Storage

[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Hi all,

What is the best bang for the buck video storage for a PC these days? I’m looking to replace my Avid VideoRaid SR before it finally dies a long-overdue death.

I only need around 12TB or less and I don’t do 4K. I’m semi-retired now so not looking to spend thousands on something that I’d never get a return on.

Thanks in advance.

Tone :)

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[Sean Stall]

Hey Tone!

Check out Synology. Been using them for years without a hiccup. Lots of options for storage and performance. 

Cheers!

Sean

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[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Cheers Sean, I’ll take a look :)

T. 

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[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Connectivity? The VideoRaid is SAS but that’s pretty much obsolete now, so what would I use with Synology?

Ta,

Tone :)

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Cheers Sean, I’ll take a look :)

[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Is 10GbE fast enough? With a small NAS?

Cheers,

Tone :)

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Connectivity? The VideoRaid is SAS but that’s pretty much obsolete now, so what would I use with Synology?

[Morey Gers]

Should be more than fast enough.  The last place I was working (now fully retired !!) had about 16 workstations that I re-wired from 4gb fibre on a Facilis Terrablock, replaced with 10GbE copper and two large SNS EVO media servers.  No hiccups with multiple Avids, Premiere, Resolve, 2d/3d graphics. 

Morey, 

retired but lurking, I don’t know why!

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[glenn sakatch]

I'm on a qnap system all 10g.  Runs to avid and resolve.

Hd on Avid, usually uhd on resolve.

10g works well.

The one caveat is the number if drives in your array.  I would suggest 8 if possible.

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[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Thanks all 😀

Exactly what I wanted to know, and great advice about the number of drives. 

Still the best list on the net!

Cheers,

Tone :)

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[Jason Russell]

Hey Glenn,

How's the security on your QNAP? I have one. They're constantly getting hacked in the news. I had mine hacked. Luckily I had a backup and could restore without paying a ransom. I've got it as locked down as possible but I still see news stories. Any issues on your end? 

I also have a SNS and a Terrablock, never had issues there. 

Just wondering. 

Jason

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[Andi Loor]

I would look into this

https://www.owc.com/solutions/thunderbay-8

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[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Thanks Andi. :)

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[Jason Russell]

I've used the thunderbay 4s for a few years now. Super happy with them. 

Since we all went remote I put one on all my employees desktops. We are all Mac. Only issue I had was with Softraid their raid software that comes with it. As Mac pushed to the new chips Softraid wasn't keeping up. Caused some issues but the actual hardware has been great. 

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[Mark Hollis]

At the Nameless Broadcasting Company I worked at, our Avids (DS, Sym-phony and Media Disposer) all used 10 Gig Ethernet to connect to the Avid servers. This gave us plenty of headroom for both compressed NTSC video and DNxHD codecs. 

The Synology NAS may be upgraded to 10GB Ethernet using this accessory: https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/E10G22-T1-Mini

I can recommend the “Plus Series” that start with DS which go from two-bay to 12-bay (I do not think you would want anything bigger than a 4 or 5-bay system). These systems all have M.2 NVMe slots for a SSD cache which in most cases will completely saturate your Ethernet connection for media you are accessing frequently. 

One major issue that friends of mine are finding is that if you attach drives or SSDs to Thunderbolt, your computer will save power by letting the disk drives spin down or will de-power the SSD(s), so you may have to wait to access your media. NAS storage is usually its own computer,  so power management does not come into play here.

Tony, one of these days we should hit a pub near you. I have to get to the UK first, though.

-Mark

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[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

I guess this is a pretty good buy?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/225371394840?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=78N3HBeNQVW&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

T:)

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At the Nameless Broadcasting Company I worked at, our Avids (DS, Sym-phony and Media Disposer) all used 10 Gig Ethernet to connect to the Avid servers. This gave us plenty of headroom for both compressed NTSC video and DNxHD codecs. 

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[Sean Stall]

That's pretty good, Tone.  I too have the WD Red Enterprise drives in my Synology RS10613xs+ Rackstation. They've been great performers running 7+ years now.  You may want to upgrade the SSD's used for cache to 500GB or more, especially since SSD's degrade over time, but you should be pretty happy with that as a storage solution.

Sean

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[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Thanks Sean :)

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[Mark Hollis]

Tony, you should be aware of the fact that Synology qualifies drives for their storage and, of course, recommends their own (kind of like the value-added proposition of buying a tested workstation from Avid). Synology’s warranty is dependent on you using what they have tested. But, if you are buying on eBay, there  may be no warranty, as it may have expired or the seller may have used drives that Synology did not qualify.

Mind you, there seems to be a pretty active Synology community as helpful as the DS-List and they have people who are prequalifying drives. 

-Mark

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[Knut A. Helgeland]

This is just me waving hello from Oslo. :)

Since scaling down (from Toxic, loosing my DS and the subsequent Flame, to now D’TOX) and running my own shop, I’ve converted back over to macs only, and Thunderbolt for all storage. Currently running two OWC ThunderBay4 in raid-5 config + a smaller SSD raid-0 thingy for when speed really matters. 

Best,

K

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[Jason Russell]

Hey Knut, 

Are you running Softraid?

Jason

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[Knut A. Helgeland]

Hi Jason,

Yep. running SoftRaid 7.0.1 (Pro, not XT or Lite), on macOS Monterey. 

K

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[Igor Riđanović]

We're running Facilis Terrablock which is more than you need, but as far as connectivity, 10 GbE is great unless you're maybe doing UHD at 12 bit. Some of our workstations are dual Fibre, some are single Fibre, the newest ones are 10 GbE. While the bandwidth is lower than dual Fibre, it flies. And to me the biggest benefit is that you don't have to reboot the computer if you reset the storage which is something Fibre requires.

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[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Hi all,

Prompted by a lurker, I’m now wondering if I can fit 6 more 4Tb drives into my Z840 and do a three-disk stripe of a Raid10…

If I can, and if the connectivity is there, then that’s a dead simple (and cheap!) solution. 

T :)

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[Craig Gordon]

Hi Tony. 

I did something similar. 4-2TB drives in a Z800. Works well still kicking 

Craig

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Hi all,

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[John Moore]

For a long time I used 3x4TB drives in my mid 2012 mac pro.  Later I went to an SSD startup and went to a 4x4TB stripe that has worked well.  I can even chug 4K one stream once it's rendered in Avid.  For HD work it was fine and with a little render patience 4K worked.

[Tony Quinsee-Jover]

Sadly, I've discovered that my Z840 already has all the drives it can take, so I'm back to looking at external solutions.

It's been suggested to me that an HP DL380 Gen8 could be attached by SAS and achieve the required results so I'm currently looking at that.

Cheers,
Tony :)

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