Trumps September 27 COVID-19 superspreader event

[John Clark]

According to today's New York Times because of the fear of bad publicity the White House has decided to ignore the advice of epidemiologists and not to use contact tracing for the September 27 outdoor but mask free superspreader event that announced the latest Trump flunky to be on the supreme court. As of this writing at least 14 people since that ceremony have gotten COVID-19, including President Donald J Trump, wife Melania Trump, Senator Mike Lee, Senator Thom Tillis, Trump aid Hope Hicks, Governor Chris Christie, Trump aid Nicolas Luna, professional liar Kellyanne Conway, Republican chairwoman Ronna McDanie, president of Notre Dame Reverend John Jenkins, Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien, pastor Greg Laurie, Trump assistant press secretary Karoline Leavitt, and professional liar Kayleigh Mcenany.

Remember the theory that mask free ceremonies were OK as long as they were held outdoors? Ah the good old days! 

John K Clark 

[spudb...@aol.com]

Now, we run up against a trans-political phenomena. Who to believe when the experts are in dispute? Because masks, no mask, human contact, no contact, were all in the mix early this year.  If the reps wore no masks then bingo, yeah, you have it.  If some wore masks and others did not, then we trace to see who went without and line up who contracted (specifically) and who did not? Also, there is the focus on how it is safe to riot (being epidemiologically safe) and magically, any Rep rally is magically poisonous? We don't have a laundry list yet of democrats who contracted Covid, nor, have I yet attempted to build such a list. When the democrats who comprise almost all of the so called news orgs never attempt to perform this task, says something. Outside rallies and no masks are a thing of the past in any case.

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 6:19 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> Who to believe when the experts are in dispute?

The experts are NOT in dispute. The consensus is as close to being unanimous as the scientific community ever gets that face masks work and could save tens of thousands of lives. I find it astonishing that people who claim to be rational are still generating lame excuses for the idiotic behavior of Donald Trump.

And by the way, in just the 12 hours since I started this thread the number of people that Trump has been close to in the last few days that has become infected with COVID-19 has increased from 14 to 24 ; including Trump's valet, 3 White House reporters, Pastor Greg Laurie, 2 White House communication aids Chad Gilmartin and Karoline Leavitt, an unnamed military staffer “directly assigned to support the President”, 2 members of the housekeeping staff, and Admiral Charles Ray who recently met with Trump, got infected, and forced the entire joint Chiefs of staff's of the military to put themselves in quarantine. Thanks to Donald Trump's irresponsible behavior the White House has now become the most intense COVID-19 hotspot in the entire nation.

 

> We don't have a laundry list yet of democrats who contracted Covid, nor, have I yet attempted to build such a list. When the democrats who comprise almost all of the so called news orgs never attempt to perform this task,

No Democratic senator has been infected with COVID-19 but 4 Republican senators have been, Mike Lee, Thom Tillis, Bill Cassidy, and Rand Paul, and 2 Republican senators James Lankford and Ben Sasse are now in quarantine and time will tell if they too are infected. If a comparable list of Democrats could be compiled you can be quite sure Fox News would put it on a loop and air it 24-7, but they can't because such a list does not exist. Democrats use facemasks, fools do not.

John K Clark

[Lawrence Crowell]

[Brent Meeker]

On 10/6/2020 3:19 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Now, we run up against a trans-political phenomena. Who to believe when the experts are in dispute?

That's why you need education.   If you can read the papers and understand the data you tell who's argument is good and who's a flack.

Brent

[John Clark]

I wrote a post llong long ago, nearly 30 minutes, that is now obsolete because you now must add Trump's very close aide Steven Miller to the list of people who work in the White House that have become infected with COVID-19. Donald Trump is the 21st century version of Typhoid Mary.

John K Clark

[spudb...@aol.com]

Well on education, I will say, no biggie. I did live through the same period of the Wuhan infection as you have and do remember experts having different opinions on masks. Also, on the exact progress of this plague was not helped by conflicting reports from epidemiologists. For instance:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/health/china-virus-who-emergency.html

Maybe bias is a thing with these holy scientists like it is with the rest of us? Maybe, we need to see how well their fearless forecasts actually turn out in real life, before we can rightly decide? 

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[PGC]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 9:41:48 AM UTC+2 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Well on education, I will say, no biggie. I did live through the same period of the Wuhan infection as you have

Sure, which makes you a qualified epidemiologist just like it made our supreme leader, who used a blend of HCQ and bleach injected into his testicles to:

1) Defeat Covid  (you did buy the commemorative coin, like everybody on our team)

2) Produce so much testosterone, he shared it with the lesser men in a military hospital

3) Breathe so well, by the time he was leaving the hospital, he was teaching his doctors and security detail in his joy ride SUV how to breath without oxygen

 

and do remember experts having different opinions on masks. Also, on the exact progress of this plague was not helped by conflicting reports from epidemiologists. For instance:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/health/china-virus-who-emergency.html

Yeah, they're always learning and self-correcting... which means basically they revert to squabbling humans and are no longer epidemiologists with years of training, context, and experience in those "complex" fields... unlike our team which has a constant eye on news cycles rather than scientifically reviewed papers (they're all liars and cheats! Remember the Lancet retraction!), reports of ongoing clinical trials, actual patient experience by "self-described expert medical professionals", which are not even referenced on wikipedia?!

 

Maybe bias is a thing with these holy scientists like it is with the rest of us? Maybe, we need to see how well their fearless forecasts actually turn out in real life, before we can rightly decide?

But that's what they want! Always "wait, wait, wait... for safety blah blah". Who cares about safety and why wait? Our supreme leader kicked the wuhan flu so you can too! His treatment is completely available to everybody in the middle class, if they can afford it, which is why he remains the de facto champion of the middle class. Nobody has anything to fear if they make a few 100k per month. Also, on our team we don't need vaccines, which again, our supreme leader proved with his heroic act. 

But if you have to take a vaccine now, I've recently tried the Russian one and there are no side effects except У меня вырос третий глаз на носу, два дополнительных соска (один за ухом и два на заднице), но в остальном я в полном порядке. PGC

 

[spudb...@aol.com]

Yeah, this reminds me of a cartoon featuring Futurama's Professor Farnsworth yelling, "Good news everyone! We've found a cure for Covid! It's rioting!" It's good to remember that Orange guy was created by the democrats for abandoning middle class USA, in favor of their crony capitalist'$ favorite nation, Xi's China.  See, I don't need the ad hominem stuff, when the entire Team Dem behaves, in obedience to their ideology, their worst practices, their Oligarch$/funders that handed the country over to Cap'n Orange. It's not just one guy, (Alinsky's Rule 13), it all of the dems. Some, will surely sit out 2020, out of fear and disgust, giving Orange dude a plurality again. 

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[Alan Grayson]

On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 2:35:53 PM UTC-6, spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Yeah, this reminds me of a cartoon featuring Futurama's Professor Farnsworth yelling, "Good news everyone! We've found a cure for Covid! It's rioting!" It's good to remember that Orange guy was created by the democrats for abandoning middle class USA, in favor of their crony capitalist'$ favorite nation, Xi's China.  See, I don't need the ad hominem stuff, when the entire Team Dem behaves, in obedience to their ideology, their worst practices, their Oligarch$/funders that handed the country over to Cap'n Orange. It's not just one guy, (Alinsky's Rule 13), it all of the dems. Some, will surely sit out 2020, out of fear and disgust, giving Orange dude a plurality again. 

You're only half right. Mainstream democrats like Hillary and Biden AND republicans endorsed Globalism, which is why, IMO, Trump won in 2016. AG

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On Wednesday, October 7, 2020 at 9:41:48 AM UTC+2 spudb...@aol.com wrote:

Well on education, I will say, no biggie. I did live through the same period of the Wuhan infection as you have

Sure, which makes you a qualified epidemiologist just like it made our supreme leader, who used a blend of HCQ and bleach injected into his testicles to:

1) Defeat Covid  (you did buy the commemorative coin, like everybody on our team)

2) Produce so much testosterone, he shared it with the lesser men in a military hospital

3) Breathe so well, by the time he was leaving the hospital, he was teaching his doctors and security detail in his joy ride SUV how to breath without oxygen

 

and do remember experts having different opinions on masks. Also, on the exact progress of this plague was not helped by conflicting reports from epidemiologists. For instance:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/health/china-virus-who-emergency.html

Yeah, they're always learning and self-correcting... which means basically they revert to squabbling humans and are no longer epidemiologists with years of training, context, and experience in those "complex" fields... unlike our team which has a constant eye on news cycles rather than scientifically reviewed papers (they're all liars and cheats! Remember the Lancet retraction!), reports of ongoing clinical trials, actual patient experience by "self-described expert medical professionals", which are not even referenced on wikipedia?!

 

Maybe bias is a thing with these holy scientists like it is with the rest of us? Maybe, we need to see how well their fearless forecasts actually turn out in real life, before we can rightly decide?

But that's what they want! Always "wait, wait, wait... for safety blah blah". Who cares about safety and why wait? Our supreme leader kicked the wuhan flu so you can too! His treatment is completely available to everybody in the middle class, if they can afford it, which is why he remains the de facto champion of the middle class. Nobody has anything to fear if they make a few 100k per month. Also, on our team we don't need vaccines, which again, our supreme leader proved with his heroic act. 

But if you have to take a vaccine now, I've recently tried the Russian one and there are no side effects except У меня вырос третий глаз на носу, два дополнительных соска (один за ухом и два на заднице), но в остальном я в полном порядке. PGC

 

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[Bruno Marchal]

On 7 Oct 2020, at 02:12, John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

I wrote a post llong long ago, nearly 30 minutes, that is now obsolete because you now must add Trump's very close aide Steven Miller to the list of people who work in the White House that have become infected with COVID-19. Donald Trump is the 21st century version of Typhoid Mary.

Trump is killing the republicans and his voters, but he does not care because he does not intend to listen to the election result either.

Why would he care? He has been exonerated for all his cheating up to now, why would he ever care about election’s result. If Biden win, he will just say fake news, and if people protested he will, with the AG send the troops.

If you read the book by Mary Trump, you can see how losing has never been an option for Donald, even when he was a kid, ever, no matter what.  He will not be a bad loser, because he is just not a loser at all. He lacks the concept!

November will be hot. Interesting, and frightening. The fight will not be between left and right, but between democracy and tyranny, not just in the US.

Bruno

John K Clark

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[Lawrence Crowell]

On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 4:18:55 AM UTC-5 Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 7 Oct 2020, at 02:12, John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

I wrote a post llong long ago, nearly 30 minutes, that is now obsolete because you now must add Trump's very close aide Steven Miller to the list of people who work in the White House that have become infected with COVID-19. Donald Trump is the 21st century version of Typhoid Mary.

Trump is killing the republicans and his voters, but he does not care because he does not intend to listen to the election result either.

Why would he care? He has been exonerated for all his cheating up to now, why would he ever care about election’s result. If Biden win, he will just say fake news, and if people protested he will, with the AG send the troops.

If you read the book by Mary Trump, you can see how losing has never been an option for Donald, even when he was a kid, ever, no matter what.  He will not be a bad loser, because he is just not a loser at all. He lacks the concept!

November will be hot. Interesting, and frightening. The fight will not be between left and right, but between democracy and tyranny, not just in the US.

Bruno

Don-the-Con t'Rump is a malignant narcissist or sociopath. He is somewhere in the spectrum of personality disorders in one or between these two. He only cares about himself, and people are little more than disposable items he uses and discards. While I think he has racialized ideas, his white supremist leanings are a case of his using this as a way to galvanize his base. The man is a complete user; ask his past wives.

LC

 

John K Clark

[spudb...@aol.com]

Well, well see If he wins again? There is a sort of class warfare going on, either for purely financial advantage, or seemingly, a hunger for power. But even The Bern had billionaire Pierre Omidyar funding him.

 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/24/the-intercept-greenwald-grim-profile-media-politics-left-liberal-226710

Globalism seems unworkable, economically, for the global middle classes, and seems designed to concentrate all wealth and power in the hands of a Ruling Class (not unlike 1913). So, where does this leave us serfs? My suspicion is a large-scale national conflict (civil war is totally a 19th century term), with asymmetric warfare. This goes way, Beyond, who is the candidate, who gets "elected." What we haven't experienced yet are the mass casualties concurrent with such conflicts. If I were a betting hominid, and I am not, in such a situation between "The Resistance (founded 2017) and the Insurgents, created, accidentally,  by the dem ops, BLMTifa, I would bet on the Insurgents. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Scott Adams (I am not a huge fan) was suggesting that since we had never had a vaccine in the past that had beaten China's flu's (epidemiological reasons), that actual therapeutic treatments seemed (to him) to be emerging in studies. No, not your mortal foe hydrochloraquine, but the other drugs The Donald was subjected to? For me, I need proof for this speculation. His spec was that it might be easier to formulate rescue drugs (my term) than perfect a vac for the Wu. For myself, I don't care what the inception of a fix is, even voodoo, as long as it works. Now, where's my Kamala doll gone?

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[Lawrence Crowell]

You are typically wrong headed. Here is the ultimate background problem.

https://www.npr.org/2020/10/08/921782096/how-have-american-billionaires-gotten-richer-despite-pandemic-recession?fbclid=IwAR3fJXcJkZ-6g06Tn-QDrgSojnJFfxqiCW2Md__kzMCiimCohu6hzA0pU1c

LC

[Bruno Marchal]

On 8 Oct 2020, at 12:57, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfield...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, October 8, 2020 at 4:18:55 AM UTC-5 Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 7 Oct 2020, at 02:12, John Clark <johnk...@gmail.com> wrote:

I wrote a post llong long ago, nearly 30 minutes, that is now obsolete because you now must add Trump's very close aide Steven Miller to the list of people who work in the White House that have become infected with COVID-19. Donald Trump is the 21st century version of Typhoid Mary.

Trump is killing the republicans and his voters, but he does not care because he does not intend to listen to the election result either.

Why would he care? He has been exonerated for all his cheating up to now, why would he ever care about election’s result. If Biden win, he will just say fake news, and if people protested he will, with the AG send the troops.

If you read the book by Mary Trump, you can see how losing has never been an option for Donald, even when he was a kid, ever, no matter what.  He will not be a bad loser, because he is just not a loser at all. He lacks the concept!

November will be hot. Interesting, and frightening. The fight will not be between left and right, but between democracy and tyranny, not just in the US.

Bruno

Don-the-Con t'Rump is a malignant narcissist or sociopath. He is somewhere in the spectrum of personality disorders in one or between these two. He only cares about himself, and people are little more than disposable items he uses and discards.

I agree. I have met another Trump. The first denomination was “modal harasser”, but now “perverse narcissist” is more commonly used. They are serial career destroyer, and that can manipulate people by lie from the bottom of a society to its top by making people lying and unable to retract themselves without losing their notoriety. I have followed a case in the academic world of bresil through the net, until everything disappeared suddenly. The more dishonest people get close to the top, the more it is easy for them to win. I was not totally “sure” fro Trump, but the interview of Mary Trump adds a lot of evidences.

But the worst are those who knows and let him in power. The fact that Barr lied on the Mueller Report, and the senate acquitted Trump without even faking listen to the first hadn’t evidences… Trump is the mascot of all the bandits on the planet, and I think most people do not realise how powerful he is. 

The November election remind me Smullyan’s problem of what happen when an invincible missile encounter an indestructible wall.

While I think he has racialized ideas, his white supremist leanings are a case of his using this as a way to galvanize his base.

Those people are often racist because they see those who look like themselves only as accomplices in destroying the one dubbed enough alien. 

Nationalism come from coherent set of solipsists, somehow. From “I am the best”, you need “we are the best” to get power on the future accomplices. The accomplices are as much victim, but it is virtually impossible for them to admit it too.

The man is a complete user; ask his past wives.

He does that all the times, with everybody, beginning by its family. His ego, is proportional to his insecurity, and he is a con man escaping forward all the time. I wished since long (on Youtuibe) that Trump would be impeached *and* removed out of office well before the election, because, having been acquitted two times for cheating, why would he listen to the election result at all? If Biden win, he will say “fake news”, and his AG will send some police, with the help of the Militia, to insure “law and order”. 

 I still applaud for the move of the US Embassy to Jerusalem, Yet his betray of the Kurds is unforgivable. Here the leftist are unaware that the conflict in the Middle-East is manly due to the lack of courage of the Americans and Europeans to judge the  muslims who were nazi during WW II, like Al Husseini, who was close to Himmler, and the conflict there is mainly a war against nazis (not against Islam, nor against Arabs).

It was about time Facebook get Qanon out. Maybe to late.

Bruno

LC

 

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[Bruno Marchal]

On 8 Oct 2020, at 19:43, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Well, well see If he wins again? There is a sort of class warfare going on, either for purely financial advantage, or seemingly, a hunger for power. But even The Bern had billionaire Pierre Omidyar funding him.

 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/24/the-intercept-greenwald-grim-profile-media-politics-left-liberal-226710

Globalism seems unworkable, economically, for the global middle classes,

I doubt this.

and seems designed to concentrate all wealth and power in the hands of a Ruling Class (not unlike 1913).

There are bandits and liars, we have just to denunciate them, and show the lies. Choosing Petrol in the petrol/hemp bifurcation was a wrong turn, due to lies. All the evidences are there, including people knew that using plant cadavers in place of plans would lead to heating the climate globally. 

So, where does this leave us serfs? My suspicion is a large-scale national conflict (civil war is totally a 19th century term), with asymmetric warfare. This goes way, Beyond, who is the candidate, who gets "elected." What we haven't experienced yet are the mass casualties concurrent with such conflicts. If I were a betting hominid, and I am not, in such a situation between "The Resistance (founded 2017) and the Insurgents, created, accidentally,  by the dem ops, BLMTifa, I would bet on the Insurgents. 

Democracy is what make polite debate possible, and it can maximise the consensus and optimise satisfaction, so now November 2020 is crucial. I don’t think democracy would stay alive with Trump again for 4 years. If the US democracy dies, the EU democracy will die, and we will deepen the obscurantism, and the taste the mix of tyranny and hyper technology for maybe a millenium more, before coming back to it, as it is mandatory for the long run. (I think that this is also the reason why we have two brains, but that I can explain later perhaps).

Bruno

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The character of Joe Biden or Kamala is never in question?  The Left must live in a hermetically sealed container. Joe has been womanizing politician all his career. He is as pure as, both Trump and Bill Clinton.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-urge-joe-biden-to-address-sexual-assault-allegation-11588276919

Sex, is a thing that is comparatively unimportant for me, in an epoch where the USA has a good chance of diving into a civil war. Sex, is not high on my Abe Maslow, hierarchy of needs regarding politics.  Secondly, we know from the FBI now, that investigation signed by Obama was going on during Trump' s run for office and right into 2019. Allow me to educate. 

https://apnews.com/article/b9b3c7ef398d00d5dfee9170d66cefec

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/14/902518714/ex-fbi-lawyer-charged-in-case-linked-to-alleged-abuse-of-surveillance-power

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53784048

Here, from July, is Professor Jonathan Turley, from GW University, declaiming the dem media go-along with the conspiracy.

None of the above sources I have used are Don friendly, and however, the truth will out. I wonder if by the 12th of November, we will already be in a shooting war? Thanks democrats. Not my idea of the 21st century, but my wee voice doesn't count. One has to have lots of money to successfully bribe politicians. $$

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/12/2020 5:23 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

The character of Joe Biden or Kamala is never in question?  The Left must live in a hermetically sealed container. Joe has been womanizing politician all his career. He is as pure as, both Trump and Bill Clinton.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-urge-joe-biden-to-address-sexual-assault-allegation-11588276919

Well then Repugs will be fine with him, since they worship the pussy-grabber.

Sex, is a thing that is comparatively unimportant for me, in an epoch where the USA has a good chance of diving into a civil war. Sex, is not high on my Abe Maslow, hierarchy of needs regarding politics.  Secondly, we know from the FBI now, that investigation signed by Obama was going on during Trump' s run for office and right into 2019. Allow me to educate. 

https://apnews.com/article/b9b3c7ef398d00d5dfee9170d66cefec

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/14/902518714/ex-fbi-lawyer-charged-in-case-linked-to-alleged-abuse-of-surveillance-power

The first, and only, fruit of a witch hunt ordered by the President specifically to find something wrong with the investigation into his cahoots with Russia.  It was change in the wording of an email in support of surveillance of Carter Page...who was already dealing with the Russians.  The DoJ Inspector General had already investigated the same question and concluded  there was "no documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced" the opening of the counterintelligence investigation.  But Barr and Trump didn't like that result and so created another one.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53784048

Here, from July, is Professor Jonathan Turley, from GW University, declaiming the dem media go-along with the conspiracy.

None of the above sources I have used are Don friendly, and however, the truth will out.

Jonathan Turley is a flack for executive power.  And the truth to out is that the Trump campaign did conspire with the Russians.

I wonder if by the 12th of November, we will already be in a shooting war?

It's not the Dems carrying rifles into the Michigan capitol.

Thanks democrats. Not my idea of the 21st century, but my wee voice doesn't count. One has to have lots of money to successfully bribe politicians. $$

Like Exxon and the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelson and Big Pharma and the Saudis and Putin.

Brent

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Sure Bruno, for brains the amygdala-limbic and the cerebral, all due to the wonder of evolution! Having said this, most of the totalitarianism comes from the Left nowadays, the neonazi types are closer to being an opportunistic bacteria, that follows the ravages of the virus (communism-maoism-stalinism). For the US, these people are in a constant war against free speech, and as you have indicated before, funded by a 'Kolectiv' of globalist corporations, seemingly. 

That Pierre Omidyar supported Bernie financially seems to be true. Trump is not the Great Enemy, but instead a wheeler-dealer real estate tycoon who's bets have paid off. On Ego? His ego is off the Richter scale, and I need not dispute what is the fact! On psychopathic tendencies, the political class is made up chiefly, from lawyers, barristers, attorneys. In the US, like with British Labor, they were once the party l(ong-ago) of the working-middle class, but no more! We may be in a downward cycle of orientalism (they once called it), technology married to  tyranny (Xi, being Merkel's new friend!), however in the US, being insane, barbaric, cowboys, that we are, likely won't give up without a battle against the elites. I see Orange Man as a typical, business Republican, save, that he knows that if the middle class goes, the America will too. 

Please expand on neuroscience when you get the chance.

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Brent, just to keep it all real, and I do mean real as in evidence related, allow me to state 2 things please.

1) There are no Billionaire goodguys for the middle class and the funders of both US political parties are Crony Capitalist$. To reinterate, no goodguys among the Globalist$. Know commonly as oligarchs.

2) we can only find a small portion of the ruling class that we find aggreable to. The rest of the time they running right around us, and it will take sustained street action (I am not a legal eagle) to compel the Rich, who bribe the politicians) to curtail some their bribery, or it's adverse impact upon the middle class.

The billionaires club, Brent, are almost too numerous to mention, who are now funding the Biden campaign, and the congressional democrat campaigns. The billionaires you listed in your latest epistle, are or course true, and no billionaire appears to do things out of the kindness of their hearts. They all, assuredly quietly, need something in return. In the case of the dem billionaires, Silicon Valley, the Hedge Funders, Entertainment, I suspect it's an easy policy on Xi's China as reward. Biden will tax us higher, yes, but we'll make cash off the Mainland Chinese. 

For the Republican billionaires, yes, sweetheart defense contracts. The advantage with more natonalist leadership is, yes Comrade Xi is really after killing the United States, and we have a chance, of rebuilding some of the factories (no robots yet as once predicted!) to the US. This, alone, will benefit the US middle class. Yes,I am aware of Smoot-Hawley, No, I am not content with some autarky.

Greater than the emotional political war that we have entered into, for us peasants, the better question is, 'what technologies can we perfect to improve the human condition, nationally, and globally?' This, to me, as a serf, is the existential question that I pose. 

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On 13 Oct 2020, at 02:23, spudb...@aol.com wrote:

The character of Joe Biden or Kamala is never in question? 

Not concerning their acceptance of the rule of law and democracy. The election was not between left and right, but between democracy and tyranny.

Since Trump has been acquitted by the senate, he behaves already like a dictator. Why the republican accept this is a bit of a mystery, but I suspect bullying or blackmailing in the background (it looks more and more like what happened in Brussels …).

I have to say that the victory of Biden is a big relief for me, and I really want to congratulate the Americans for those elections, very well done, with a big participation, despite covid-19.

But, as expected (if only because Trump warned us in advance), to win the election will not make Trump and the Trumpists disappear…. (I have explained (on YouTube, right after Barr lied on the Mueller Report) that it should be much more easy to put Trump (and Barr, Pompeo, …) out of office before the election than after, especially if Trump lost them (!).

The fact that about 72 millions of people voted for someone not showing his taxes is a sort of mystery to me. I suspect a lack of education … in logic. (Well, I have independent reason to suspect a quasi international problem of lack of education investment...).

I am probably more republican than democrat, but I prefer an honest opponent than a dishonest ally.

 

BTW, I consider Trump to belong to the extreme-left (you need this to show such deference toward Putin, Xi, Kim-Young-Un. It is revealing to see the name of the foreigners who congratulated Biden (Europa, UK, Australia, Israel) and those who did not (the dictatorships).

Trump deserves jail, and he knows it well, that is why he does not concede, he has nothing to lose… Trump is the poorest man on the planet (as Ivanka Trump explained once…). He is also the most dishonest.

Biden and Harris have made 0 faults in their campaign (except some terrible lapsus by Biden, lol).

All the best,

Bruno

[Bruno Marchal]

On 13 Oct 2020, at 03:35, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Sure Bruno, for brains the amygdala-limbic and the cerebral, all due to the wonder of evolution!

OK.

Having said this, most of the totalitarianism comes from the Left nowadays,

In a democracy, we oscillate between left and right, and that is the right thing to do… As I said, with Trump it is different. He is not a politician at all.

the neonazi types are closer to being an opportunistic bacteria, that follows the ravages of the virus (communism-maoism-stalinism). For the US, these people are in a constant war against free speech, and as you have indicated before, funded by a 'Kolectiv' of globalist corporations, seemingly. 

Prohibition has been global, and there has been a collusion between the racist (anti-American) and the petrol (and derived product) corporations. When Barr lied to protect Trump, the “deep state” (the prohibitionist mafia) seems to have decided to side with Trump. Optimistically, this means there are put in the corner’s ring. They will fight, as we can see with Trump not conceding his election lost. 

Trump is saying loudly and cleariy to the Americans: “I do not trust you” ...

That Pierre Omidyar supported Bernie financially seems to be true. Trump is not the Great Enemy, but instead a wheeler-dealer real estate tycoon who's bets have paid off.

Imo, Trump is a con artist escaping forward since day one. 

On Ego? His ego is off the Richter scale,

OK. (That by itself is a good reason to not vote for him). But just not showing his taxes should be enough. He is the first president to not show his taxes.

and I need not dispute what is the fact! On psychopathic tendencies, the political class is made up chiefly, from lawyers, barristers, attorneys. In the US, like with British Labor, they were once the party l(ong-ago) of the working-middle class, but no more!

We will see. I will not judge Biden too much quickly. His discourse are perfect though, which is already a lot. But he is naïve by not realising that the Trumpers are basically against democracy and dialog...

We may be in a downward cycle of orientalism (they once called it), technology married to  tyranny (Xi, being Merkel's new friend!),

You can’t compare a democracy with a dictatorships...

however in the US, being insane, barbaric, cowboys, that we are, likely won't give up without a battle against the elites. I see Orange Man as a typical, business Republican, save, that he knows that if the middle class goes, the America will too. 

For a European, Trump seems to be at the extreme-left. Only the left defend inconditionally the Russian leader, since long (except the Italian communist party, actually).

Please expand on neuroscience when you get the chance.

I am not sure on what this refers too, but I can imagine. The brain is (for a mechanist) a sophisticated Turing universal machine, but a very particular one, and that particularity hides the general theory of consciousness (the knowledge of an incommunicable and undefinable truth) of all universal machine. To believe that we can understand consciousness by studying the brain would be like to believe we can undesrtand alpha-go by looking at the working of its transistor… Consciousness is a high level reality, and the material brain/universe is explained as a necessary persistent illusion of numbers in arithmetic. With mechanism, physics is a subbranch of machine or number prestidigitation ability. Computationalism is prestidigitalism. This reminds us also that there are never been any empirical evidence for an ontological physical universe. People are just confusing the physical reality (that nobody doubts) and an ontological physical reality. That confusion is known since Plato and the Dream-Argument. 

Ask any question, but I am aware that not many people get the difference between the semantic of arithmetic, where computations are executed and syntactical consideration (which describes observers only). Once you grasp that elementary (semantical) arithmetical reality execute all computations, the burden of the proof is in the hand of the physicalist. They have to explain what a physical reality is, and how it selects the computations in arithmetic, and this can’t work in the Mechanist setting, as I have explained here (and in most of my papers).

Bruno

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On 11/13/2020 1:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 13 Oct 2020, at 02:23, spudb...@aol.com wrote:

The character of Joe Biden or Kamala is never in question? 

Not concerning their acceptance of the rule of law and democracy. The election was not between left and right, but between democracy and tyranny.

Since Trump has been acquitted by the senate, he behaves already like a dictator. Why the republican accept this is a bit of a mystery, but I suspect bullying or blackmailing in the background (it looks more and more like what happened in Brussels …).

I have to say that the victory of Biden is a big relief for me, and I really want to congratulate the Americans for those elections, very well done, with a big participation, despite covid-19.

But, as expected (if only because Trump warned us in advance), to win the election will not make Trump and the Trumpists disappear…. (I have explained (on YouTube, right after Barr lied on the Mueller Report) that it should be much more easy to put Trump (and Barr, Pompeo, …) out of office before the election than after, especially if Trump lost them (!).

We tried to put him out before the election.  I don't know why think it would have been easier.  The Senate voted on straight party lines not to convict on his impeachment.  Every Republican politician is afraid, not so much of Trump, as of Trump's voters.  In every district a large majority of the Repbublican voters have supported Trump in 2016 and 2108.  So a Republican who doesn't at least pretend to support Trump has to estimate that he can get a big fraction of Democrats in his district to vote for him, because he's going to lose those Trump supporters.

The fact that about 72 millions of people voted for someone not showing his taxes is a sort of mystery to me. I suspect a lack of education … in logic. (Well, I have independent reason to suspect a quasi international problem of lack of education investment...).

Yes, it is those disaffected voters who voted for Trump because he was a disrupter, a rule breaker, and he blamed the same people they did for their problems: immigrants, gays, coastal elites, the well educated, Muslims, NATO, etc.  He validated their attitude that learning and expertise are worthless and their ignorance is just a good as your knowledge.   Like any autocrat, his support was fueled by fear and hatred of the other and grievances he promised to redress.

I am probably more republican than democrat, but I prefer an honest opponent than a dishonest ally.

 

BTW, I consider Trump to belong to the extreme-left (you need this to show such deference toward Putin, Xi, Kim-Young-Un. It is revealing to see the name of the foreigners who congratulated Biden (Europa, UK, Australia, Israel) and those who did not (the dictatorships).

The left is for strong government regulation, or even ownership, of the means of production, to the benefit of the worker.  The right is for complete lack of regulation so that the most powerful corporations can form monopolies and government's role is only to defend their rights of ownership.  So I'd say Trump is on the right.  But he's not really ideological.  He used to register as a Democrat and was pro-choice on abortion.  So his only real interest is Donald Trump.

Trump deserves jail, and he knows it well, that is why he does not concede, he has nothing to lose… Trump is the poorest man on the planet (as Ivanka Trump explained once…). He is also the most dishonest.

Biden and Harris have made 0 faults in their campaign (except some terrible lapsus by Biden, lol).

All the best,

Bruno

Is there not a populist, nativist faction rising in Belgium?

Brent

[Bruno Marchal]

On 13 Nov 2020, at 22:14, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

On 11/13/2020 1:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 13 Oct 2020, at 02:23, spudb...@aol.com wrote:

The character of Joe Biden or Kamala is never in question? 

Not concerning their acceptance of the rule of law and democracy. The election was not between left and right, but between democracy and tyranny.

Since Trump has been acquitted by the senate, he behaves already like a dictator. Why the republican accept this is a bit of a mystery, but I suspect bullying or blackmailing in the background (it looks more and more like what happened in Brussels …).

I have to say that the victory of Biden is a big relief for me, and I really want to congratulate the Americans for those elections, very well done, with a big participation, despite covid-19.

But, as expected (if only because Trump warned us in advance), to win the election will not make Trump and the Trumpists disappear…. (I have explained (on YouTube, right after Barr lied on the Mueller Report) that it should be much more easy to put Trump (and Barr, Pompeo, …) out of office before the election than after, especially if Trump lost them (!).

We tried to put him out before the election.  I don't know why think it would have been easier. 

If the (republican) senators just obeyed their oath of office, Trump would have been impeached after the hearing of the first-hand evidences. But after mocking the evidences provided so far as second-hand evidence (Hill, Veitman, …) they announced (Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, …) that they would not do that, and did not even tried to make a fake trial. I still don’t understand why the Dems, and all people in favour of some justice and accountability, did not react more strongly against the senators. 

The Senate voted on straight party lines not to convict on his impeachment.

With the noticeable exception: Romney. 

  Every Republican politician is afraid, not so much of Trump, as of Trump's voters.

A leader leads. A leader who is afraid of the voters is an opportunist crackpot without spine...

  In every district a large majority of the Repbublican voters have supported Trump in 2016 and 2108.  So a Republican who doesn't at least pretend to support Trump has to estimate that he can get a big fraction of Democrats in his district to vote for him, because he's going to lose those Trump supporters.

They swear to defend the interest of the American people, not they own personal job… (ideally)...

The fact that about 72 millions of people voted for someone not showing his taxes is a sort of mystery to me. I suspect a lack of education … in logic. (Well, I have independent reason to suspect a quasi international problem of lack of education investment...).

Yes, it is those disaffected voters who voted for Trump because he was a disrupter, a rule breaker, and he blamed the same people they did for their problems: immigrants, gays, coastal elites, the well educated, Muslims, NATO, etc. 

Yes, around me I see that Trump attracted a lot of anarchist. They are democracy haters.

He validated their attitude that learning and expertise are worthless and their ignorance is just a good as your knowledge.  

It is even better than any knowledge. Give them braid and games, and keep them ignorant …are the usual trick of the tyrans.

Like any autocrat, his support was fueled by fear and hatred of the other and grievances he promised to redress.

I am probably more republican than democrat, but I prefer an honest opponent than a dishonest ally.

 

BTW, I consider Trump to belong to the extreme-left (you need this to show such deference toward Putin, Xi, Kim-Young-Un. It is revealing to see the name of the foreigners who congratulated Biden (Europa, UK, Australia, Israel) and those who did not (the dictatorships).

The left is for strong government regulation, or even ownership, of the means of production, to the benefit of the worker.  The right is for complete lack of regulation so that the most powerful corporations can form monopolies and government's role is only to defend their rights of ownership. 

I guess I am a centrist as I am for a good regulation by a small government, with anti-monopolies law. I take to the right the freedom of enterprise, and to the left the defence of dignity and some amount of social security (including health) to all workers or people. Usually the right implements better the idea of the left, and vice-versa. The regulator is the democracy itself...

So I'd say Trump is on the right. 

Like China, and even Putin sort of right….

But he's not really ideological.

No indeed, his “ideology” is in saving himself … I think that any politician asking loyalty for himself, should be impeached at once. You can’t be loyal to a person and at the same time loyal to the people and the constitution. 

  He used to register as a Democrat and was pro-choice on abortion.  So his only real interest is Donald Trump.

Absolutely. Up to the point he really looks like a narcissist, which is just an solipsist. In the theology of the machine, it is (again) a confusion between the first person ([]p & p) and the third person ([]p). 

An adult is supposed to be able to separate p and []p. That is what babies do when developing their first theology (the belief that they have a Mother).

Now, solipsism can be collective, and that gives “nationalism” (as opposed to patriotism). All minds become one, through some obsessive hate or fear of the other. It is a bit like an Einstein-Bose condensation...

Trump deserves jail, and he knows it well, that is why he does not concede, he has nothing to lose… Trump is the poorest man on the planet (as Ivanka Trump explained once…). He is also the most dishonest.

Biden and Harris have made 0 faults in their campaign (except some terrible lapsus by Biden, lol).

All the best,

Bruno

Is there not a populist, nativist faction rising in Belgium?

Not rising. It has always been there, like in the whole Europa. It disguises itself into left or right, but it is just the usual racism and antisemtism. It is common to the extreme (both left and right). For the left, it takes often the form of antisionism, which is the politically correct presentation of antisemtism.

Antisemitism = no jews here

Antisionism = no jews there

Antisemitisme + antisionism = no jews anywhere = final solution = Nazism

The European and American have made a big mistake after WW II, they have conceded to the Arab League and they have subtracted the nazi of the Middle-East from the Nuremberg trial, and what we call “islamism” is only nazism disguised into a religion. The Middle-East conflict is just the second war which is not yet finished there… The Muslim Brotherhood is Nazi since 1942, and that strikes the eyes if you read the chart of the Hamas. That one is a conservative extension of “Mein Kampf”. The extension concerns the women which are seen as factory of soldier and martyr only.

We are a long way from the Golden Age of Islam, where theologians were scientist, and understood, from the study of greek neoplatonism, that a religion which is not laïc (separated from politics) is con-artistry only…

As I said, we will leave obscurantism and transform the Renaissance when theology is back at the faculty of science. Then the pseudo-religious superstitions  will be relegated to a paragraph in between the necrology and the horoscope in the Sunday magazine...

Bruno

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My own view is nuanced by the next month's determination of who really won? Like US senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, "we have a right to our own opinion, but not our own facts." In this situation where the elites, some of whom own Dominion, and apparently have fiddled with the software to ensure a Kamala-Joe win, (my assertion), then the US is in for some more trouble no matter who actually won? Like Joe Stalin said, "It doesn't matter who voted, what matters is who counts the votes?" So certain possibilities emerge, seemingly.

1. The Wuhan virus becomes highly treatable by the PFizer vaccine, and out of a sense of relief, people round the world are able to start and attend businesses, vacationing, and all the stuff we took for granted.

2. The vaccines provided don't really work that well (no matter who sits in the whitehouse) and we enter into a permanent recession. 

3. With that Crazy Orange Man gone, Xi decides to expand militarily into the Pacific because who's there to stop him?

4. The US, descends into a generalized civil conflict because Kamala-Joe and their voters, cannot abide the existence of the white racist nazi cracker Jesus constitution-racist denizens of the Flyover States. If one holds this as in any way accurate, and because even if Team, Kamala-Joe does mass arrests, confiscation of property, censorship, there will be a vigorous reaction. We'll do a Split. I would suggest that as former citizens of the once United States, we'd do this economically first, because who wants to trade with people who seek our deaths? I am willing to see this happen, simply to view if it is even workable, and it may not be? Consider it an experiment like Universal Income. 

5. I'd look to Joe-Mala to print up the money and (despite backing from Wall $treet, $ilicon Valley etc) drooling over China Trade resumed!!!) and start thinking, "yes the money is coming in from Xi and the US has agreed to withdraw from the Pacific,etc in exchange; but man, the Tax Rate has skyrocketed!!"! For the rich, the money flows in but then flows back out.

6. The Kam-Joe regime kicks Israel into thinking not only about deterrence, but having an actual system in place, like the Soviet Dead Hand launching thing. If I was them, I'd consider creating laser initiated  (sans, PU239 triggers) and produce thermonukes). One couldn't ensure survival, but one could ensure vengeance in the sense of what the Pentagon used to term "unacceptable damage." Caveat! I don't even know if this is even possible via physics?? I do know that Baby Kim was able to a traditional Soviet style nuclear bomb but no miracle lasers to achieve this-just the old stuff. A Iranian -Israel nuclear exchange seems plausible with the ascension of Joe-Kam. Could one threaten them with invasion, say Putin or Macron, to avert a nuclear holocaust!! (Alors!). Possibly, or one could wire fission devices together so that when a UN authorized NEST team shows up at the suspected facilities, things go poof in a very nasty way. 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/31/does-israel-really-have-a-thermonuclear-weapon/

Of course economic sanctions would be the rule of the day, but the good old days where this has a psychological impact may be gone? Or maybe not?

Dr. Marchal, does indeed know his fellow Europeans do, while out of their own narcissism, American leftists know only how they feel, but not what behavior and verbiage is actively occurring (my assertion!!). So yeah, the old reactionary right continues to goose step in outfits first designed by Hugo Boss 80 years ago, whilst the much more successful Left use their own form of ecumenical racism to gain power and employ enforcers. In Europe's case, the Islamists, here, BLMTifa. 

If I was a European, I would continue (as they must in secret?) considering continuity plans for survival beyond the time when the US, out of necessity or choice, disappears from the world stage. This may include placating Putin, or being nice-nice to Xi, or arming themselves to the teeth, lest anyone threaten them. Or, it could be that the citizens of the EU will also succumb to the mismanagement by the elites as the US has?  Oh well, this was all speculation and I am often very pleased to be wrong about things. 

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