VIRETOT results at last
Dave Cunningham
1. a capital "T" [Barrs] *2 5 (Widdis) (Embler) (Lodge) 2 + 3 = 5
3. a false sage or prophet. [Abell] NV (Stevens) 1
4. a trading or market center. [Carson] 1 *2 (Shefler) 2 + 1 = 3
5. the milk given by a cow at one milking. [Widdis] 1 *2 (Barrs) 2 + 1 = 3
6. a pressure sensor, esp/ in aerospace. [Bourne] NV (Embler) 1
7. a hairpin bend on a steep road, railroad, or track. [Lodge] 1 *2 2 + 0 = 2
8. round, pinpoint spots that appear on the skin as a result of bleeding. [Embler] 1 6 (Naylor) (Bourne) 2
9. a ring of light around a shadow caused by reflection and diffraction of light rays. [Naylor] 8 13 (Mallach) (Bourne) 2
11. to leap or bound high in the air with the legs straight, as do certain antelopes and deer. [Madnick] NV (Stevens) (Mallach) 2
Tony Abell
Actually I did vote, but sent the email to you directly instead of to the
group. I don't recall the rules, but does that error on my part mean the votes
are forfeited?
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Tony Abell
Oh, and I might add that that error was because I simply replied to the call
for votes, as usual, but doing that no longer addresses the group, thanks to
the ill-advised removal of the Reply-To: header implemented by Dan Widdis as a
test.
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Johnb - co.uk
If I may make a double suggestion here
1 Dealers should not deal from the group - this would avoid the
proliferation of crowns we have had over the last few weeks where
a plain 'reply' also goes to the group (regardless of what one's
email header says as you post)
2. then Dan can revert the group to where we were -
This would mean that (for those of us who have it) there is an
accuracy to 'reply' - it goes to the poster and to ensure that
stuff goes to the group (again for those who have it) there is an
accuracy to 'reply to list'
Dave Cunningham
nancygoat
Daniel Widdis
The current setup was not available to us for many years, otherwise I would have done it at the very beginning. It has a very natural interpretation: when a dealer posts, "Reply" goes to the dealer and "Reply All" goes to.... well, "All". It's a single click either way, and requires no manual typing of addresses, no copying and pasting of emails.
It's even possible, if a dealer chooses to do so, for them to manually add the "Reply-to" when they post: they could have definitions go to a custom email different from the one where they post from.... they could, perhaps, even set the reply to go to the group when people vote, thus essentially restoring the former behavior for the voting round to minimize the chance of private votes (which I don't think are too horrible an error and are easily corrected).
This is how most of the world of email works everywhere except Google Groups, where for the last Decade, the powers that be decided to force a different interpretation on us.
The former setup required manual intervention to reply only to the dealer, and has resulted in countless Dixons and accidental public DQs.
I recognize it's a change from how things were, and it may take some time to adjust; but it's bringing things in line with how things are everywhere else. What sayeth the group at large?
Daniel Widdis
If I may offer my opinion on the double suggestion:
This would require the dealer to manually add email addresses of the entire membership of the group, respecting the members’ choice of delivery (I am a member on two addresses but only receive email on one, for example). Except many users want a daily digest of messages; it would be impossible to deliver to these members. If we want to impose an additional requirement on dealers, it would be simply specifying the “Reply-to” field for the voting round.
Letting users decide where to send their replies, and letting dealers decide where to have replies directed, is the email standard everywhere. I can revert the group to the way it was if everyone wants it that way, but I think the current setup is far superior.
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Nancy
its not a matter of dealing software but of mail software
you "have always dealt from the group" but you don't appear to do
so - a 'reply' says that the reply goes to your email
<nancygoat . at. gmail.com>
whereas a reply to Efrem says 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary
<dixo...@googlegroups.com> - and goes to the group
I have always dealt from the group. How would one not? I don't use dealing software.
Nancy
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Johnb - co.uk
Dan
I abide by your decision... I have too many email addresses that I monitor every day (17) and I am happy either way. I am especially happy not to have to live with Goole's interpretation of what should happen. I don't think we need to specify that dealers have to provide reply to addresses
France International/Mike Shefler
Judy Madnick
Original message
From: "France International/Mike Shefler" <sta...@salsgiver.com>
To: dixo...@googlegroups.com;
Dated: 6/29/2019 11:44:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Dixonary] VIRETOT results at last
On 6/29/2019 4:51 AM, Daniel Widdis wrote:
> I'm not so sure "ill-advised" is the right adjective here. As I have said repeatedly, I'm happy to put it back to how it was if there is a call to do so. Your email is the first one.
>
> The current setup was not available to us for many years, otherwise I would have done it at the very beginning. It has a very natural interpretation: when a dealer posts, "Reply" goes to the dealer and "Reply All" goes to.... well, "All". It's a single click either way, and requires no manual typing of addresses, no copying and pasting of emails.
>
> It's even possible, if a dealer chooses to do so, for them to manually add the "Reply-to" when they post: they could have definitions go to a custom email different from the one where they post from.... they could, perhaps, even set the reply to go to the group when people vote, thus essentially restoring the former behavior for the voting round to minimize the chance of private votes (which I don't think are too horrible an error and are easily corrected).
>
> This is how most of the world of email works everywhere except Google Groups, where for the last Decade, the powers that be decided to force a different interpretation on us.
>
> The former setup required manual intervention to reply only to the dealer, and has resulted in countless Dixons and accidental public DQs.
>
> I recognize it's a change from how things were, and it may take some time to adjust; but it's bringing things in line with how things are everywhere else. What sayeth the group at large?
>
>
>
>
> Oh, and I might add that that error was because I simply replied to the call
> for votes, as usual, but doing that no longer addresses the group, thanks to
> the ill-advised removal of the Reply-To: header implemented by Dan Widdis as a
> test.
>
>
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Daniel Widdis
“replying to all results in my message going to the group AND to the sender”
Yes, this is somewhat unfortunate, but not a huge problem. Individual emails have a “message ID” and most email software detects when you receive an email twice, from both your address and a forwarded group address, and it’s transparent to the recipient. So while Tim’s email account may receive the same message twice, assuming he is using any modern email software (such as Outlook or Thunderbird) he will never know the difference.
It is possible to delete the unwanted duplicate if you prefer (I just did with a single click plus keypress) but it’s not harmful to leave it there.
I agree there are some advantages to the “old way” but there are other advantages to the “new way” … which is really just the “old way everywhere else”.
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