[Django] #35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list

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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Type:
| Cleanup/optimization
Status: new | Component:
| Documentation
Version: 5.1 | Severity: Normal
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage:
support, onboarding | Unreviewed
Has patch: 0 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Following the forum thread ([https://forum.djangoproject.com/t/proposal-
retiring-django-users-and-django-developers-mailing-lists/35747 Proposal:
retiring django-users and django-developers mailing lists]), we can now
move ahead with updating the developer documentation to remove or
contextualize references to the django-developers and django-users mailing
list.

There is a lot of content that needs removing, but in some cases it might
make sense to replace the references to those mailing lists with a link to
the Django Forum, or specific forum categories. Also worth noting the
django-announce and django-updates mailing list are staying as-is.

== Removal tasks

- [ ] remove 2x mailing lists from the
[https://github.com/thibaudcolas/django/blob/main/docs/internals/howto-
release-django.txt#L132 How to release Django] docs
- [ ] Remove django-users from the
[https://github.com/thibaudcolas/django/blob/main/docs/faq/help.txt#L24
FAQ - How do I do X]
- [ ] Remove
[https://github.com/thibaudcolas/django/blob/main/docs/faq/help.txt#L44
Why hasn't my message appeared on *django-users*?] from the FAQ: Getting
help
- [ ] Remove
[https://github.com/thibaudcolas/django/blob/main/docs/faq/help.txt#L71
You might notice we have a second mailing list] paragraph from the FAQ:
Getting help
- [ ] Remove the 4x subscription and posting email addresses from
[https://github.com/thibaudcolas/django/blob/main/docs/internals/mailing-
lists.txt#L33 Mailing lists and Forum]
- [ ] Remove the django-users mention on the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/internals/contributing/index.txt#L29
Contributing to Django] index.
- [ ] Remove 4x mentions of django-developers from the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/internals/organization.txt#L218
Organization of the Django Project] docs
- [ ] Remove 3x django-developers mentions on
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/internals/contributing
/committing-code.txt#L113 Comitting code]
- [ ] Remove 6x django-developers mentions on
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/internals/contributing
/triaging-tickets.txt#L312 Triaging tickets]
- [ ] Remove 4x django-developers mentions on
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/internals/contributing
/writing-code/submitting-patches.txt#L157 Submitting contributions]
- [ ] Remove 1x django-developers mention from
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/intro/contributing.txt#L44
Writing your first contribution for Django]

== Rewrite tasks

- [ ] Rewrite the
[https://github.com/thibaudcolas/django/blob/main/docs/internals/mailing-
lists.txt#L33 Mailing lists and Forum] explanations for django-users and
django-developers to explain the mailing lists still exist and contain
valuable history
- [ ] Replace the 4x django-users and django-developers mentions on
[https://github.com/thibaudcolas/django/blob/main/docs/internals/contributing
/bugs-and-features.txt#L20 Reporting bugs and requesting features] to
instead point to the forum
- [ ] Replace the django-users and IRC links on the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/intro/whatsnext.txt#L126
What to read next] with a link to the
[https://www.djangoproject.com/community/ Django Community] page
- [ ] Replace the django-users mention on
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/ref/contrib/index.txt#L141
contrib apps index] with a link to the Django forum

== Do nothing

- Keep the rst_epilog references in the Sphinx config for now
- Keep any references to the mailing lists in historical docs (for example
old release notes)
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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: (none)
Type: | Status: new
Cleanup/optimization |
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution:
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage:
support, onboarding | Unreviewed
Has patch: 0 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Description changed by Thibaud Colas:

Old description:
New description:

Following the forum thread ([https://forum.djangoproject.com/t/proposal-
retiring-django-users-and-django-developers-mailing-lists/35747 Proposal:
retiring django-users and django-developers mailing lists]), we can now
move ahead with updating the developer documentation to remove or
contextualize references to the django-developers and django-users mailing
list.

There is a lot of content that needs removing, but in some cases it might
make sense to replace the references to those mailing lists with a link to
the Django Forum, or specific forum categories. Also worth noting the
django-announce and django-updates mailing list are staying as-is.

== Removal tasks

- [ ] remove 2x mailing lists from the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/internals/howto-release-
django.txt#L132 How to release Django] docs
- [ ] Remove django-users from the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/faq/help.txt#L24 FAQ -
How do I do X]
- [ ] Remove
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/faq/help.txt#L44 Why
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New description:

Following the forum thread ([https://forum.djangoproject.com/t/proposal-
retiring-django-users-and-django-developers-mailing-lists/35747 Proposal:
retiring django-users and django-developers mailing lists]), we can now
move ahead with updating the developer documentation to remove or
contextualize references to the django-developers and django-users mailing
list.

There is a lot of content that needs removing, but in some cases it might
make sense to replace the references to those mailing lists with a link to
the Django Forum, or specific forum categories. Also worth noting the
django-announce and django-updates mailing list are staying as-is.

== Removal tasks

- [ ] remove 2x mailing lists from the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/internals/howto-release-
django.txt#L132 How to release Django] docs
- [ ] Remove django-users from the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/faq/help.txt#L24 FAQ -
How do I do X]
- [ ] Remove
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/faq/help.txt#L44 Why
hasn't my message appeared on *django-users*?] from the FAQ: Getting help
- [ ] Remove
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/faq/help.txt#L71 You
lists.txt#L33 Mailing lists and Forum] explanations for django-users and
django-developers to explain the mailing lists still exist and contain
valuable history
- [ ] Replace the 4x django-users and django-developers mentions on
[https://github.com/thibaudcolas/django/blob/main/docs/internals/contributing
/bugs-and-features.txt#L20 Reporting bugs and requesting features] to
instead point to the forum
- [ ] Replace the django-users and IRC links on the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/intro/whatsnext.txt#L126
What to read next] with a link to the
[https://www.djangoproject.com/community/ Django Community] page
- [ ] Replace the django-users mention on
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/ref/contrib/index.txt#L141
contrib apps index] with a link to the Django forum

== Do nothing

- Keep the rst_epilog references in the Sphinx config for now
- Keep any references to the mailing lists in historical docs (for example
old release notes)

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Ticket URL: <https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/35908#comment:3>

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[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/internals/contributing
/bugs-and-features.txt#L20 Reporting bugs and requesting features] to
instead point to the forum
- [ ] Replace the django-users and IRC links on the
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/intro/whatsnext.txt#L126
What to read next] with a link to the
[https://www.djangoproject.com/community/ Django Community] page
- [ ] Replace the django-users mention on
[https://github.com/django/django/blob/main/docs/ref/contrib/index.txt#L141
contrib apps index] with a link to the Django forum

== Do nothing

- Keep the ``rst_epilog`` references in the Sphinx config for now
- Keep any references to the mailing lists in historical docs (for example
old release notes)

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Ticket URL: <https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/35908#comment:4>

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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: (none)
Type: | Status: new
Cleanup/optimization |
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution:
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Accepted
support, onboarding |
Has patch: 0 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Changes (by Sarah Boyce):

* stage: Unreviewed => Accepted

Comment:

Thank you for leading this discussion
I think adding the forum and discord to the `rst_epilog` is also something
we should consider
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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Chaitanya
Type: | Rahalkar
Cleanup/optimization | Status: assigned
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution:
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Accepted
support, onboarding |
Has patch: 0 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Changes (by Chaitanya Rahalkar):

* owner: (none) => Chaitanya Rahalkar
* status: new => assigned

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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Chaitanya
Type: | Rahalkar
Cleanup/optimization | Status: assigned
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution:
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Accepted
support, onboarding |
Has patch: 1 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Changes (by Chaitanya Rahalkar):

* has_patch: 0 => 1

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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Chaitanya
Type: | Rahalkar
Cleanup/optimization | Status: assigned
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution:
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Accepted
support, onboarding |
Has patch: 1 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Comment (by Chaitanya Rahalkar):

PR: https://github.com/django/django/pull/18808
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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Chaitanya
Type: | Rahalkar
Cleanup/optimization | Status: assigned
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution:
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Accepted
support, onboarding |
Has patch: 1 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 1
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Changes (by Sarah Boyce):

* needs_better_patch: 0 => 1

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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Sarah
Type: | Boyce
Cleanup/optimization | Status: assigned
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution:
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Accepted
support, onboarding |
Has patch: 1 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Changes (by Sarah Boyce):

* needs_better_patch: 1 => 0
* owner: Chaitanya Rahalkar => Sarah Boyce

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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Sarah
Type: | Boyce
Cleanup/optimization | Status: assigned
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution:
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Ready for
support, onboarding | checkin
Has patch: 1 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Changes (by Jacob Walls):

* stage: Accepted => Ready for checkin

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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Sarah
Type: | Boyce
Cleanup/optimization | Status: closed
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution: fixed
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Ready for
support, onboarding | checkin
Has patch: 1 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Changes (by Sarah Boyce <42296566+sarahboyce@…>):

* resolution: => fixed
* status: assigned => closed

Comment:

In [changeset:"86493307f97b9795a74227b6af2d59a267160847" 86493307]:
{{{#!CommitTicketReference repository=""
revision="86493307f97b9795a74227b6af2d59a267160847"
Fixed #35908 -- Retired the django-developers and django-users mailing
lists.

Co-authored-by: Chaitanya Rahalkar <chaitany...@squareup.com>
}}}
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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Sarah
Type: | Boyce
Cleanup/optimization | Status: closed
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution: fixed
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Ready for
support, onboarding | checkin
Has patch: 1 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Comment (by Sarah Boyce <42296566+sarahboyce@…>):

In [changeset:"463e87e249693d1fd810b925c2da2c71426929cf" 463e87e]:
{{{#!CommitTicketReference repository=""
revision="463e87e249693d1fd810b925c2da2c71426929cf"
[5.2.x] Fixed #35908 -- Retired the django-developers and django-users
mailing lists.

Co-authored-by: Chaitanya Rahalkar <chaitany...@squareup.com>

Backport of 86493307f97b9795a74227b6af2d59a267160847 from main.
}}}
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#35908: Retire django-developers and django-users mailing list
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Reporter: Thibaud Colas | Owner: Sarah
Type: | Boyce
Cleanup/optimization | Status: closed
Component: Documentation | Version: 5.1
Severity: Normal | Resolution: fixed
Keywords: community, docs, | Triage Stage: Ready for
support, onboarding | checkin
Has patch: 1 | Needs documentation: 0
Needs tests: 0 | Patch needs improvement: 0
Easy pickings: 0 | UI/UX: 0
-------------------------------------+-------------------------------------
Comment (by Sarah Boyce <42296566+sarahboyce@…>):

In [changeset:"481b82802d0f4a6c168f3847d76b2433b5e84c6f" 481b8280]:
{{{#!CommitTicketReference repository=""
revision="481b82802d0f4a6c168f3847d76b2433b5e84c6f"
[5.1.x] Fixed #35908 -- Retired the django-developers and django-users
mailing lists.

Co-authored-by: Chaitanya Rahalkar <chaitany...@squareup.com>

Backport of 86493307f97b9795a74227b6af2d59a267160847 from main.
}}}
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Ticket URL: <https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/35908#comment:15>
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