose not to pronounce impeachment, as it is normally spoken. Maybe it's a shout out to her constituents that had appeal?  At any rate it was the subject of quite a few funny fake ads. Some at Don's expense, some at Maxine's. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fimgflip.com%2Fm%2Fpolitics%2Ftag%2Fpeach%2B45&psig=AOvVaw1rhtjmni7-mkl87HDihOq2&ust=1603761492709000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCNiJhqaL0ewCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAg

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[PGC]

The liberal team is waiting with a new virus that will turn them into super-rats with batwings by November 3 and drink the blood of all political opponents, including  wee white aryan Nazi progressives who are unable to solve problems re power series, partial derivatives, space vectors, centroids, double and triple integrals, masses of variable density, differential equations of first and second order etc. while quoting liberal scientists as if they had read them in the sense of anything resembling comprehension. 

If the Nazi fails the test, their blood will be drunk on the spot. If the Nazi passes the test, they will be assimilated with a vaccine containing Xi nanobots that will constantly remind them of their former supreme racist's Chinese bank transactions, so that whenever some vague racist thought starts to fire in the neurons of their brain, a popup will spring up in their irises reminding them of the Chinese and Russian ownership of their beloved supreme racist via a dated transaction list of his benefactors subtitled "We own the supreme racist. We always have". PGC 

[spudb...@aol.com]

Well, you are confused by brushing things off as mere, paranoia, because the true pic is disconcerting. Yeah, I actually sympathize with the urge to smooth everything out mentally, so you can have life that satisfies one's emotional needs. Having said this I will repeat the following assertions, and like the flat earthers, you do not have to accept:

1) Most politicians are effectively bribed via campaign donations

2) The US is an oligarchy, of sorts

3) The liberals used to be for the middle class, but this has ceased to be, certainly since the Supes did the Citizens United ruling.  

4)Thus, the politicians respond most of the time to the needs of billionaire funders, and boards of directors. 

5) yes the Chinese did bribe your guy, or rather Kamala or Bernie's stand-in, Joe Schmuck. Now, you need to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Putin, or Xi,  has bribed Donny with cash or sex or whatever, as in evidence? Anything corrupting is possible. Now whether likely or unlikely, becomes sketchy.  

To look up, and this is boring for me, the contributors to politicians and campaigns, and they assert they are non-partisan is this site:

opensecrets.org

It's seems info-rich, and non-partisan, but I am no expert. Now for your further edification, take a look, if you want, to these links as well. 

https://www.opensecrets.org/

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/the-citizens-united-decision-and-why-it-matters/

https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

https://bulletin.represent.us/american-government-isnt-democracy/

Regarding Xi-land:

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-09-30/us-intelligence-community-not-prepared-china-threat

Beyond, this, if you said yes, I agree! I'd say Ok, fine. What is idiocy, is the domination games that are engaged in on this wee, mail list with the insertion of one's ideology, sans, a response. I never initiate, but I always respond. I will leave turning the other cheek for Mr. Jesus. I hit back. Hey, maybe that is paranoid! Golly!

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[PGC]

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 2:31:16 AM UTC+1 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

I hit back. Hey, maybe that is paranoid! Golly!

It's also, among quite a list of other things, delusional as your posts frame yourself as some hero on a revenge trip, necessitating "hitting back". You type on a keyboard thinking you're in some UFC boxing ring reposting links nobody cares about and nobody asked for. Somebody posts about a black hole and you see Obama and black panthers and post like a zealot who has to rid the list from satan. That, and you're working for Xi by being a racist, supporting those responsible for killing US citizens via inaction and downplaying the pandemic, thereby weakening USA. PGC

[Lawrence Crowell]

The socio-economic role of the Republicans and Democrats is changing. The Republicans started in the late 1850s as a progressive party and abolitionist. Lincoln in fighting the Civil War though enlisted industry to produce munitions, and this coupled the Republicans with the industrialists and bankers. The Democrats were conservatives and Confederates, but after the war they split into the segregationist, or Dixiecrats, in the south, but coupled with the labor movement that sought economic rights in the north. This split collapsed eventually as the Republican domination from 1860 to 1930 ended, the progressive Democrats won with FDR and the New Deal. Eventually the split was put to an end with the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights. Then Nixon in his “southern strategy” moved the GOP into the south. The Democrats transitions from being the party of the landed gentry of the south into the champion of the working man. The Republicans went from being a progressive party into the party for the millionaire class. However, this is changing.

If Donald Trump wins I suspect the future of the US is a neo-fascistic authoritarianism. The Republican Party will become the sole ruling party and the Democrats reduced to a token opposition that is eventually phase out of existence. It is also possible that even if Biden wins that the GOP will come back with an even more of a madman, maybe Cotton of Arkansas. That man is insane.

However, if I assume that does not happen the signs are evident that the Democratic Party is emerging as the party of the neo-elites. The advanced economic sectors, computers, AI, biotech and so forth are largely in favor of the Democrats. The older industries, think of coal and oil, are behind the GOP. The financial sector is more Democratic than it ever has been, though its old GOP habits are still here. The Republican Party is becoming a sort of economic progressive party, or populist party, that attracts the economically disenfranchised. Though this is largely with white people. As white people are about 2/3rds the US population they have about half in their favor, and this corresponds roughly with Trump’s base. This means the GOP will become in time a hopeless minority party unless their populist message is extended to non-white people. They could start with Latinos and by ending this ridiculous wall building.

I will also say while the Democrats are becoming the party of those better educated or more inclined to an intellectual perspective, the Republicans are becoming the party of the uneducated and in some cases just downright dumb. Trump has facilitated this enormously. Take a look at this statement by Trump. Anyone at a rally enthusiastically supporting this and hundreds of other non-sequitur statements are either not really thinking, they think they are thinking, or they are simply too dumb to ever think at all.

The GOP also faces a big shift because of their victory with the Barrett confirmation. I suspect it is now a matter of time before Roe v Wade is history. Abortion will become highly illegal, and I would not be surprised to see draconian punishments such as death penalty for abortions, even against women who self-abort. The GOP will have used up that trump-card. That is a big problem, for that creates a huge political message vacuum for the GOP. Also. as dead women start piling up and the flip side of this problem rears its head the conservatives will be on the defensive on this.

The GOP will have to come up with some new thing or amplify the pro-gun message to the point private ownership of nuclear bombs is legal. Well, sort of kidding on the nukes, but we may see all sorts of gun craziness. They might also work on a new message against LBTQ or other groups. The GOP is quite often in favor of punitive or authoritarian actions. Be prepared, that could be worrisome.

I foresee though a shift where the Democratic Party is the party of new wealth, and the Republicans are a sort of progressive or populist party supporting the economically depressed and the least educated. The GOP may in time lose its connection to the financial elites. This could be the next flip around.

This all has a weak connection to Democracy. This country has always had a rather plutocratic system. Attempts to make the American Republic more democratic have been rather fleeting and halting. James Madison lamented as president how the banks, plantation owners and shipping companies had such influence. Lincoln made similar statements. It has always been this way. The biggest difference between Republicans and Democrats is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when confronted by their campaign donors.

LC

[Philip Benjamin]

[Philip Benjamin]

Perhaps in “Everything List ”Hardball Tactics of Republicans to promote Civil Liberties after 1861” is also relevant. Then check the following link.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-democrats-can-learn-hardball-from-the-republicans-of-1861/ 

In  antebellum America the Democrats were the pro-slavery, pro-segregation, pro-discrimination, pro-KKK Party. Have they really changed? If so good for them. If not, who is now the pro-human-trafficking, pro-sanctuary-city, pro-illegal-immigration, pro-pornography, pro-baby-dismembering, pro-baby-part-selling, anti-family, anti-traditional-marriage, pro-pedophilia, pro- beastiality, pro-anarchy, pro-Epstein-isalnd-morality, pro-pagan, pro-progressism etc., etc.?

       Having laws by free citizens in a free society in congruence with Natural Laws or Common Sense is not dictatorship. It is civility, law & order. There are basic rule-of-law considerations from both a theoretical and historical perspective. Fourth Century Augustine (once a profligate pagan, https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine) is the chief architect of Western Civilization in general. The “Two great Awakenings” (led by the intellectual giant Jonathan Edwards, the founder of Princeton University) of Puritan America in particular are both historical and historic facts. Science & technology are the products of a civilization where an awakened Augustinian consciousness (not reptilian, unregenerated consciousness) prevails.  

Best regards

Philip Benjamin

        

From: everyth...@googlegroups.com <everyth...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Lawrence Crowell
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The socio-economic role of the Republicans and Democrats is changing. The Republicans started in the late 1850s as a progressive party and abolitionist. Lincoln in fighting the Civil War though enlisted industry to produce munitions, and this coupled the Republicans with the industrialists and bankers. The Democrats were conservatives and Confederates, but after the war they split into the segregationist, or Dixiecrats, in the south, but coupled with the labor movement that sought economic rights in the north. This split collapsed eventually as the Republican domination from 1860 to 1930 ended, the progressive Democrats won with FDR and the New Deal. Eventually the split was put to an end with the Voting Rights Act and Civil Rights. Then Nixon in his “southern strategy” moved the GOP into the south. The Democrats transitions from being the party of the landed gentry of the south into the champion of the working man. The Republicans went from being a progressive party into the party for the millionaire class. However, this is changing.

If Donald Trump wins I suspect the future of the US is a neo-fascistic authoritarianism. The Republican Party will become the sole ruling party and the Democrats reduced to a token opposition that is eventually phase out of existence. It is also possible that even if Biden wins that the GOP will come back with an even more of a madman, maybe Cotton of Arkansas. That man is insane.

However, if I assume that does not happen the signs are evident that the Democratic Party is emerging as the party of the neo-elites. The advanced economic sectors, computers, AI, biotech and so forth are largely in favor of the Democrats. The older industries, think of coal and oil, are behind the GOP. The financial sector is more Democratic than it ever has been, though its old GOP habits are still here. The Republican Party is becoming a sort of economic progressive party, or populist party, that attracts the economically disenfranchised. Though this is largely with white people. As white people are about 2/3rds the US population they have about half in their favor, and this corresponds roughly with Trump’s base. This means the GOP will become in time a hopeless minority party unless their populist message is extended to non-white people. They could start with Latinos and by ending this ridiculous wall building.

I will also say while the Democrats are becoming the party of those better educated or more inclined to an intellectual perspective, the Republicans are becoming the party of the uneducated and in some cases just downright dumb. Trump has facilitated this enormously. Take a look at this statement by Trump. Anyone at a rally enthusiastically supporting this and hundreds of other non-sequitur statements are either not really thinking, they think they are thinking, or they are simply too dumb to ever think at all.

 

The GOP also faces a big shift because of their victory with the Barrett confirmation. I suspect it is now a matter of time before Roe v Wade is history. Abortion will become highly illegal, and I would not be surprised to see draconian punishments such as death penalty for abortions, even against women who self-abort. The GOP will have used up that trump-card. That is a big problem, for that creates a huge political message vacuum for the GOP. Also. as dead women start piling up and the flip side of this problem rears its head the conservatives will be on the defensive on this.

The GOP will have to come up with some new thing or amplify the pro-gun message to the point private ownership of nuclear bombs is legal. Well, sort of kidding on the nukes, but we may see all sorts of gun craziness. They might also work on a new message against LBTQ or other groups. The GOP is quite often in favor of punitive or authoritarian actions. Be prepared, that could be worrisome.

I foresee though a shift where the Democratic Party is the party of new wealth, and the Republicans are a sort of progressive or populist party supporting the economically depressed and the least educated. The GOP may in time lose its connection to the financial elites. This could be the next flip around.

This all has a weak connection to Democracy. This country has always had a rather plutocratic system. Attempts to make the American Republic more democratic have been rather fleeting and halting. James Madison lamented as president how the banks, plantation owners and shipping companies had such influence. Lincoln made similar statements. It has always been this way. The biggest difference between Republicans and Democrats is the velocity with which their knees hit the floor when confronted by their campaign donors.

LC

 

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 6:10:29 AM UTC-5 PGC wrote:

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 2:31:16 AM UTC+1 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

I hit back. Hey, maybe that is paranoid! Golly!

 

It's also, among quite a list of other things, delusional as your posts frame yourself as some hero on a revenge trip, necessitating "hitting back". You type on a keyboard thinking you're in some UFC boxing ring reposting links nobody cares about and nobody asked for. Somebody posts about a black hole and you see Obama and black panthers and post like a zealot who has to rid the list from satan. That, and you're working for Xi by being a racist, supporting those responsible for killing US citizens via inaction and downplaying the pandemic, thereby weakening USA. PGC

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:55 AM Philip Benjamin <medin...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> [Democrats are]  pro-pornography

You almost make that sound like a bad thing. How is somebody else watching pornography any of your goddamned business?

> pro-baby-part-selling

If you're talking about Human Embryonic Stem Cells then you're goddamn right Democrats are for it! In fact that's one of the reasons I change my party affiliation from Republican to Democrat.  

> pro-pedophilia

Nonsense of course.  

> anti-traditional-marriage

More nonsense  

  > pro-pagan

Pagan's are just people that belong to a religious franchise that is not part of the majority franchise, I can find no evidence that pagans are less moral than Christians and there is some evidence that they are more moral. Certainly one hell of a lot more people have been tortured to death in Jesus's name than in the name of Zeus or Odin.

> pro-Epstein-isalnd-morality

I found these pictures of Jeffrey Epstein with Donald Trump, I would've posted pictures of Epstein with Joe Biden but Google can't find any and neither can Bing:

 

John K Clark

[Lawrence Crowell]

[spudb...@aol.com]

I could ignore the crowing about the wonderfulness of the alternative to Don, or I can hit back. I keep quiet unless somebody here yodels out some political diatribe, but when they do I write back. Consider this a character flaw, a disorder, no problem. I don't see the guy who took some action against Xi, while Joe and Chuck and Nancy were always laudatory for the dude. If Trump or anyone else plays nice-nice with Xi, this troubles me. On Covid, one cannot say, as Joe does in his ads, say he has "a plan." He has no plan, and the only thing to do is to identify, safe to ingest antagonists to the virus's impact, and yeah, to push massively, for vaccines. The vaccine thing is being done, but is too slow. If we get some means of killing the virus propagation, in-situ, this would wonderful. America and many other countries are still oligarchies, so as Led Zep sang many years ago, the song remains the same. Our influence is nil.

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I hit back. Hey, maybe that is paranoid! Golly!

It's also, among quite a list of other things, delusional as your posts frame yourself as some hero on a revenge trip, necessitating "hitting back". You type on a keyboard thinking you're in some UFC boxing ring reposting links nobody cares about and nobody asked for. Somebody posts about a black hole and you see Obama and black panthers and post like a zealot who has to rid the list from satan. That, and you're working for Xi by being a racist, supporting those responsible for killing US citizens via inaction and downplaying the pandemic, thereby weakening USA. PGC

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What is called White Privilege is merely doing things in a proven way. Is it the best, of course not, but we are really talking about, honestly, which "culture" proves the most successful, or workable? It is something unrelated to genetics, or physical appearance, and simply is a set of opinions, attitudes, and beliefs. The good part of white culture is likely in its problem solving. Are say Chinese engineers or Indian ones, often superior engineers, for sure. Yet they too utilize proven regimens for engineering issues. Hence, in China, it is a big plus, to send a student to the US for graduate work in the sciences. Part of that is still prestige (for the student & family) back home, and some of this is the opportunity to learn and lead. In the US some cultures appear to value educational achievement, especially in the STEM regimes of knowledge, less than others. This attitude has proven Failing to value book learn'n across races and cultures is demonstrated to be income-limiting and career-limiting. 

I cannot make people like science, if they don't like science, and I won't pretend that they do. This is not my fault, nor, is it yours. It's all on them, whomever the them is. The Southern whites for example have proven to be quite rapid adaptors compared to the days of segregation, to upgrade skills and knowledge, and do not quite look or behave as the murderers depicted in Easy Rider. In Philadelphia tonight we see more rioting, under the cover of protesting, and this has been going on since late May 2020. The proper advice to those being placed under arrest is don't violently resist, and don't attack the arresting officers, for in dem zones & rep zones, the legislators, judges, district attorneys, mayors, governors, have consistently given law enforcement the right for 'self defense.'  Good or bad, right or wrong, white or black, people have ended up dead, and whatever the judge tells a jury to do, the shooter gets off free much of the time. Also, the focus here is never police brutality or unlawful shootings, but instead white priv or systematic racism. There's a reason for this. And so on and so forth.

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/27/2020 5:55 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

I could ignore the crowing about the wonderfulness of the alternative to Don, or I can hit back. I keep quiet unless somebody here yodels out some political diatribe, but when they do I write back. Consider this a character flaw, a disorder, no problem. I don't see the guy who took some action against Xi, while Joe and Chuck and Nancy were always laudatory for the dude.

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Washington, D.C. 15 Oct 2019 – Speaker Nancy Pelosi delivered remarks on the Floor of the House of Representatives in support of H.R. 4270, the PROTECT Hong Kong Act; H.R. 3289, the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act of 2019; and H.Res. 543, a resolution supporting the Hong Kong protestors. Below are the Speaker’s remarks:

Speaker Pelosi:  Thank you, Mr. Speaker.  I thank the gentleman for yielding and I thank him for his support of democracy and democratic freedom in Hong Kong.

I want to salute my colleague, Representative Smith from New Jersey, with whom I have worked for decades with on this subject, whether it's religious freedom, freedom of expression, and in China.  And I thank Mr. McGovern for his important leadership as Chair of the China Commission and as Chair of the Lantos Human Rights Commission.  Thank you.

Thank you very much, Mr. Sherman, for your leadership, and for yielding, in fact.

So, right now we're on the, what, Protect Hong Kong Act as amended, by Mr. McGovern and I rise in support of that legislation.  And indeed the bills that are on the Floor to support democratic freedom in Hong Kong.

Mr. Speaker, for four months the young people of Hong Kong have sent a stirring message to the world that the dreams of freedom, justice and democracy can never be extinguished by injustice and intimidation. 

The extraordinary outpouring of courage from the people of Hong Kong stands in stark contrast to a cowardly government that refuses to respect the rule of law or live up to the ‘One Country, Two Systems’ framework, which was guaranteed more than two decades ago.

In 1984, before the United Kingdom transferred Hong Kong to China, the Chinese government promised a high degree of autonomy for the territory in the Joint Declaration of the Question of Hong Kong, providing for an independent executive, legislature and judiciary — independent; ensuring the freedom of speech, press, assembly and religion; prohibiting the central government, the Chinese government in Beijing, from interfering in the affairs that Hong Kong administers on its own according to the Basic Law; and pledging a path to universal suffrage.

In 1997 – that's when we were here doing this – when the handover occurred, America was hopeful that the people of Hong Kong would achieve this high degree of autonomy that they were promised.  And, this was a promise that was participated in by the U.K. government.

Today, we must sadly conclude that China has broken that promise.

For years, the people of Hong Kong have faced a barrage of unjust and harsh restrictions on their freedoms.  And those who have stood up for their rights have been met with a cruel crackdown.

In Congress, Democrats and Republicans in the House and in the Senate stand united with the people of Hong Kong.  If America does not speak out for human rights in China because of commercial interests, then we lose all moral authority to speak out for human rights any place in the world.

Since Tiananmen Square 30 years ago, many of us, in a bipartisan way, have been fighting this fight and we have seen that commercial interests always wins.  It's always about the money.  I lost my innocence on human rights in America and China all those years ago, when I saw that while we talked a good talk, when it came right down to it – right, Mr. Smith? – it was always about the money.

Again, to those who want to take the repressive government's side in this discussion, I say to you, what does it profit a person if he gains the whole world and suffers the loss of his soul?  And we do not want to lose the soul of our country for commercial interests, whatever those commercial interests may be.

It's interesting hear people saying, we have to know both sides of the story.  Okay, you want to know both sides?

One side is a very repressive regime that is crushing democratic freedoms in Hong Kong, at the same time that they have tried to destroy the culture, the language and religion in Tibet, at the same time as they incarcerate in education camps more than a million, could be three million, Uyghur Muslims in China, while they repress religious freedom there.  The list goes on and on.

And the other side, young people speaking out for freedom, democratic freedoms, in Hong Kong.  They are so impressive.

Mr. Smith and I have worked, as Mr. McGovern has, with like three generations.  Starting after Tiananmen, tanks rolling over young people who spoke out for democratic freedoms in China.  The next generation, a couple, fifteen years later.  And now, this generation of young people.  So impressive are they that even the more senior freedom fighters in Hong Kong are impressed by their courage and their stick-to-it-iveness.

Today, the House is proud to pass a bicameral, bipartisan Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act to reaffirm America's commitment to democracy.  And that doesn't mean a democracy lite – it means democratic freedoms, human rights and the rule of law in the face of Beijing's crackdown.  And Beijing thinks that they can rule because of money.  It always comes down to that.
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If Trump or anyone else plays nice-nice with Xi, this troubles me.

NYT 22 Nov 2019: WASHINGTON — President Trump refused to commit Friday to signing legislation overwhelmingly passed by Congress to support pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong, saying that he supported the protesters but that President Xi Jinping of China was “a friend of mine.”

The bill comes as Mr. Trump is trying to strike a trade deal with China, one of the central goals of his presidency. It puts him in the delicate position of trying to win China’s support for the pact while balancing growing calls from Congress to support the protesters who are taking on Beijing.

“I stand with Hong Kong,” he said during a nearly hourlong interview on the morning program “Fox & Friends.” “I stand with freedom. I stand with all of the things we want to do. But we’re also in the process of making the largest trade deal in history.”

Mr. Trump spoke warmly about Mr. Xi, calling him “an incredible guy” and “a friend of mine.” And he credited his trade negotiation with China as the reason Mr. Xi had not already extinguished the protests with a sweeping and violent crackdown that would have killed “thousands” of people.

“If it weren’t for me, Hong Kong would have been obliterated in 14 minutes,” Mr. Trump said.

But Mr. Trump’s apparent willingness to tie human rights issues to progress on the trade front drew rebukes from Republicans and Democrats, who said such positioning risked compromising the United States’ role as a global defender of democracy.

“Make no mistake: President Trump’s words today do not reflect what the American people or the Congress think about President Xi’s oppressive policies toward the people of Hong Kong,” said Senator Chuck Schumer, the minority leader. “For a guy who promised to be tough on China, President Trump’s reliable deference to President Xi is all the more bewildering.”

Senator Rick Scott, Republican of Florida, said that a veto from Mr. Trump “would be a mistake. Congress spoke loud and clear that we #StandWithHongKong.” He added, “It’s more important than a trade deal.”
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I know potatoes grow underground, but even  there enough news should penetrate for you to know who praises Xi and who criticizes him.

Brent

[spudb...@aol.com]

This doesn't concern you?

Pelosi blocks the sanctioning of Confucius Institutes of the Chinese Communist Party in the US

https://thebl.com/politics/pelosi-blocks-the-sanctioning-of-the-confucius-institutes-of-the-chinese-communist-party-in-the-us.html

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[Brent Meeker]

Whataboutism.  It'll concern me when you admit that you didn't know shit about who praised and who damned Xi.

Brent

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[Bruno Marchal]

Hi Philip,

You seem to use “pagan” as a pejorative adjective. I use it usually in a meliorative way, for any religion or theology which does not mix state and religion. The neoplatonists are easily persecuted by those who institutionalised religion after having separate theology from science. Pagan meant “neoplatonist” at some period, and they were considered as heretic by the christians after the closure of Plato Academy. Thanks to S’t-Augustine, the christian have not killed Plato completely, and both the muslims and the christian theologians have keep a part of neoplatonism ("scientific theology”) alive, although soon persecuted by the literalist and the institutionalised religion.

I think that we will live the Middle-Âge when theology will come back to the faculty of science (even to mathematics if we want accelerate this). The obscurantism comes from the fact that we still tolerate the (total) lack of rigour in the fundamental science and in the human sciences. The Renaissance was half “Renaissance” as the most fundamental science (theology, metaphysics, or philosophy) has not yet be given back to the academies.

Bruno

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[Philip Benjamin]

Following three phrases need elaboration: 1 . American continuity 2 .  mindless chants  3.  the billionaires that bribe thePolitical Parties.

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One can call iit whataboutism, out of the leftist lexicon, or one can say, compare and contrast? Xi has become an active enemy for his own needs, not Joe or nancy or orange man. He is simply using a great external enemy to unite the people over an external threat, rather than to have the peasants start accusing the party of bad governance. Obama, Bush 43, Bubba Clinton also enabled the CP China economically and promoting the offshoring of US jobs that the corporate heads saw as a great cost savings. For your own reasons, judging by your posts, you are also content with the way things were. So, for what once a pro-middle class party, the democrats are now the party of the wealthy, and obviously income inequality doesn't really mean anything to the DNC. To relieve income inequality in the US, Americans need to be employed at middle class jobs, savvy?

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/28/2020 3:49 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

One can call iit whataboutism, out of the leftist lexicon, or one can say, compare and contrast? Xi has become an active enemy for his own needs, not Joe or nancy or orange man. He is simply using a great external enemy to unite the people over an external threat, rather than to have the peasants start accusing the party of bad governance.

Are you talking about Trump and Mexican rapists and Muslims and BLM and NATO screwing the U.S. and the Wuhan flu...or are you trying to refer to Xi?

Brent

[John Clark]

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 6:49 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> One can call iit whataboutism, out of the leftist lexicon, or one can say, compare and contrast? Xi has become an active enemy for his own needs, not Joe or nancy or orange man.

What the hell does that mean?

> He is simply using a great external enemy to unite the people over an external threat,

Who the hell is "he"? Good God man, learn to write coherent sentences!

 John K Clark

  

[Lawrence Crowell]

The bible does give some useful advice here and there. This is a case of casting pearls before swine. Spudboy is a case of someone who has gone, as Robert Burns might put it, Gang oft aglay.  I stopped communicating with a friend who started going on about mass executions of protestors and so forth. This is all mass-mental illness.

LC

[spudb...@aol.com]

Thanks for asking me to clarify. China is the #1 existential threat, because the Communist Party China, appears to wish it to be so, for the sake of shoring up support from the regular Han. The problem for the Party is that with trade with the rest of the world, especially, the USA, which uplifted 400 million Han into the middle class, has its drawbacks for the Party. People start demanding for, and their is unrest..for the party. On Latinos, especially Mexicans, the RINO brothers the Koch's, alleged, libertarians were open borders funders because it lined their pockets and those of their chief investor$.  Yes there are rapists and drug criminals from South who arrive here to be gang bangers and do crime, and I fault the sanctuary city areas for enabling this--so as to have fraudulent voters in democrat roles. On the other hand, I could see cutting some kind of a deal with L, and yes, I trust Latin Americans much more than I do the Islamists. Latinos may do harm, but not to attain paradise. This is me doing compare & contrast, which is anathema to progressives. 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/europe/france-nice-stabbing-attack-intl/index.html

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