Hegel in a Wired Brain

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Philip Thrift

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Jul 25, 2020, 5:29:44 AM7/25/20
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Hegel's 250th birtthday is next month.


New book:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/48925362-hegel-in-a-wired-brain


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Sounds interesting from an interesting contemporary philosopher. I think (without reading it) that Hegel would be confused at the science we have since discovered, and who would blame him? 150 years later, I suspect Wittgenstein would've picked up on neurobiology-cognitive science-computing, like a shot! This is just my speculation, and thanks for the book notification.


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Philip Thrift

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“the dialectical constitutes the moving soul
  of scientific progression”
-- G.W.F. Hegel


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On Saturday, July 25, 2020 at 12:32:48 PM UTC-5 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
Sounds interesting from an interesting contemporary philosopher. I think (without reading it) that Hegel would be confused at the science we have since discovered, and who would blame him? 150 years later, I suspect Wittgenstein would've picked up on neurobiology-cognitive science-computing, like a shot! This is just my speculation, and thanks for the book notification.


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Hegel's 250th birthday is next month.

Bruno Marchal

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Jul 27, 2020, 12:41:22 PM7/27/20
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On 25 Jul 2020, at 19:32, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Sounds interesting from an interesting contemporary philosopher. I think (without reading it) that Hegel would be confused at the science we have since discovered, and who would blame him? 150 years later, I suspect Wittgenstein would've picked up on neurobiology-cognitive science-computing, like a shot! This is just my speculation, and thanks for the book notification.


Hegel missed the Phenomenology of Matter.  Phenomenology of Mind or Spirit is an oxymoron.

Russell and Wittgenstein missed Gödel’s theorem.

Lucas and Penrose missed the key fact that PA, PM, ZF, do *not* miss Gödel’s theorem.

The neuro-study of brain will teach us a lot on the human and mammal intelligence, but not so much about consciousness, as it would be like understanding how deep blue win a chess game by looking at the theory of electronic transistor. 
Consciousness is a high level semantic fixed point. It is the (arithmetical) truth, when known immediately, which is indubitable and experienced (first person) yet non rationally definable, and non definable without invoking the notion truth or reality. All universal number have it, but it is very plausibly a highly “altered state of consciousness”. It is the initial state before the first differentiation/histories possibles.

Bruno




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Hegel's 250th birtthday is next month.


New book:



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Philip Thrift

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Jul 27, 2020, 1:12:25 PM7/27/20
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> Hegel missed the Phenomenology of
> Matter. Phenomenology of Mind or
> Spirit is an oxymoron.
> Bruno

"Matter is considered by the German philosopher to be a fleeting trace of the infinite process of reality – a process which can never be exhausted in the various (however legitimate) constructions of the positive sciences."

Hegel and Matter: Does the German Philosopher Still Have Something to Tell Us?

https://www.cairn-int.info/article-E_LEPH_064_0537--hegel-and-matter-does-the-german.htm

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Brent Meeker

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Jul 27, 2020, 3:41:34 PM7/27/20
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I like Shermer and his sense of humor in the way that liked George Carlin, with Carlin being the brighter of the two. Beyond this, well maybe mind and spirit are just old fashioned terms by the ancients (DOTA?) for quantum electron dynamics skipping the Planck length? If this is the view, then yeah, everything is material. For philosophy the 'dualism,' ain't Descartes, but close enough for government work, as we say, stateside. Again, we drift into Wittgenstein's semiotics! 


Philip Thrift

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Jul 28, 2020, 4:48:10 AM7/28/20
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I don't think Michael Shermer - who  rants on his Twitter feed about those who have "fallen for regressive left's obsession with race" - is like George Carlin. I find him repulsive.

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Bruno Marchal

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Jul 28, 2020, 12:59:02 PM7/28/20
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On 27 Jul 2020, at 23:26, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I like Shermer and his sense of humor in the way that liked George Carlin, with Carlin being the brighter of the two. Beyond this, well maybe mind and spirit are just old fashioned terms by the ancients (DOTA?) for quantum electron dynamics skipping the Planck length? If this is the view, then yeah, everything is material. For philosophy the 'dualism,' ain't Descartes, but close enough for government work, as we say, stateside. Again, we drift into Wittgenstein's semiotics! 


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You haven't by chance attended this course? 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLRdTugBInz1_8dZtuR7G4jWUYj6yVWUsg&time_continue=1&v=CD8HeoZF9cM&feature=emb_logo

Brent

On 7/27/2020 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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I did not wrote the text above, and the video illustrate very well what the materialist are doing since 1500 years, by making people believe diverse things without one ounce of evidence. And yes, the text above makes one of the “error” (the truly dishonest mix of ideas) that we can accuse materialist and false mystics to do all the times. I hope you see that my work not only is at the opposite of such technics, but it gives the tools to avoid it, and illustrates that we can do theology with the scientific method, where there is no more question of agreement, but of assessing validity or showing some invalid step in the reasoning.

When you quote someone, be careful to mention who you quote, because your post is a bit misleading. The video and my work target the same kind of systematic dishonesty.

You said that you are open that the physical universe is not an ontologically existing thing, and so the last point I would like to know is if you have understood that the discovery of the universal machines, and all their computations, in arithmetic, explains the existence of both consciousness and the physical appearances *without* having to make any ontological commitment, except on the truth of 2+2=4 and alike. The discovery of the universal machine in arithmetic reverses the burden of the proof, and as materialist are unable to provide any evidence on primary matter and physicalism, contrary to the mechanist (cf Darwin, Everett) where the evidences abound, we can safely believe that materialism will disappear like vitalisme disappeared in biology, as mere comfortable superstition The physical laws have a reason, a precise and testable reason that we should look upon if interested in metaphysics/theology.

Bruno


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Phillip, just to be clear, he is big on favoring a different set of rules for Black people, in superiority over others, specifically Whites and East Asians? If he has descended to ideology (a faith without a god) then he is just another totalitarian. George Carlin was brilliant, and I liked his puns, intellectual or not? He loved absurdity.

For Shermer back 15 years ago when he tweaked A.C. Clarke's First Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Shermer changed it to Shermer's last law: "Any sufficiently advanced alien is indistinguishable from God." When I first read that, I said: SOLD! (gavel bangs). One thing among my many flaws are, is not ungrateful. Thanks for the heads up about Shermer's descent into 'virtue signalling self righteous totalitarianism." My own phrase for this phenomena. 

My current obsession on cognitive-bio-physics, was a paper led by physicist (2018) led by Andrew Strominger:


This was also Stephen Hawking's last paper:

Guilio Prisco is a retired Italian physicist who worked at CERN (setting up the computer systems there), and then worked for the ESA. He now lives in Hungary, a very neat guy!


Prisco coathered a book with AI-Robotics guru Ben Goertzel ten years ago, The Cosmist Manifesto. 

Take care!

Mitch

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