[OT] Group Email Settings -- please vote

[Daniel B. Widdis]

Originally, I changed the email settings as a test, with the idea that I'd gather feedback later.  Of course, then I got distracted and feedback was sparse.   But it seemed most were at least content with the change and while I know it's hard to learn new things, I figured it'd be relearned soon enough, and that the impact of accidental private votes was a far less severe problem than the impact of public definitions (Dixons) or occasional public DQs revealing the def.

Of course, the confusion of this last round (and the difficulty with Cory, of which I am a fellow user) has highlighted that perhaps having things public by default is a preferred option.  Plus, Judy probably has a surplus of crowns in her closet and would really like to get rid of them, so perhaps the Dixon behavior isn't that bad after all? :)

So can we put this to a vote?  Where do we want replies sent?  Please reply with one of the below two options, or optionally abstain or indicate you're happy with what the plurality of voters say.

Option 1: "To the group". 

This was the previous setting that we've had for years, where both "reply" and "reply all" will be forced to the group email address.

Pro: 

We've been playing that way for years and are used to it

Votes are public by default

Easier for others to doublecheck dealer score errors

Email format that Coryphaeus expects

Matches the behavior of "public discussion" mailing lists

Matches original TAPCIS forum behavior where replies were public by default and users had to take specific action to send private email

Con:

Increases the chance of a Dixon or public DQ

The group takes away choice from both the sender and recipient of emails on configuring replies

Different reply-to behavior than normal email

Option 2: "Users decide where their replies are sent".

This is the current setting, where "Reply" goes to the author and "Reply All" goes to both the author and the recipient(s), in this case the group.

Pro:

Behaves like most email and email lists that aren't "public discussion" lists.

Gives the dealer a choice of configuring replies (The dealer could (optionally) set the reply to the group to prevent private votes)

Gives recipients a choice of replies (public "NAD" private defs by default)

Reduces the chance of Dixons or public DQs

Con:

Not what we're used to

Increases the chance of private votes and subsequent scoring confusion

Not compatible with Coryphaeus

Your votes?

Option 1: "To the group". 

Option 2: "Users decide where their replies are sent".

Option 3: "It's just a game, the only votes I want to cast are for fake defs."

[France International/Mike Shefler]

I vote for #1.

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[Judy Madnick]

To the group...please!

 

Judy

 

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Dated: 8/5/2019 6:38:04 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] [OT] Group Email Settings -- please vote

[Christopher Carson]

I’ll also opt for #1.

Chris

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[Daniel B Widdis]

As a Coryphaeus user I’m voting for #1 too.

 

That’s 5 to “go back” and nobody liking the way it currently is.  Is it too early to close the polls?  😃

 

I will try to switch it back before Judy posts her call for votes.

[Shani Naylor]

I'll also vote #1. My understanding is that the problem arose when Efrem's email address seemed to change. If that's the case, maybe we could change back and Efrem could put a note in his msg when he deals reminding players of this.

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[Christopher Carson]

I’ll also opt for 1.

Chris

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[Hugo Kornelis]

To me, it's just a game (and I'm not very active anway)
I usually remembe to check the To bar before sending a def, or a vote.

No preference from me.
(Well, I do have a slight personal preference but not big enough to make it into a vote)

Op 6-8-2019 om 00:38 schreef Daniel B. Widdis:

[Daniel B Widdis]

Oh, good, at least one vote for #3! 😊

 

Based on the overwhelming preference to let Google decide how to send our email, I’ll be switching it back to “To the Group” prior to the def submission deadline tomorrow.

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[Johnb - co.uk]

I'm happy either way now I know what to look for and I need a crown to add to my collection - so, I'll abstain

JohnnyB

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[Tim Lodge]

I'm going to abstain too.  I read all messages on the group website, send my fake defs as new messages in my email client, and only use reply on the website to cast my votes.  I suppose that's actually a vote for Option 3!

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[Tony Abell]

Option 1 for me. Since I think of the mailing list as a forum, not as a list
of private emails or an email thread with several participants, it's natural
that a simple reply goes to the group.

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On 2019-08-05 at 18:38 Daniel B. Widdis wrote:

> Originally, I changed the email settings as a test, with the idea that I'd
> gather feedback later. Of course, then I got distracted and feedback was
> sparse. But it seemed most were at least content with the change and
> while I know it's hard to learn new things, I figured it'd be relearned
> soon enough, and that the impact of accidental private votes was a far less
> severe problem than the impact of public definitions (Dixons) or occasional
> public DQs revealing the def.

> Of course, the confusion of this last round (and the difficulty with Cory,
> of which I am a fellow user) has highlighted that perhaps having things
> public by default is a preferred option. Plus, Judy probably has a surplus
> of crowns in her closet and would really like to get rid of them, so
> perhaps the Dixon behavior isn't that bad after all? :)

> So can we put this to a vote? Where do we want replies sent? Please reply
> with one of the below two options, or optionally abstain or indicate you're
> happy with what the plurality of voters say.

> *Option 1: "To the group". *

> This was the previous setting that we've had for years, where both "reply"
> and "reply all" will be forced to the group email address.

> Pro:
> We've been playing that way for years and are used to it
> Votes are public by default
> Easier for others to doublecheck dealer score errors
> Email format that Coryphaeus expects
> Matches the behavior of "public discussion" mailing lists
> Matches original TAPCIS forum behavior where replies were public by default
> and users had to take specific action to send private email

> Con:
> Increases the chance of a Dixon or public DQ
> The group takes away choice from both the sender and recipient of emails on
> configuring replies
> Different reply-to behavior than normal email

> *Option 2: "Users decide where their replies are sent".*

> This is the current setting, where "Reply" goes to the author and "Reply
> All" goes to both the author and the recipient(s), in this case the group.

> Pro:
> Behaves like most email and email lists that aren't "public discussion"
> lists.
> Gives the dealer a choice of configuring replies (The dealer could
> (optionally) set the reply to the group to prevent private votes)
> Gives recipients a choice of replies (public "NAD" private defs by default)
> Reduces the chance of Dixons or public DQs

> Con:
> Not what we're used to
> Increases the chance of private votes and subsequent scoring confusion
> Not compatible with Coryphaeus

> Your votes?

> *Option 1: "To the group". *
> *Option 2: "Users decide where their replies are sent".*
> *Option 3: "It's just a game, the only votes I want to cast are for fake
> defs."*

[Efrem G Mallach]

I was used to the old way. Now I'm used to the new way. I find it quite logical: I can click "reply" or "reply all" as the situation warrants, without ever needing to delete and replace an address. So, I have a slight preference for keeping the new way (option 2) - but I think I could get used to the old way again. Count me with the "don't cares." 

Efrem

[Guerri Stevens]

I vote for 1.

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[Daniel B. Widdis]

Votes for returning to the old way = 9

Votes for the new way = 0

Abstentions/don't care = 4

The settings have been returned to "to the group".

Judy, get your crowns ready. ;)

[Judy Madnick]

I have lots of them ready. LOL! Actually, that will be better than receiving duplicate messages or having a dealer reposting votes, I think.

 

Judy

 

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Dated: 8/6/2019 2:42:37 PM
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: [OT] Group Email Settings -- please vote

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