[Dixonary] Round 2992 vote for FUGELMAN

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Efrem G Mallach

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Jun 20, 2019, 9:06:53 AM6/20/19
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Folks,

Twelve definitions of FUGELMAN  follow. Eleven were created by an expert panel after great expense of time, energy and Internet bits. The twelfth is correct. They have been edited (very slightly) for format consistency and are in ascending order of character count, which might not correspond to visual length in your email display font.

Please vote for two that you like for any reason (such as, but not necessarily, thinking that they might be correct) by public Reply to this message before the deadline that follows the list. If, on seeing the definitions, you realize that you know what FUGELMAN means, please notify me by private email to emallach <at> verizon <dot> net. 

1. a grasshopper.

2. [Rare] a scarecrow.

3. an interpreter or guide.

4. one who makes mezuzahs and other Judaica.

5. a wrestling hold from which escape is difficult.

6. a soldier used as an example for those learning drill.

7. a type of plumbing joint between pipes of unequal sizes.

8. [Ger.] a wanderer, especially one with no talents at all.

9. to drive away with a forgotten object on the roof of the car.

10. a cask usually containing two hogsheads, or 126 wine gallons; also, the quantity which it contains.

11. a worker stationed some distance up the line from a railroad working party to give a whistled warning of approaching trains.

12. a novel whose principal subject is the moral, psychological, and intellectual development of a usually youthful main character.

The deadline for votes is a bit under 48 hours from now: Saturday, June 22, at 9 am US EDT. According to timeanddate.com, that is:


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New players are welcome to vote. Submitting a definition is not a requirement for voting; the only requirement is that you not know what this word means. Full rules at http://www.dixonary.net/game-rules-and-advice/rules .

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Dealer Efrem

France International/Mike Shefler

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Jun 20, 2019, 9:25:27 AM6/20/19
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I'll  go with 8 and 11.

Judy Madnick

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Jun 20, 2019, 9:31:12 AM6/20/19
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4. one who makes mezuzahs and other Judaica (because I couldn't resist it)
 
and
 
7. a type of plumbing joint between pipes of unequal sizes (because there should be a name for it)
 
Judy Madnick
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Guerri Stevens

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Jun 20, 2019, 9:46:21 AM6/20/19
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I vote for 3 and 7.

On 6/20/2019 9:06 AM, 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary wrote:
Folks,

Twelve definitions of FUGELMAN  follow. Eleven were created by an expert panel after great expense of time, energy and Internet bits. The twelfth is correct. They have been edited (very slightly) for format consistency and are in ascending order of character count, which might not correspond to visual length in your email display font.

Please vote for two that you like for any reason (such as, but not necessarily, thinking that they might be correct) by public Reply to this message before the deadline that follows the list. If, on seeing the definitions, you realize that you know what FUGELMAN means, please notify me by private email to emallach <at> verizon <dot> net. 
3. an interpreter or guide.


Guerri Stevens

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Jun 20, 2019, 9:48:50 AM6/20/19
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I don't see my definition in the list, but perhaps I am forgetting what it was. I know that in the past I have been unable to send messages to Efrem, so that may be what happened.

O

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Guerri Stevens

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Jun 20, 2019, 9:56:33 AM6/20/19
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I vote for 3 and 7.

If you can see this message will you please let me know? I thought I sent a definition but don't see it or maybe have forgotten what it was.

On 6/20/2019 9:06 AM, 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary wrote:
Folks,

3. an interpreter or guide.


Christopher Carson

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Jun 20, 2019, 10:02:40 AM6/20/19
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Guerri,

 

I saw both your 9:56 and 9:48 voting messages.

 

Chris

 

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Debbie

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Jun 20, 2019, 10:14:13 AM6/20/19
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8 and 11 please

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Daniel B. Widdis

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Jun 20, 2019, 11:03:12 AM6/20/19
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I'll take flying green things and a scarecrow, since I just saw Wicked this weekend.

1 and 2 please.

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Tim B

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Jun 20, 2019, 11:40:31 AM6/20/19
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3 and 8, please.

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

Johnb - co.uk

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Jun 20, 2019, 1:09:06 PM6/20/19
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#6 and #9 please -The latter because I have actually managed to do that when the object was the keys of the car and the former because I was at the time taking a son to cadet training

JohnnyB

6. a soldier used as an example for those learning drill.


9. to drive away with a forgotten object on the roof of the car.

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Efrem G Mallach

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Jun 20, 2019, 1:18:08 PM6/20/19
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Guerri,

You sent "slang for a person who manages a political campaign," but it went to the whole group. A few other players responded with humorous comments such as "don't pay the Fugelman." I emailed you to that effect at about 10:45 am Tuesday. I didn't see any point in including a definition that everyone saw in the list.

Sorry,

Efrem

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On Jun 20, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Guerri Stevens <gue...@guerristevens.com> wrote:

I don't see my definition in the list, but perhaps I am forgetting what it was. I know that in the past I have been unable to send messages to Efrem, so that may be what happened.

O

On 6/20/2019 9:06 AM, 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary wrote:
Folks,

Twelve definitions of FUGELMAN  follow. Eleven were created by an expert panel after great expense of time, energy and Internet bits. The twelfth is correct. They have been edited (very slightly) for format consistency and are in ascending order of character count, which might not correspond to visual length in your email display font.

Please vote for two that you like for any reason (such as, but not necessarily, thinking that they might be correct) by public Reply to this message before the deadline that follows the list. If, on seeing the definitions, you realize that you know what FUGELMAN means, please notify me by private email to emallach <at> verizon <dot> net. 

1. a grasshopper.

2. [Rare] a scarecrow.

3. an interpreter or guide.

4. one who makes mezuzahs and other Judaica.

5. a wrestling hold from which escape is difficult.

6. a soldier used as an example for those learning drill.

7. a type of plumbing joint between pipes of unequal sizes.

8. [Ger.] a wanderer, especially one with no talents at all.

9. to drive away with a forgotten object on the roof of the car.

10. a cask usually containing two hogsheads, or 126 wine gallons; also, the quantity which it contains.

11. a worker stationed some distance up the line from a railroad working party to give a whistled warning of approaching trains.

12. a novel whose principal subject is the moral, psychological, and intellectual development of a usually youthful main character.

The deadline for votes is a bit under 48 hours from now: Saturday, June 22, at 9 am US EDT. According to timeanddate.com, that is:

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Vote on!

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Efrem G Mallach

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Jun 20, 2019, 1:19:24 PM6/20/19
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Saw this vote, loud and clear. It has been duly recorded.

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Tim Lodge

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Jun 20, 2019, 2:41:17 PM6/20/19
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I'll try 3 and 12.

 3. an interpreter or guide.

12. a novel whose principal subject is the moral, psychological, and intellectual development of a usually youthful main character.

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Dave Cunningham

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Jun 20, 2019, 2:58:41 PM6/20/19
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2 and 6 for their similarity.

Dave


Shani Naylor

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Jun 20, 2019, 7:50:09 PM6/20/19
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I'll vote 7 & 10, but #9 is all too familiar.....



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Daniel Widdis

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Jun 20, 2019, 8:42:22 PM6/20/19
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Regarding #9…. Last 30 seconds of this clip:

 

https://youtu.be/1rlmuazHsxc

 

 

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I'll vote 7 & 10, but #9 is all too familiar.....

 

 

 

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 1:06 AM 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <dixo...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Folks,

Twelve definitions of FUGELMAN  follow. Eleven were created by an expert panel after great expense of time, energy and Internet bits. The twelfth is correct. They have been edited (very slightly) for format consistency and are in ascending order of character count, which might not correspond to visual length in your email display font.

 

Please vote for two that you like for any reason (such as, but not necessarily, thinking that they might be correct) by public Reply to this message before the deadline that follows the list. If, on seeing the definitions, you realize that you know what FUGELMAN means, please notify me by private email to emallach <at> verizon <dot> net. 

 

1. a grasshopper.

2. [Rare] a scarecrow.

3. an interpreter or guide.

4. one who makes mezuzahs and other Judaica.

5. a wrestling hold from which escape is difficult.

6. a soldier used as an example for those learning drill.

7. a type of plumbing joint between pipes of unequal sizes.

8. [Ger.] a wanderer, especially one with no talents at all.

9. to drive away with a forgotten object on the roof of the car.

10. a cask usually containing two hogsheads, or 126 wine gallons; also, the quantity which it contains.

11. a worker stationed some distance up the line from a railroad working party to give a whistled warning of approaching trains.

12. a novel whose principal subject is the moral, psychological, and intellectual development of a usually youthful main character.

 

The deadline for votes is a bit under 48 hours from now: Saturday, June 22, at 9 am US EDT. According to timeanddate.com, that is:

 

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and other times in other places. Please check any time conversion that applies to you. That site is good, but nobody's perfect.

 

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Vote on!

 

Dealer Efrem

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Christopher Carson

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Jun 21, 2019, 8:15:22 AM6/21/19
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7 and 8 for me.

Chris

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Guerri Stevens

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Jun 21, 2019, 9:33:05 AM6/21/19
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Thanks.I think I do have something wrong on my end, but I am not sure what it is. If things are working right, I should find my fake definition message somewhere among sent messages, and I should also find you message to me about my  error in posting my fake def publicly. One thing I notice as am composing this message, is that it is addressed to

     Efrem G Mallach via dixonary<dixonary <onary   @googlegroups.com

Efrem G Mallach

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Jun 21, 2019, 9:44:34 AM6/21/19
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Guerri,

Because it was sent to me via Google Groups, it's is in the Google Groups message list, so we can all see it. So is my reply, in which I wrote that Judy will probably award you a crown, and so are the other comments on it - so you can find them all there if they're not among your emails. In the call for definitions I asked that definitions be sent to emallach <at> verizon <dot> net. As far as I'm aware, nothing sent to that address has ever gone missing or gone public. 

Efrem

Johnb - co.uk

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Jun 21, 2019, 1:16:09 PM6/21/19
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Guerri

Different mail clients do different things

you (I think) use thunderbird. It allows a 'reply' and a 'reply list' - 

for anyone who comes ' xxx via dixonary' as Efrem did this time then 'reply' will go to dixonary.

for  anyone who comes direct then 'reply' only goes to them


That is why we always add a 'reply to my-email at fred.com'

Hope this makes it clearer


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Tony Abell

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Jun 22, 2019, 1:45:57 AM6/22/19
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I'll vote for 3 and 6:

> 3. an interpreter or guide.

Guerri Stevens

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Jun 22, 2019, 10:16:40 AM6/22/19
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OK, I don't really understand, because it seems to me that if I reply to the sender of a message, my reply should go to that person's email address in the message to which I reply. As far as I know that still works for most players here. I don't understand the "via" stuff. What is that there for?

Efrem G Mallach

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Jun 22, 2019, 11:54:01 AM6/22/19
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Guerri,

As I understand it, and subject to correction by those who know more about this than I do:

If you click Reply to a request for definitions, that message goes to the entire group - exactly as it does when you click Reply to a call for votes. You get both messages the same way (via the group), so replies to both are handled the same way (to the group).

When you want to submit a fake definition privately, you can create a new message (not a Reply!) to the dealer, or delete the To address in your reply and enter the dealer's personal email address there instead. Many dealers tell you what address to use in the body of their requests for definitions. (I did,) Sending a definition as a Reply to the original request will send it to everyone, even if that request appears to come from the dealer.

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Johnb - co.uk

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Jun 22, 2019, 12:20:56 PM6/22/19
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Guerri

NB I am talking Thunderbird here - other mail clients may work differently

the 'via' is because Efrem posts the word from the group website. All of us could. But id so then why does a 'reply' also go to the group? - as I discovered to my cost about 4 or 5 games ago the 'via the group' also invokes a hidden 'reply to group' - and that is the way groups work and we can do nothing about it.

Basically we must always assure that our 'definitions' only go to the email address of the person who posts - just looking at where we are sending is not enough if is a 'via' posting because you can't see the automatic 'reply to group'  ***always use the address given in the body of the email *** is essential if you use TB to overcome the group rules


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Daniel Widdis

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Jun 22, 2019, 12:33:26 PM6/22/19
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Actually there’s something different about how Efrem sends email, than how you send email.

 

These are the relevant message headers for Efrem:

 

From: "'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary" <dixo...@googlegroups.com>

X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11)

X-Original-Sender: emal...@verizon.net

Reply-To: dixo...@googlegroups.com

Mailing-list: list dixo...@googlegroups.com; contact dixonar...@googlegroups.com

List-ID: <dixonary.googlegroups.com>

 

For you, John, I see:

 

From: "Johnb - co.uk" <jo...@john-barrs.co.uk>

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2

X-Original-Sender: jo...@john-barrs.co.uk

Reply-To: dixo...@googlegroups.com

Mailing-list: list dixo...@googlegroups.com; contact dixonar...@googlegroups.com

List-ID: <dixonary.googlegroups.com>

 

Note that the “From” is your personal address, which enable’s Thunderbird’s “reply to sender” option that is available if you have tagged an address as a “mailing list”  (This is not an option in Outlook).

 

Why Apple does this differently than Thunderbird, I don’t know.  But the bottom line here is that you can’t really rely on the email software to figure this stuff out, and you should always delete whatever appears in the reply-to and manually add email addresses for the dealer (and dealers should include their address in the post for this reason).

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Dixonary] Round 2992 vote for FUGELMAN

 

Guerri

 

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Johnb - co.uk

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Jun 22, 2019, 12:37:56 PM6/22/19
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Efrem

Not true for TB even if it is true for every other mail client

  • for TB 'reply' goes only to the sender
  • for TB 'reply group' goes to the group

the problem comes when a dealer posts the word from the group. What we see then is a...@xyz.com via Dixonary === if we then using TB, use 'reply' (which is what we normally do) then we see - before we post -- to a...@xyz.com BUT google group rules invoke  a 'hidden' reply to group so our reply gets posted.

It is not a problem if one understands that the nature of modern software is to do WHAT IT THINKS is going to be most helpful for the user. For instance I have just bought a new WIN10 computer. As issued, all software is Apps.and anapp is not the same as the exec. eg Firefox app is not the same as Firefoxny


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Efrem G Mallach

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Jun 22, 2019, 12:46:36 PM6/22/19
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Which is exactly why I wrote "subject to correction by those who know more about this than I do." Thank you!

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Daniel Widdis

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I think you were closer to the truth, Efrem.  The problem is that email from you doesn’t even have your own email address in the “From” line, so even if you reply to the person, it doesn’t work.

 

This may be a configuration of your outgoing email client that you can change.

 

Your advice to always “delete and enter the dealer’s email” is sound advice.

 

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Which is exactly why I wrote "subject to correction by those who know more about this than I do." Thank you!

 

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