Fwd: Eiffel name "stolen"

[Eric Bezault]

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Subject: Eiffel name "stolen"
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:53:54 +0200
From: Paolo Redaelli <paolo.r...@libero.it>
To: liberty-eiffel mailing list <liberty...@gnu.org>

They have been using the name "Eiffel" for a protocol thatenables
technology agnostic communication for CI/CD eco systems...

https://github.com/eiffel-community

[lrix]

Looks like some (not all) of the material has been taken down. It also appears that this is related to Ericsson (i.e. European phone company).

https://eiffel-community.github.io/

This is not to say the matter is dead. Eiffel Software ought to file a lawsuit IMHO. In the following page—dated August 11th, 2022—there is still a very fresh mention of Eiffel and CI/CD in the text. I will quote it below so they cannot erase it.

https://jobs.ericsson.com/job/Stockholm-Automation-Architect-Flow-Guardian-Stoc/750704402/

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You will bring

 

• 5 years of designing, implementing, testing, deployment and documentation of test automation, preferably
• with elements of test architecture definition
• Solid experience from JCAT/MJE based automation
• Experience about dashboarding and reporting tools such as Grafana, Kibana and Jasper reports etc
• Experience from applicable test management tools such as GTMS, TM4E or similar
• Experience in object-oriented programming languages, preferably Java and/or Python
• Knowledge of Eiffel in CI/CD eco systems
• Knowledge of version control systems such as Git, Svn etc.
• Preferably knowledge about Search & Analytics Engines such as Elasticsearch, Lucene, Solr etc and visualization aids such as Kibana
• Academic degree minimum on bachelor level within engineering.

[Ulrich Windl]

Hi!

After all "Eiffel" is just a name. I remember Intel changing the name of its Triton chipset to numeric when some Dutch company claimed people would mix it with their sparkling wine named "Tricon" (AFAIR)...

Once there was a product not named "Eiffel Tower", but "Tower Eiffel" ;-)

Regards,
Ulrich

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[Ian Joyner]

I don’t know about suing. Rick Wakeman did not sue Andrew Lloyd Webber for the organ theme in Phantom of the Opera (1986) which is almost identical to ‘Judas Iscariot’ on Criminal Record (1979). While Andrew Lloyd Webber would have deeper pockets (what the conclusion often comes down to), Rick has said he’s not that kind of guy. I’ve told Rick he should be more careful naming his albums, because many job applications have a question about if one has a criminal record.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wakeman%27s_Criminal_Record

The organ was the one at St Martins Church Vevey where Charlie Chaplin is buried.

Roger Dean sued ‘Avatar’ for the use of his images. At least one of the floating islands looks almost identical to Dean’s own work. However, the judge came down on the side of the bigger player. A later judge disagreed with that decision but Roger had given up by that time.

https://blog.signalnoise.com/avatar-vs-roger-dean/

Who is right often doesn’t win.

Ian

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[r...@amalasoft.com]

There is a difference between trademark and copyright infringement.  This smacks very clearly of trademark infringement, especially as both instances are in the technology sector (the point being confusion of products or services, even if not direct competitors).  Suing might be worth it, but a little conversation with the lawyers might.

R

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[Ian Joyner]

I think the law is a gamble. If you win it can pay off big, but as Roger Dean found out, you can get a really stupid judge who can’t see the obvious similarities because it is art.

Mind you, I agree, a registered trademark might be a more convincing legal argument.

What might be good is Eiffel getting some commercial backing and promotion from one or more large companies. After all the heavy backing of Bell got C and C++ wide use.

Ian

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[Ulrich Windl]

>>> "'lrix' via Eiffel Users" <eiffel...@googlegroups.com> schrieb am
18.08.2022
um 23:04 in Nachricht
<d9a811da-c07f-4dd6...@googlegroups.com>:

> Looks like some (not all) of the material has been taken down. It also
> appears that this is related to Ericsson (i.e. European phone company).
>
> https://eiffel-community.github.io/
>
> This is not to say the matter is dead. Eiffel Software ought to file a
> lawsuit IMHO. In the following page—dated August 11th, 2022—there is still

I think: _definitely not_ (for the reasons given earlier).
It would just help the lawyers to create income.


MHO

Ulrich

[Bertrand Meyer (SIT)]

We are onto it. Thanks to Eric for the alert, we hadn’t seen it.

 

-- BM

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[Eric Bezault]

Credits to Paolo Redaelli for discovering it.

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On 19/08/2022 11:53, Bertrand Meyer (SIT) wrote:
> We are onto it. Thanks to Eric for the alert, we hadn’t seen it.
>
> -- BM
>

> *From:* eiffel...@googlegroups.com <> *On Behalf Of *Ian Joyner
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 August, 2022 11:23
> *To:* eiffel...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [eiffel-users] Eiffel name "stolen"

>
> I think the law is a gamble. If you win it can pay off big, but as Roger
> Dean found out, you can get a really stupid judge who can’t see the
> obvious similarities because it is art.
>
> Mind you, I agree, a registered trademark might be a more convincing
> legal argument.
>
> What might be good is Eiffel getting some commercial backing and
> promotion from one or more large companies. After all the heavy backing
> of Bell got C and C++ wide use.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 19 Aug 2022, at 11:37, r...@amalasoft.com

> <mailto:r...@amalasoft.com> wrote:
>
> There is a difference between trademark and copyright infringement.
> This smacks very clearly of trademark infringement, especially as
> both instances are in the technology sector (the point being
> confusion of products or services, even if not direct competitors).
> Suing might be worth it, but a little conversation with the lawyers
> might.
>
> R
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [eiffel-users] Eiffel name "stolen"
> From: Ian Joyner <joyne...@gmail.com
> <mailto:joyne...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Thu, August 18, 2022 8:52 pm
> To: eiffel...@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:eiffel...@googlegroups.com>
>
> I don’t know about suing. Rick Wakeman did not sue Andrew Lloyd
> Webber for the organ theme in Phantom of the Opera (1986) which
> is almost identical to ‘Judas Iscariot’ on Criminal Record
> (1979). While Andrew Lloyd Webber would have deeper pockets
> (what the conclusion often comes down to), Rick has said he’s
> not that kind of guy. I’ve told Rick he should be more careful
> naming his albums, because many job applications have a question
> about if one has a criminal record.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wakeman%27s_Criminal_Record

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Wakeman's_Criminal_Record>

>
> The organ was the one at St Martins Church Vevey where Charlie
> Chaplin is buried.
>
> Roger Dean sued ‘Avatar’ for the use of his images. At least one
> of the floating islands looks almost identical to Dean’s own
> work. However, the judge came down on the side of the bigger
> player. A later judge disagreed with that decision but Roger had
> given up by that time.
>
> https://blog.signalnoise.com/avatar-vs-roger-dean/
> <https://blog.signalnoise.com/avatar-vs-roger-dean/>
>
> Who is right often doesn’t win.
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 19 Aug 2022, at 07:04, 'lrix' via Eiffel Users
> <eiffel...@googlegroups.com

> <mailto:eiffel...@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
> Looks like some (not all) of the material has been taken
> down. It also appears that this is related to Ericsson (i.e.
> European phone company).
>
> https://eiffel-community.github.io/
> <https://eiffel-community.github.io/>
>
> This is not to say the matter is dead. Eiffel Software ought
> to file a lawsuit IMHO. In the following page—dated August
> 11th, 2022—there is still a very fresh mention of Eiffel and
> CI/CD in the text. I will quote it below so they cannot
> erase it.
>
> https://jobs.ericsson.com/job/Stockholm-Automation-Architect-Flow-Guardian-Stoc/750704402

> <https://jobs.ericsson.com/job/Stockholm-Automation-Architect-Flow-Guardian-Stoc/750704402>/
>
> -------
> *You will bring*
>
> * 5 years of designing, implementing, testing, deployment

> and documentation of test automation, preferably

> * with elements of test architecture definition
> * Solid experience from JCAT/MJE based automation
> * Experience about dashboarding and reporting tools such

> as Grafana, Kibana and Jasper reports etc

> * Experience from applicable test management tools such as
> GTMS, TM4E or similar
> * Experience in object-oriented programming languages,
> preferably Java and/or Python
> * *Knowledge of Eiffel in CI/CD eco systems*
> * Knowledge of version control systems such as Git, Svn etc.
> * Preferably knowledge about Search & Analytics Engines

> such as Elasticsearch, Lucene, Solr etc and
> visualization aids such as Kibana

> * Academic degree minimum on bachelor level within

> engineering.
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 1:30:37 PM UTC-4

> er...@gobosoft.com <mailto:er...@gobosoft.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Eiffel name "stolen"
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2022 18:53:54 +0200
> From: Paolo Redaelli <paolo.r...@libero.it>
> To: liberty-eiffel mailing list <liberty...@gnu.org>
>
> They have been using the name "Eiffel" for a protocol
> thatenables
> technology agnostic communication for CI/CD eco systems...
>
> https://github.com/eiffel-community

> <https://github.com/eiffel-community>

[Bertrand Meyer (SIT)]

Indeed, you mentioned the source in your first message. Thanks to both.

-- BM