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Rob LO

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Jul 29, 2025, 4:30:47 AMJul 29
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https://youtube.com/shorts/A2eKfERu7-c?si=52VApS7iuJBaIWXA 

We appear to want to argue about "actuality" 
What actuality?
That is a question NOT a statement 

I am still inquiring?

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Janet Asiain

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Jul 29, 2025, 6:33:56 AMJul 29
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Rob, Diehards

Sometimes I feel that we question “actuality” in a vacuum/void/sterile environment. When a sage says there’s no such thing, s/he does it from an awakened place, that didn’t arise out of critical thinking.  When a scientist does it, it’s from a specific kind of exploration that leads to deeper understanding of matter. 

In fact I don’t think that either questions reality at all before the realization that it’s not what it looks like. So it’s like they’re reporting back to us from the “other side” but the information they share isn’t actually useful to those who haven’t realized what they have. 

More early morning ravings from “this” side -

Janet

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Rani Madhavapeddi

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Jul 29, 2025, 9:00:00 AMJul 29
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This guy has videos on how the world we see is a hallucination of the brain it’s not reality . Simple but elegant experiments to show what we see is our brains ability to make sense of what is out there,  and how even hearing is a cognition. 


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Paul Rezendes

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Rob, Janet,

I hesitate to come in here. Can I say this seems really simple to me? The subject is the object. The object is the subject, they are co-arising. Everything is what it is because I am who I am. I am that and that is me. It seems to me that outside that relationship, the observer and the observed, we don't know what anything is except maybe we can say it is all potential arising as it does according to the observer. I don't mean to say the observer comes first.

Just my simplistic take on “things.”

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Dan Kilpatrick

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Jul 29, 2025, 9:48:04 AMJul 29
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All, 

might actuality be that we are taking our experiencing as actuality?

-Dan

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Dan Kilpatrick

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Jul 29, 2025, 9:50:25 AMJul 29
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Sorry, but we might  be assuming actuality is a thing. Is it? Or is this how we are actually experiencing?

-Dan

Paul Rezendes

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Jul 29, 2025, 9:50:27 AMJul 29
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Dan,

What else is there?

Paul

Dan Kilpatrick

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Jul 29, 2025, 9:52:05 AMJul 29
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Paul, yes, we may be assuming actuality is something else, a thing.

-Dan

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Paul Rezendes

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Jul 29, 2025, 9:57:01 AMJul 29
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Dan, yes, experiencing is empty of things. It seems to me experiencing doesn't have any subject or object. They both collapse in on each other as life/experiencing.

Paul



Dan Kilpatrick

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Jul 29, 2025, 10:03:07 AMJul 29
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Yes, experiencing of things is actuality, as seen from here. And our not experiencing all experiencing is also actuality, what is. We remain human beings.

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Paul Rezendes

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Jul 29, 2025, 10:07:29 AMJul 29
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Dan, yes, thanks for putting the rubber on the road!

Paul

Rene

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Jul 29, 2025, 10:11:04 AMJul 29
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Hi All,

Be it a hallucination, or non actuality or whatever, it seems to be happening. Like a drug induced hallucination, when it is taking place is a happening that is. This realization seems to be how this works, but does not seem to stop it from being. 

"I" am being hallucinated which includes everything.

But again it is still a happening and seems to be how this works.

Having said that is it possible to hallucinate in a more non destructive manner? Where it's a good trip instead of a bad one.

Though it seems they're all good in a teaching sense. This is the question that has come up on my end. Is this a thing or another layer of hallucinations? 

Is this the hallucination hallucinating that the hallucination wants a better hallucination?
 

Regards,

Rene Salazar

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Paul Rezendes

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Jul 29, 2025, 10:35:44 AMJul 29
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Rene,

Thanks for the email. I did get a chuckle out of it.

The Buddhists talk about two arrows. The first arrow is physical pain, that is actually what it is. The second arrow we shoot is that the pain shouldn't be there. I have to stop it and do something about it, creating a bunch of suffering over the suffering. 

Paul



Dan Kilpatrick

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Jul 29, 2025, 10:45:17 AMJul 29
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Paul, Rene, All,

thanks guys. I'm out doing errands... But just briefly now:

As Paul shared, ther is nothing "outside" experiencing to be experienced. Is experiencing itself being experienced....? Is not being separate being experienced? Or is it just how it is?

It occurs to me that facts have an action on us that is not just what we might experience. Negation, revealing the truth of the false. So experiencing may be affected or altered without it being experienced. Not within experiencing. Yet undeniable. 
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Rene

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Jul 29, 2025, 10:51:05 AMJul 29
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Hi Paul, Dan and all,

What's coming up for me is the noticing of these 2nd arrows and how the experience is affected by the just noticing them. Is the way I am understanding this. Has an effect on the hallucination or experience itself. 

Rene Salazar

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Paul Rezendes

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Jul 29, 2025, 11:02:31 AMJul 29
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Rene,

If I understand you… yes. Wei Wu Wei. Something is acting without an actor. The very seeing is its own action and change. We don't need to do anything.

Paul

Dan Kilpatrick

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Jul 29, 2025, 12:40:11 PMJul 29
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Thanks Rene and Paul. Rene, yes, I am hearing the same thing in what you shared. To me, it really seems to boil down to the revealing of how we are looking at everything. This is where the action is occurring, in our consciousness (sense of reality). The seeing/revealing and the actuality are one and the same, it seems to me. No object being seen.....  -Dan

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Dan Kilpatrick

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Jul 30, 2025, 2:00:42 PMJul 30
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Paul, Rene, Everyone, 

This recent discussion around experiencing seems to distill itself down to something pretty uncomplicated, it seems to me: 

We are the perceiving, experiencing, behaving that is happening, not in any way distinct or other than this. We are not "what's" or things existing separately from what is happening. 

So again, it is interesting to notice this tendency to see ourselves and anything else as things. This is the very perceiving being pointed to here, which we are when it occurs (imho). We are never separate from perceiving. 

We might conclude from this that we are verbs and not nouns, but living is not a conclusion. All this can be much more immediate than a conclusion, it seems to me.....  This is not to diminish forming conclusions, it is about seeing them as they are.  -Dan

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