[Dixonary] Round 3041, EPHOR

[Efrem G Mallach]

Folks,

The word for round 3041 is:

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EPHOR

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where capitalization has no significance. (In a previous email I suggested that it makes the word easier to read, but another player informed me that it doesn't. If upper-case letters don't float your boat, think of the word as ephor.)

Please send invented definitions of EPHOR (or ephor) by private email to emallach at verizon dot net in the next 46+ hours, by 9 am US EST on Sat., Jan. 11. If  you know what it means, please let me know ASAP the same way. If enough people know it I'll pick another - hopefully in time to keep the same deadline. Don't Reply to this message without changing its To field. That would send your message to the whole group. If I had paid attention to that in Round 3040, I probably wouldn't be dealing now. Don't suffer the same fate!

According to timeanddate.com, the deadline is:

and other times in other places. You might want to confirm any conversion that affects you. That site's good, but nobody's perfect.

I expect votes to be due 48 hours later, 9 am Sunday in the eastern U.S..

New players are welcome. (So are old ones who've been quiet for a while. We still love you.) Just send me a definition that you invented without looking EPHOR up. Full rules at  http://www.dixonary.net/game-rules-and-advice/rules.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming ...

Efrem

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[Johnb - co.uk]

E is for whatever you want

JohnnyB

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[Stephen Dixon]

Corporal or Petty Officer military rank.

NAD

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[Tim B]

a traditional Greek natural remedy for headaches and muscle pain, extracted from wild plants.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

[Stephen Dixon]

That’s a great def, Tim.

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[Judy Madnick]

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Original message
From: "Tim B" <dixo...@siam.co.uk>
To: dixo...@googlegroups.com;
Dated: 1/9/2020 1:54:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 3041, EPHOR

[Tim B]

> a traditional Greek natural remedy for headaches and muscle pain, extracted from wild plants.

That was not intended to be a NAD. I hadn't noticed that the message to which I was replying was
sent from the group! Normally replying does exactly what I want it to do. I should have read the
fine print in Efrem's announcement of the word, but it was too small to read!

Another def on its way soon, but I'm afraid it won't be as good as that one.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

[Efrem G Mallach]

Tim,

It's nothing I did. Since the site behavior was adjusted a few months ago, calls for definitions have had "Reply-to: Dixonary". Doesn't matter who deals, Reply always goes to the group. That's the desired behavior for voting and for pretty much every other message, so it seemed reasonable to make it the default.

That said, it's easy to overlook. I did in the last round. I don't think my original def, the one that went public, would have had a prayer of winning. It invoilved wine-making. Several voters said (in their own words) "if it's about wine, I'm not voting for it."

So, your last-minute replacement may do better than this one would have. We'll never know.

Efrem

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[Daniel B Widdis]

Actually, it’s not quite that simple. While the reply-to is set by the group, your email itself shows as being “from” the group—see how you are quoted below with a simple reply.

This is something unique with your setup, and anybody else on the group (see how Tim’s email is quoted by you) and even if we type “Efrem” in our address line it is more likely to match this “wrong” address. We have to specifically type your email address and not your name to send the message.

I don’t know what setting you have on this mailing list/account, but the problem is on your end, or ours or the group’s.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 3:36 PM, 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <dixo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Tim,

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[Efrem G Mallach]

I just checked all my email settings again this morning and found nothing out of the ordinary. I don't have access to group management stuff of the Google Group, though. Is there something weird going on there? I've checked everything I can think of two or more times and am at my wit's end as to why this is happening.

I'll try sending out the list of definitions from the group site on Saturday to see if it still shows up that way. If it doesn't, I'll use the site for dealing. If it does, it has nothing to do with my email program or its settings. If nothing else, that may help diagnose the problem.

Fingers crossed,

Efrem

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[Stephen Dixon]

As the Godfather of 'the Dixon'  I have thought about this issue as much as anybody, I think. I have plenty of experience.

I once did it TWICE on the same word, and that's how it came to get its name. of course, that was in an earlier time, when the game was played in the TapCis forum on CompuServe. The mechanics were totally different, and email di not figure in.

I see TWO key steps to helping us avoid too many submission errors:

1) Compose a brand new email to carry your def to the dealer. Don't use any kind of reply. Start fresh.

2) As a Dealer, put one clear line in your announcement message that contains nothing but the instruction on where to address the submission message.

That's all I got.

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[Shani Naylor]

I'm no IT expert, but this issue has been happening for some months now. How about, Efrem, if you unsubscribe from the group, and then re-subscribe using the email address you'd like us to use? It might be worth a try.

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[Efrem G Mallach]

Shani,

I'll give it a shot! I'm at my wits' end (is that wit's end?) over this.

Efrem

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[Daniel B Widdis]

Efrem,

 

Your email that you just sent looks like the problem is fixed.  Did you do something different?

 

Dan

 

 

From: Efrem G Mallach <emal...@verizon.net>
Date: Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 5:09 PM
To: <dixo...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: Daniel B Widdis <wid...@dixonary.net>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 3041, EPHOR

 

Shani,

[Shani Naylor]

Mine showed this:

from:

'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <dixo...@googlegroups.com>

reply-to:		dixo...@googlegroups.com
to:		dixo...@googlegroups.com

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[Johnb - co.uk]

Efrem

MY SIX PENNWORTH: It really looks as though you are dealing from the site whereas everyone else looks as though thy are dealing from their email client

JohnnyB

[Tim B]

> It's nothing I did. Since the site behavior was adjusted a few months ago, calls for definitions
> have had "Reply-to: Dixonary". Doesn't matter who deals, Reply always goes to the group. That's
> the desired behavior for voting and for pretty much every other message, so it seemed reasonable
> to make it the default.

No, that's not true. Thunderbird always gives me three options: Reply, Reply All, and Reply to List.
Reply is the default, and for messages sent to the group address by email, that replies to the
sender. It's only when the message appears to have been sent directly from the group that Reply goes
to the list. A Thunderbird user (it may be the same for other users, I don't know) can tell, because
the From address shows up as something like

'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <dixo...@googlegroups.com>

as in the message I'm currently replying to.

I should have noticed, and normally I do. As far as I can remember you're the only one whose message
appear like this.

When voting, I have to remember to select Reply to List.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

[Tim B]

> Your email that you just sent looks like the problem is fixed.  Did you do something different?
>

I think what happened there, Dan, was that Efrem copied you on his message to the group, so you
received it directly. Which seems to prove that the problem isn't in his email server, but in some
sort of special treatment that his messages are receiving from the group. It's as if the group
thought in his case it had to block the sender name.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

[Johnb - co.uk]

On 10/01/2020 16:45, Tim B wrote:

It's as if the group thought in his case it had to block the sender name.

I wonder if that is it - Does anyone use a setting in their mail-software (or their anti-malware) to hide their email address?

For some years now I haven't bothered to hide my email address in messages to the group - that is, I do not use some periphrasis like 'fred at bill dot com' Partly I  do not bother to do it because software has been able to circumnavigate that level of deviation for years (back in the old CompuServe days we had to be proof against more than that) and partly because the group is a closed group and outsiders should not be able to see our messages (it is many years ago now that someone got into the group and read our email addresses and used them for spam - when it happened google admitted the leak and tightened up group security and such hasn't occurred since

JohnnyB

[Christopher Carson]

I'm not sure how it happens, but I notice that the "ball" in Tim's message has his initials in it, TB. Johnny's has J, Dan's has DB, etc. Efrem's has TI. If the ball contains the initials, clicking it will bring forth the person's email address. Doing that with Efrem displays "The Intrepid Dixonists". Mine shows my picture and clicking the down arrow displays my contact email. I'm sure there's a method to that madness, it just isn't obvious at this point.

Chris

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From: dixo...@googlegroups.com <dixo...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tim B
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2020 11:45 AM
To: dixo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 3041, EPHOR

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[Daniel B Widdis]

Yes, you're correct there... it was the fact that I received it directly.

That also tends to confirm what my primary theory is, which you've alluded to:

"some special treatment that his messages are receiving from the group".

I'm 99% sure that Google Groups is adding that because of lack of DKIM certificate -- Efrem's sending email from a Verizon.net address but is sending via a Yahoo mailserver. Yahoo can't verify that the email came from Verizon, and thus Google changes the "From" address to more accurately identify the message source (it signs it as a goolegroups message and uses the "via" name) to prevent the email hitting spam filters downrange.

The solution, I think, is for Efrem to use Verizon's SMTP server for email that he sends from that address.

I love Thunderbird's mailing list options and wish Outlook had them. Maybe I'll make that request when I start work with Microsoft Monday. __

Dan

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[Tim B]

> The solution, I think, is for Efrem to use Verizon's SMTP server for email that he sends from that address.

Yes, I think you're right. Now I think of it, I had problems with messages being rejected when I
used my broadband supplier's SMTP server with my own domain addresses; I had to switch to using my
own domains SMTP server to match.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

[Daniel B Widdis]

On 10/01/2020 16:45, Tim B wrote:

It's as if the group thought in his case it had to block the sender name.

 

Close, but I think it’s blocking the email domain, not the name.

 

In theory, I could send email to this group setting my “From:” name and email to any one of the dozens of idle players, perhaps voting for my own definition 50 times.  I think the group would intercept those, put its own return email, and have all those votes be from “Player X via Dixonary”, “Player Y via Dixonary” and so on.

 

Come to think of it, are we really sure that’s really actually Efrem sending these emails?  :-)

[Efrem G Mallach]

I am, in fact, using SMTP to send messages. I only use IMAP to receive them.

I think the earlier message about using a Yahoo! server hit the toe on the nail, or whatever the metaphor is. Verizon bought AOL and Yahoo! a few years ago. Apparently it is now routing verizon.net email through servers that are identified as belong to Yahoo!, and Google Groups or whomever doesn't know that they're the same company. If that's the reason, then nothing I do, and nothing we do with the group settings on Google, will fix it.

I'll get a gmail.com address after this deal is over. Hopefully that will fix it.

Dan: do I have to resubscribe as whatevermyuse...@gmail.com, or can I just change the email address associated with my identity?

Efrem

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[Daniel B Widdis]

Are you using either of these SMTPs (port 465)?  If one, try the other?

 

outgoing.yahoo.verizon.net

smtp.verizon.net

 

See https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/knowledge-base-17067/

 

In any case, yes I believe you would have to sign up with the new address, not sure you can change email… but feel free to try.

 

Also you might try posting messages to the group directly from the googlegroups.com website, logged in with your account.  I believe that would provide the correct “from” email address.

 

 

From: 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <dixo...@googlegroups.com>
Reply-To: <dixo...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, January 10, 2020 at 3:21 PM
To: Dixonary <dixo...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 3041, EPHOR

 

I am, in fact, using SMTP to send messages. I only use IMAP to receive them.

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[Efrem G Mallach]

Using smtp.aol.com, per the instructions that verizon.net email users got when Verizon moved us to their AOL subsidiary. I'll try those after the current deal is over.

Efrem

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