FW: Wishing a Joyful Christmas & Happy New Year

[Philip Benjamin]

Philip Benjamin   Tuesday, December 15, 2020 9:03 AM   general...@googlegroups.com  Subject: {Consciousness-Online} Wishing a Joyful Christmas & Happy New Year

 

[Philip Benjamin]

    Words have meaning when humans with consciousness use and validate them cognitively. What came first? Words or meaning? Or both simultaneously with grammar? Is language a creation of, or an endowment to, humans? If the former, who or what prewired the brain for all languages and how? If the latter, who is the endower?   (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140417191620.htm; Prof. Iris Berent of Northeastern University and researchers at Harvard Medical School).

     For example, GOODBYE = God Be With You. God here is “from Proto-Germanic guthan (source also of Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Dutch god, Old High German got, German Gott, Old Norse guð, Gothic guþ), which is of uncertain origin; perhaps from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (source also of Old Church Slavonic zovo "to call," Sanskrit huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke." The notion could be "divine entity summoned to a sacrifice” https://www.etymonline.com/word/god;  https://wahiduddin.net/words/name_god.htm). 

       That is not the same as the Augustinian God of the Scriptures (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine); Augustine later attributed this to 100% the WORK of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural), with Patriarchal, Prophetic and Apostolic revelatory imprimatur, the very foundation of modern Western Civilization of which WAMP-the-Ingrate is the stealing beneficiary. It is Augustine who pulled out the West from Greco-Roman paganism of individual un-awakened, kundalini/reptilian consciousness. He himself was a profligate pagan of Greco-Roman roots until his unintended encounter with the Scriptures (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine)

       Christmas originally meant Mass of the Christ Child. [Mass is derived from the Latin formula for the dismissal of the congregation: Ite, missa est (“Go, it is the sending or dismissal)].The first Century church was 100% Jewish (12, 120, 500, 3000, 5000, then multitudes both men and women from all social strata including priests (but no Sadducee is ever mentioned as a disciple). For a Jewish Synagogue to observe First Day as Worship Day instead of the Seventh Day (Acts 20: 7, 11), something sky-rending and earth-shaking has to occur, which undeniably was First Day Resurrection. There is no “blind leap” of make-belief here, but an objective Berean way of searching and being assured (Acts 17:10-13).     

                                                       WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism).

Philip Benjamin 

 

                                          Colossians 1:11. “strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy”
Nehemiah 8:10.  “Do not grieve, for the joy of the LORD is your strength.”

Romans 15:13. “May the Adonai of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.” (What hope has the WAMP got?)

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 Philip Benjamin.

[Anonymous Monk]

Greeting folks.

First time reader, joiner, here and pleasantly surprised that such obviously philosophical discussion can easily include a clearly biblical response, discussion, and depth.

For myself though, unschooled in deep philosophies, but not to plain thinking, I have some of my own questions and proposals. 

For instance, if it is clear that there is a Creator, why then does the question of existence continue to be argued?  One would, or should, conclude that the question, and that line of thinking is now irrelevant and moot, and finally a dead line of inquiry.

This Existence is dual, according to what mentions I've read here in the last few threads: one of, the Creator, the other, of all existing substance that Man can sense and ponder.

Truly, for all the apparent and obvious complexity, both of Life and Matter generally, to he obvious Existence points to a Master Architect who wove together All of Creation for his own Reason.

On another point, which I frankly don't comprehend, has to do with the words: Random, Coincidence, and Chance.

In my evaluation of the Evidence. I find none such things. To the contrary, I find Only undiscovered patterns which is from a lack of information. Or. In other words computationally, a lack of Varables to hold the required data for proper evaluation.

Also, the Lack of Recognition of the true nature of Man, is and forever will confound people who have no knowledge of the tunnelhe Creator.  Without knowing first that man is a spirit, and the source of Man's intellect, is from that spirit, the unInformed man will always struggle with all of incorporeal and corporeal reckonings that he considers.

Thus to find an answer to explain and fill obvious gaps, he will invent illogical and superstitious conundrums that further remove them from his grasp.

Freud, Jung, psy, card, palm, entrails. Stars, etc.. All superstitions not based on any truth, fact, nor evidence.

 

I name Freud etal because they had no idea the true source of dreams, visions, or nightmares.

As for QM, given my anti nihilistic and anti random positions, I wonder how QM would be affected as a theory or proposal if random were excluded explicitly and completely?

Tell me?  Would Hs cat still live?  Would Al still call it spooky?  Does a qbit Formed or aligned between 2 plates, separated at birth, behave that way bc of spookiness or bc of undiscovered pattern? The cat lives or dies only bc we cannot yet know of approaching quanta that would pierce the poison filled container.  When will the useless speculation end?

/s/ the AnonymousMonk.

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[Philip Benjamin]

[Anonymous Monk]            “Augustinian”?

“On another point, which I frankly don't comprehend, has to do with the words: Random, Coincidence, and Chance…. In my evaluation of the Evidence, I find none such things. Also, the Lack of Recognition of the true nature of Man, is and forever will confound people who have no knowledge of the Creator.  Without knowing first that man is a spirit, and the source of Man's intellect, is from that spirit, the uninformed man will always struggle with all of incorporeal and corporeal reckonings that he considers…”

[Philip Benjamin]

Chance is a ex post facto statistical number with no creative powers. If all possible external factors are constant, the proverbial coin toss will give the same results all the time. “Man is a spirit”? That is abstruse and ambiguous.  In all ancient languages, Hebrew, Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, the words “soul/spirit” have their roots in breath/breeze. For the ancients death occurred when the last “breath” was gone. Commonsense required them to believe that something “breath-like” was the “life-principle”. Had they any knowledge about bio dark-matter with its chemistry, i.e. chemical bonds (corresponding to bio light-matter— the Periodic Table), they could have more reasonably attributed the “life-principle” to the bio- dark-matter body cocreated at the moment of conception with its bio light-matter twin! Soul & spirit may be so chemically intertwined (by residual chemical forces) to appear AS If they are one and the same. Particles akin to axions, monopoles and neutrinos may be the constituents, with mass ratios the same as for the ordinary atoms, though each mass itself may be negligible with respect to that of an electron.

   Before taking up the rest of your very rational questions, consider the following quizzes pertaining to current events:    

Quiz # 1: Is this an example of Un-awakened or awakened consciousness (bio dark-matter body)?

https://www.theblaze.com/news/kamala-harris-blasted-kwanzaa-pandering.   " Harris was born in 1964 before Kwanzaa existed, the fact that neither of Harris' parents are African….. Her ancestors owned slaves…  Somehow I find it hard to believe that she [Senator Kamala Harris] has a deep childhood attachment [multigenerational?] to a holiday that didn't exist when she was born,…..Why would a Tamil family celebrate Kwanzaa in Canada? … “ Kamala knows nothing about it because she is an Indian Jamaican who grew up in Canada… "

Quiz # 2: Are these examples of prophets of neo-paganism of the order of “Sons-of-Belial (S.O.B’s)” ? (Un-awakened or awakened consciousness (bio dark-matter body)?  

A .  https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/24/joe-biden-touts-most-extensive-inclusive-voter-fraud-organization-in-history-of-american-politics/   “Joe Biden said his campaign has assembled the “most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics” in a podcast published Saturday…” A Freudian slip?

B .  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/bernie-sanders-predicted-donald-trump-161622614.html

  During Sanders’ Oct. 23 appearance on the NBC late-night show, the former Democratic presidential hopeful had some predictions for how the momentous night would play out after Tuesday’s polling. He also had some insight as to how President Donald Trump would falsely and prematurely declare himself the winner on election night and cry fraud over the votes yet to be counted.

[Bruno Marchal]

On 19 Dec 2020, at 21:47, Anonymous Monk <anania...@gmail.com> wrote:

Greeting folks.

Welcome

First time reader, joiner, here and pleasantly surprised that such obviously philosophical discussion can easily include a clearly biblical response, discussion, and depth.

For myself though, unschooled in deep philosophies, but not to plain thinking, I have some of my own questions and proposals. 

For instance, if it is clear that there is a Creator,

With Mechanism, there is no creation and thus no creator as such. It is more like a Universal dreamer, which can awaken and fall asleep, from time to time…. We still need to postulate some (Turing universal) reality, but a tiny part of the arithmetical reality is enough (that tiny part is assumed in all sciences).

why then does the question of existence continue to be argued?  One would, or should, conclude that the question, and that line of thinking is now irrelevant and moot, and finally a dead line of inquiry.

This Existence is dual, according to what mentions I've read here in the last few threads: one of, the Creator, the other, of all existing substance that Man can sense and ponder.

With that phrasing, there is only a creator, and no creation. But the creator created only 0, 1, 2, 3… and the laws of addition and multiplication. There is no substance as they all become stable partially sharable number hallucination.

Truly, for all the apparent and obvious complexity, both of Life and Matter generally, to he obvious Existence points to a Master Architect who wove together All of Creation for his own Reason.

On another point, which I frankly don't comprehend, has to do with the words: Random, Coincidence, and Chance.

Randomness occurs in elementary arithmetic, for many reason. For example, if you write the natural number in some base, most natural number will correspond to random sequence, in the strong computer-science sense, which means that the shorter program to describe the sequence is as long as the sequence itself (the information contained in the sequence cannot be algorithmically compressed). Up to some constant, that randomness can be shown objective (independent of the programming language chosen for the sequence description).

Another form of randomness is subjective, and due to the fact that no machine can determine the computations which support them (there are infinitely many of them in arithmetic).

In my evaluation of the Evidence. I find none such things. To the contrary, I find Only undiscovered patterns which is from a lack of information. Or. In other words computationally, a lack of Varables to hold the required data for proper evaluation.

Also, the Lack of Recognition of the true nature of Man, is and forever will confound people who have no knowledge of the tunnelhe Creator.  Without knowing first that man is a spirit, and the source of Man's intellect, is from that spirit, the unInformed man will always struggle with all of incorporeal and corporeal reckonings that he considers.

Thus to find an answer to explain and fill obvious gaps, he will invent illogical and superstitious conundrums that further remove them from his grasp.

Freud, Jung, psy, card, palm, entrails. Stars, etc.. All superstitions not based on any truth, fact, nor evidence.

 

I name Freud etal because they had no idea the true source of dreams, visions, or nightmares.

As for QM, given my anti nihilistic and anti random positions, I wonder how QM would be affected as a theory or proposal if random were excluded explicitly and completely?

“QM" is a bit ambiguous. There are manly two theories. Roughly described you have a purely deterministic theory with only one axiom: the Schroedinger Equation (or the Heisenberg equation). That is called also the Everett theory, or the Many-World theory, and the Copenhagen theory which adds the wave-collapse postulate. 

The first theory has no “objective” randomness, and the experimental randomness occurence is explained by the Mechanist first person or subjective randomness due to the entanglement of oneself. The randomness in this case is the mechanist consciousness self selection. 

The second theory introduces, or reifies, the randomness, making it objective, by making the consciousness selection into a physical phenomenon, and in that case, it can be shown that such a randomness is irreducible or incompatible with special relativity (non covariance of the hidden variable theory, cf EPR, Bell, Aspect…).

Tell me?  Would Hs cat still live? 

In the Everett theory, yes, the cat is alive in some branches of the wave, and dead in some other branches, and when you look at the cat, you multiply yourself accordingly. The randomness is subjective.

In the Copenhagen theory, you don’t multiplied, and there is a chance you see it alive, or dead, but only one alternative occurs, with a provably irreducible randomness.

Would Al still call it spooky? 

EPR shows that indeed, the collapse of the wave has to be Faster than Light, making it spooky, as Einstein said. But no spookiness with the first theory, except the one through consciousness selection (a phenomenon no more mysterious than amoeba self-division).

Does a qbit Formed or aligned between 2 plates, separated at birth, behave that way bc of spookiness or bc of undiscovered pattern? The cat lives or dies only bc we cannot yet know of approaching quanta that would pierce the poison filled container.  When will the useless speculation end?

About Reality, we can only speculate. The very idea that there is a Reality is already a sort of speculation, but it is useful, and indeed probably pre-programmed as a sort of instinct. Now, with Mechanism, most of the quantum weirdness is reduced to our self-multiplication in arithmetic (since the 1930s, we know that all computations are executed, in a “block-universe” atemporal, and “aspatial” manner in the arithmetical reality, making the quantum into the natural way arithmetic is seen from inside arithmetic by universal number(*). The price top pay is that physics is no more the fundamental science, and has to be recovered from arithmetic and self-reference. … and this works, making the physical ontological universe into a … useless and misleading speculation, indeed.

In this case, no need of a creation, and thus no need for a creator, except perhaps for elementary arithmetic.

Happy New Year!

Bruno

(*) take a recursive (computable) enumeration of all one-input programs in some (fixed) universal programming language, and suppose that (x, y) is a bijection between N^2 and N:

P1, P2, P3, …

A number u  is universal (relatively to that programming language) if Pu(x,y) = Px(y)

(A number u is universal+ if not only Pu(x,y) = Px(y), but u has the cognitive ability to prove this identity. Physics, with Mechanism, has to be recovered from the mathematics of u’s self-reference ability. I can give references on this, if interested).

/s/ the AnonymousMonk.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020, 10:08 Philip Benjamin <medin...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Philip Benjamin   Tuesday, December 15, 2020 9:03 AM   general...@googlegroups.com  Subject: {Consciousness-Online} Wishing a Joyful Christmas & Happy New Year

 

[Philip Benjamin]

    Words have meaning when humans with consciousness use and validate them cognitively. What came first? Words or meaning? Or both simultaneously with grammar? Is language a creation of, or an endowment to, humans? If the former, who or what prewired the brain for all languages and how? If the latter, who is the endower?   (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/04/140417191620.htm; Prof. Iris Berent of Northeastern University and researchers at Harvard Medical School).

     For example, GOODBYE = God Be With You. God here is “from Proto-Germanic guthan (source also of Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Dutch god, Old High German got, German Gott, Old Norse guð, Gothic guþ), which is of uncertain origin; perhaps from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (source also of Old Church Slavonic zovo "to call," Sanskrit huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke." The notion could be "divine entity summoned to a sacrifice” https://www.etymonline.com/word/god;  https://wahiduddin.net/words/name_god.htm). 

       That is not the same as the Augustinian God of the Scriptures (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine); Augustine later attributed this to 100% the WORK of Adonai (plural) YHWH (singular) Elohim (uni-plural), with Patriarchal, Prophetic and Apostolic revelatory imprimatur, the very foundation of modern Western Civilization of which WAMP-the-Ingrate is the stealing beneficiary. It is Augustine who pulled out the West from Greco-Roman paganism of individual un-awakened, kundalini/reptilian consciousness. He himself was a profligate pagan of Greco-Roman roots until his unintended encounter with the Scriptures (https://www.midwestaugustinians.org/conversion-of-st-augustine)

       Christmas originally meant Mass of the Christ Child. [Mass is derived from the Latin formula for the dismissal of the congregation: Ite, missa est (“Go, it is the sending or dismissal)].The first Century church was 100% Jewish (12, 120, 500, 3000, 5000, then multitudes both men and women from all social strata including priests (but no Sadducee is ever mentioned as a disciple). For a Jewish Synagogue to observe First Day as Worship Day instead of the Seventh Day (Acts 20: 7, 11), something sky-rending and earth-shaking has to occur, which undeniably was First Day Resurrection. There is no “blind leap” of make-belief here, but an objective Berean way of searching and being assured (Acts 17:10-13).     

                                                       WAMP = Western Acade-Media Pagan(ism).

Philip Benjamin 

 

                                          Colossians 1:11. “strengthened with all might, according to His glorious power, for all patience and longsuffering with joy”

Nehemiah 8:10.  “Do not grieve, for the joy of the LORD is your strength.”

Romans 15:13. “May the Adonai of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.” (What hope has the WAMP got?)

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 Philip Benjamin.

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