Round 3021 ZARCOLE Results

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Tim Lodge

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Oct 19, 2019, 5:38:23 AM10/19/19
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Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are both tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real Winner.  Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition, the cylindrical hat, which she selected because she didn't know what a janizary was.  A janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with his zarcole on:


Over to you, Mike.

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*** ZARCOLE ***

1.  a twisted pasta              
Submitter: Debbie Embler Votes: 2 & 7 Score: 1  + 0 + 0  = 1
Voted for by: Dan Widdis             

 2.  a place appointed for a relay of horses            
Submitter: Dan Widdis Votes: 1 & 3 Score: 1  + 0 + 0  = 1
Voted for by: Debbie Embler             

 3.  a large roundhead cabbage [also CZARCOLE]           
Submitter: Johnny Barrs Votes: 4 & 8 Score: 1  + 0 + 0  = 1
Voted for by: Dan Widdis             

 4.  [Geol.]  a rift. (fr. _Zarcole_, Austria]            
Submitter: Dave Cunningham Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 2  + 0 + 0  = 2
Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Shani Naylor            

 5.  a combination of sunshine and light rain.           
Submitter: Shani Naylor Votes: 4 & 10 Score: 1  + *2* + 0  = 3
Voted for by: Ryan McGill             

 6.  a plant that thrives in soil rich in lime.            
Submitter: Judy Madnick Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1  + 0 + 0  = 1
Voted for by: Tim Bourne             

 7.  [Ital.] The central plaza of a city or town.           
Submitter: Efrem Mallach Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 1  + 0 + 0  = 1
Voted for by: Debbie Embler             

 8.  a blue semi-precious stone of volcanic origin.          
Submitter: Tim Bourne Votes: 6 & 11 Score: 5  + 0 + 0  = 5
Voted for by: Johnny Barrs, Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tony Abell

 9.  a swear jar; initially added to the Jargon File 18th Nov 1993        
Submitter: Ryan McGill Votes: 5 & 9 Score: 0  + 0 + 0  = 0
Voted for by: Ryan McGill             

10.  a high cylindrical head-dress such as was worn by janizaries.        
Submitter:  OED  Votes: - & - Score: 1  + 0 + 0  = 1
Voted for by: Shani Naylor             

11.  a brittle mineral which generally appears as colorless, or pale blue with a vitreous to pearly luster.
Submitter: Mike Shefler Votes: 0 & 0 Score: 5  + 0 + 0  = 5
Voted for by: Dave Cunningham, Judy Madnick, Efrem Mallach, Tim Bourne, Tony Abell

No Def: Tony Abell Votes: 8 & 11 Score: 0  + 0 + 0  = 0

Voted for by: Nobody   


 


Def Vote 1 Vote 2 Tot Votes Guess DP Score









Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
 OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0

         

Tim B

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Oct 19, 2019, 7:22:18 AM10/19/19
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> However, Mike is way ahead in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real Winner.

Phew! I'm sure that's the most votes I've ever received and not been dealer.

Congratulations, Mike!

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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Oct 19, 2019, 10:08:12 AM10/19/19
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Subject: [Dixonary] Round 3021 ZARCOLE Results

> Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are
> both tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead
> in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim
> as the Real Winner. Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition,
> the cylindrical hat, which she selected because she didn't know
> what a janizary was. A janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish
> Soldier, looking like this with his zarcole on:
>
> *Def* *Vote 1* *Vote 2* *Tot Votes* *Guess* *DP* *Score*
>
> Mike Shefler 11 0 0 5 0 0 5
> Tim Bourne 8 6 11 5 0 0 5
> Shani Naylor 5 4 10 1 2 0 3 *
> Dave Cunningham 4 8 11 2 0 0 2
> Debbie Embler 1 2 7 1 0 0 1
> Dan Widdis 2 1 3 1 0 0 1
> Johnny Barrs 3 4 8 1 0 0 1
> Judy Madnick 6 8 11 1 0 0 1
> Efrem Mallach 7 8 11 1 0 0 1
> OED 10 - - 1 0 0 1
> Ryan McGill 9 5 9 0 0 0 0
> Tony Abell 12 8 11 0 0 0 0
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Ryan McGill

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Oct 21, 2019, 12:52:23 PM10/21/19
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Silly question, perhaps:

There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own definition. Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the chances of guessing  the correct definition. But as there's no official ban on it, I figured it was worth a shot strategically to coax a vote or two more (which, admittedly, I did poorly, voting late in the round). I assume it could be considered unsporting or bad form, but since I saw no ruling, it seemed like untrod ground.

Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point thing official or discretionary?

Efrem G Mallach

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Oct 21, 2019, 1:13:40 PM10/21/19
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Ryan,

The rules say, in the scoring section, "Provided always that the author of a definition, or a contributor to a combined definition, never receives points for voting for it." Seems to me that this sanctions voting for your own definition if you so choose. I've also seen it happen by accident; once in a while someone forgets which of the definitions is theirs, and it looks plausible, so ...

Efrem

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Tim B

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Oct 21, 2019, 1:19:38 PM10/21/19
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> I've also seen it happen by accident; once in a while someone forgets which of the definitions is
> theirs, and it looks plausible, so ...

It can also happen that a definition is combined with the correct one and is no longer recognisable,
so one votes for it unknowingly.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

Efrem G Mallach

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Oct 21, 2019, 1:30:46 PM10/21/19
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Absolutely true, though in an ideal world combined definitions should have originally been so similar that the author of any would still recognize it. If a definition has to be rephrased so much as to be unrecognizable when combined, perhaps the two shouldn't have been combined at all. There are always borderline cases, but still.

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Stephen Dixon

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Oct 21, 2019, 1:31:24 PM10/21/19
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Oh yes, voting for one's own definition has been addressed.  It is historically well-founded.

In the early stages of the game, when I was a regular player it was a not-uncommon tactic used to draw other votes. But, beyond that, it was an all-the-time tradition for Howard Benner, creator of the TapCis Forum where the game originated.

He always did it. Everybody knew it. It was such a thing that whenever another player was found to have voted for his own def, he was said to have "Bennered."

Howard never fooled anybody. The other thing he always did was submit a definition that had something to do with horses. Some 'bone connecting a horses' fetlock to the...' or some such thing.

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Efrem G Mallach

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Oct 21, 2019, 1:54:44 PM10/21/19
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On Oct 21, 2019, at 1:31 PM, Stephen Dixon <steved...@gmail.com> wrote:

...


Howard never fooled anybody. The other thing he always did was submit a definition that had something to do with horses. Some 'bone connecting a horses' fetlock to the...' or some such thing.

To bad I read this after I had pretty much settled on a definition for the current "machair." It could have worked!

Efrem

Ryan McGill

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Oct 21, 2019, 3:25:39 PM10/21/19
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I'm attempting to reply to Johnny's message, but I can't seem to find it on the thread.

In any case, I see where I went wrong: I was looking in the rules for voting, not the rules for scoring.

Cheers, all, and thanks for all the delightful historical notes.

Ryan

Johnb - co.uk

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Oct 21, 2019, 7:15:13 PM10/21/19
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Sorry, originally sent privately

JohnnyB

I thought that you could vote for your own definition, (and may want to do so for strategic reasons) but that your vote for your own definition does not count in the votes for that definition

Original rules 8) Scoring follows: (1) You get one point for each vote (other than your own) for your definition,

Paul Keating's "Real Rules" do not mention it (and by the way, (probably for Dan W) the main 'Game Rules and Advice' page on dixonary.net has 'not found links' about the rules - one has to go to the rules section itself)

 So I submit that you can vote for your own definition but receive no points for so doing

JohnnyB

Stephen Dixon

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Oct 21, 2019, 7:25:24 PM10/21/19
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Oh, yes! Obviously you can’t score yourself a point by voting on your own definition.

It is a complete throwaway, whether you are attempting the old hockey fake-out or just being...unique, like the late, great HB.

Daniel B Widdis

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Oct 21, 2019, 10:33:41 PM10/21/19
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I’m surprised this case isn’t mentioned in the “Real Rules”.  And I see the dead links. At some point I’ll figure out how to log in and edit the pages for the broken links from the summary.  I consider it a success that I haven’t forgotten to renew the domain name.

 

Dan

 

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Sorry, originally sent privately

JohnnyB

 

I thought that you could vote for your own definition, (and may want to do so for strategic reasons) but that your vote for your own definition does not count in the votes for that definition

Original rules 8) Scoring follows: (1) You get one point for each vote (other than your own) for your definition,

Paul Keating's "Real Rules" do not mention it (and by the way, (probably for Dan W) the main 'Game Rules and Advice' page on dixonary.net has 'not found links' about the rules - one has to go to the rules section itself)

 So I submit that you can vote for your own definition but receive no points for so doing

JohnnyB

On 21/10/2019 11:52, Ryan McGill wrote:

Silly question, perhaps:

 

There's nothing in the rules about voting for one's own definition. Strategically, it's not a great move, as it halves the chances of guessing  the correct definition. But as there's no official ban on it, I figured it was worth a shot strategically to coax a vote or two more (which, admittedly, I did poorly, voting late in the round). I assume it could be considered unsporting or bad form, but since I saw no ruling, it seemed like untrod ground.

 

Has the topic of a self-vote been broached before? Is the no-point thing official or discretionary?

 

 

 

 


On Saturday, October 19, 2019 at 2:38:23 AM UTC-7, Tim Lodge wrote:

Tim Bourne and Mike Shefler both got 5 natural votes, and they are both tied in the 4-round rolling scores. However, Mike is way ahead in the cumulative scores, so he becomes the new dealer, leaving Tim as the Real Winner.  Only Shani Naylor guessed the true definition, the cylindrical hat, which she selected because she didn't know what a janizary was.  A janizary was a 17th/18th Century Turkish Soldier, looking like this with his zarcole on:

 

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Johnb - co.uk

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Oct 22, 2019, 10:49:21 AM10/22/19
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>I’m surprised this case isn’t mentioned in the “Real Rules”

I couldn't find it - and I did a couple of searches

JohnnyB
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