Convoluted setup information

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akshay...@gmail.com

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Aug 18, 2018, 1:55:23 PM8/18/18
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Hi, I'm new to Django and I found the setup guide pretty useless. Had to refer to many articles on stackoverflow just to get basic django (+pip+python+virtualenv) installed.
Why make it so complicated? 
Why not include screenshots?

Also rather than pointing only to this group for help why not link to the best stackoverflow articles that cover the problems commonly faced by new users?

mottaz hejaze

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Aug 18, 2018, 1:58:23 PM8/18/18
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what is your operating system ? 
what problems do you have 

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akshay kanade

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Aug 18, 2018, 2:07:15 PM8/18/18
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Mac OS

Problems:
So it’s pretty clear to me that one MUST install a virtual env before trying to run django.
However the setup guide almost makes it sound like it’s optional.

Why can’t the steps be mentioned clearly as also visually (and differentiate what’s essential and optional)?

I figured out that I had two versions of python which was causing the issue. My guess is this is a common problem for everyone.

I’m pretty sure if I hadn’t installed virtualenv there was no way I would be able to run django without first messing up the python version I already had installed 

Anyway, my point is that the setup guide assumes that people will understand that these problems will occur and somehow figure a way out. I just feel it can be simplified.
As a first experience especially for beginners it’s not very encouraging.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 at 11:28 PM, mottaz hejaze <trapp...@gmail.com> wrote:
what is your operating system ? 
what problems do you have 
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 7:44 PM, <akshay...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I'm new to Django and I found the setup guide pretty useless. Had to refer to many articles on stackoverflow just to get basic django (+pip+python+virtualenv) installed.
Why make it so complicated? 
Why not include screenshots?

Also rather than pointing only to this group for help why not link to the best stackoverflow articles that cover the problems commonly faced by new users?

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Joel Mathew

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Aug 18, 2018, 2:26:06 PM8/18/18
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You could perhaps provide more constructive advice by contributing to the setup pages. I have written a small list of commands that I used for my django setup, at https://blog.droidzone.in/2018/08/17/create-virtualenv-with-python3/

I do this mostly to keep me from repeatedly reinventing the wheel.

Sincerely yours,

Dr Joel G Mathew


On 18 August 2018 at 23:35, akshay kanade <akshay...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mac OS

Problems:
So it’s pretty clear to me that one MUST install a virtual env before trying to run django.
However the setup guide almost makes it sound like it’s optional.

Why can’t the steps be mentioned clearly as also visually (and differentiate what’s essential and optional)?

I figured out that I had two versions of python which was causing the issue. My guess is this is a common problem for everyone.

I’m pretty sure if I hadn’t installed virtualenv there was no way I would be able to run django without first messing up the python version I already had installed 

Anyway, my point is that the setup guide assumes that people will understand that these problems will occur and somehow figure a way out. I just feel it can be simplified.
As a first experience especially for beginners it’s not very encouraging.

On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 at 11:28 PM, mottaz hejaze <trapp...@gmail.com> wrote:
what is your operating system ? 
what problems do you have 
On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 7:44 PM, <akshay...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I'm new to Django and I found the setup guide pretty useless. Had to refer to many articles on stackoverflow just to get basic django (+pip+python+virtualenv) installed.
Why make it so complicated? 
Why not include screenshots?

Also rather than pointing only to this group for help why not link to the best stackoverflow articles that cover the problems commonly faced by new users?

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akshay kanade

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Excellent thought. I’ll work on it and share something soon which could be helpful for others.

Anyway got the rocket up and running finally 🚀 


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Congratulations.

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Andréas Kühne

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Aug 19, 2018, 4:10:14 AM8/19/18
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The problem is that installing virtualenv and so on is OS specific - and requires a lot of different setups. However - it IS optional. You can definately install django per default on your system - should you want that.

I think the reason the setup documents for django don't include information about this is because it's not really a Django issue. It's more of a Python issue - and you should have that kind of expertise before starting to write django applications (some python experience is required). 

Screenshots would likewise not be helpful because of the differences in setting up python, virtualenv and so on on different platforms. What works in Linux does not work in Windows at all....

Regards,

Andréas

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