--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAAfzGUT_a5NqYynhOCOQ%3DoZSvy%2BJJRqELNxV33a%2B3UBq25y1OA%40mail.gmail.com.
On Jul 27, 2021, at 11:27 PM, Debi Lee <dle...@icloud.com> wrote:
Sheri and Diehards,
Sheri, perhaps you shared this because you see where this entire world has been, and is heading very swiftly now. I’ve attached a short video clip, and will echo something Dan K. wrote in an earlier email: NIMBY—-Not in my backyard. I’ll add that it’s my belief that all puppets/presidents are all on the same team. What you witness on your TVs is a SHOW of opposition to keep us divided and distracted while THEY roll out the New World Order (that I’ve heard every puppet, I mean president mention, but not define, since Reagan). Their motto is: Divide and Conquer because they knew if we were ever united they could never roll out their New World Order. They’ve divided us religiously, politically, nationally, racially, economically, gender wise, and now they’ve divided us through this planned Covid hoax, the vaccinated against the unvaccinated. I believe it was Shakespeare that said: All the world’s a stage. He knew because he was one of them.
<Video.MOV>debi🕉The most fundamental harm we can do to ourselves is to remain ignorant by not having the courage and the respect to look at ourselves honestly and gently. 💟
Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 26, 2021, at 11:23 AM, terrilcornwell via Diehard Group <diehar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/633371625.1223634.1627312647768%40mail.yahoo.com.
On Jul 28, 2021, at 00:11, 'Debi Lee' via Diehard Group <diehar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Diehards,
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/3AAE7514-463C-43AC-80AF-E3C0CBF80510%40icloud.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/53E4E4FC-69F0-438F-B18F-E602BB7F3325%40gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/3AAE7514-463C-43AC-80AF-E3C0CBF80510%40icloud.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/6DD9F185-13AD-44E8-A070-134F3FE4934C%40paulrezendes.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAAfzGUQv5r9sMeKbNBf_JiRVf_yx2LboJrgYUzjHthDFOTSeNg%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAAfzGUQv5r9sMeKbNBf_JiRVf_yx2LboJrgYUzjHthDFOTSeNg%40mail.gmail.com.
So this matter of covid etc, to me, is not about anything other than caring for ourselves, for each other, and for our world as a whole. Covid seems to have become something that moves us away from the very thing most needed right now, compassion.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAF%2B97fedcNxef93ZKknGeMe6tzJG5ihD3kDr3%3DXD0P-u3%2Bp1hA%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAGgGDoAT8Sc7Atqr4HQBJKdSNDWAXr5HHZs_rRMngyaZrdJivw%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/1648722405.451184.1627491327949%40connect.xfinity.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/E97CFC2E-02D5-4635-B186-5B4B50782B37%40paulrezendes.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/8b2ee8fc-962a-437b-9b53-95aa50a3f3cd%40me.co
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/7FCAA621-A58D-4F57-BF61-7AE35930BEC8%40gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/7FCAA621-A58D-4F57-BF61-7AE35930BEC8%40gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/317B926C-C795-4DD7-B326-B7956881EC68%40gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/664618700.456151.1627571466966%40connect.xfinity.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAGgGDoC%2B29084oaB2i06SVb1nEiYwpYvqAPiHZOBaYoZF0EQeA%40mail.gmail.com.
On Jul 30, 2021, at 12:20 AM, Debi Lee <dle...@icloud.com> wrote:
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/383EB0BA-EDB2-4CA3-8FBE-68D28F7ECD91%40icloud.com.
On Jul 30, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Janet Asiain <janet...@gmail.com> wrote:
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAGdKTP5K7euLfZcBfQo2fU%2B53_0UVWcSvRBNcqNkahGPJVK%2BDA%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/02D871CE-91DA-495E-8FB4-BA33C336FF83%40icloud.com.
Diehards
I have kept silent until now, admittedly, to see how things played out. I thought it only fair, however, that I check in at some point, since I’m the one who kicked the hornet’s nest. Sorry if this is a come-down after the lofty words that preceded it. First of all, I apologize if my blunt response to Debi’s posts was offensive to anyone. No doubt I could have taken a gentler approach. Debi’ is right, I came to this with a history. Debi and I have been at this same juncture before, when we had a small self-inquiry group here in Goldsboro. She started introducing some similar, and Q-Anon related material. I appreciate the wise, openhearted, non-judgemental, compassionate comments that have flowed. I wouldn’t have expected anything less from this group.
The bottom line, for me, is 1) As has been said, this is not the place for those conversations. And 2) I cannot support, encourage, or condone the kind of dangerous misinformation that can, and has, cost lives. If taking such a position makes me less “spiritual” or is not in keeping with the mores of this group, then perhaps I should bow out.
Much Love to All,
Kevin
Jim
Paul
Paul
Diehards,
Terri
Slowly I came back from the dead...I left the hospital on my own two feet. I was nothing but skin and bones, but I had recovered. The fact was I was so happy that now Buchenwald seemed to me a place which if not welcome was at least possible. If they didn't give any bread to eat, I would feed on hope.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/950282709.1626736.1627671290478%40mail.yahoo.com.
On Jul 30, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Kevin Shuey <kas...@gmail.com> wrote:
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/51C0E9C5-1988-44A1-AAE2-218672D3C4D6%40hxcore.ol.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/51C0E9C5-1988-44A1-AAE2-218672D3C4D6%40hxcore.ol.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/e353ce9f-95ea-4635-a724-4489ad246da9n%40googlegroups.com.
On Jul 31, 2021, at 12:43 AM, Sheri R <anne...@gmail.com> wrote:
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/e353ce9f-95ea-4635-a724-4489ad246da9n%40googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/1998816770.464810.1627706645413%40connect.xfinity.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/510D5DF9-5072-40E6-95D6-1062279755F6%40aol.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/08E1DB06-509D-4B8D-9BBC-7B6DAD8CB530%40paulrezendes.com.
Dear Diehards,
Thank you all for your openheartedness (if that’s a word.) I have learned a lot about myself - not all pretty - these past few days, just by watching in the mirror this group can be. I value how that can help in individual self-inquiry. I appreciate the expressions of welcome. Good advise Sheri, - stay, look, inquire… Debi, it was not my intention to pick at a scab, I just felt the need to put my original comment in context. Thank you all, including Debi, for continually bringing the focus back to self-inquiry. I will do my best to do the same. But mostly, I’ll just listen.
I’ll finish with a dip in one of Paul’s favorite metaphors:
~ ~ ~ ~ ~
My feet are in the ocean
The waves are in my ears
But the notion that I’m separate
Is the source of all my tears
-ks
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAGgGDoDswkADfkQbcq8FUYK%3DzpPh7H0xeeuAk2hcxhdsN15Rig%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/83A930B0-A398-4A52-875A-AE3E9C7A993A%40hxcore.ol.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/83A930B0-A398-4A52-875A-AE3E9C7A993A%40hxcore.ol .
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/7F2CA81B-D94E-4A00-8208-C8DF6063E033%40paulrezendes.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/492594896.466104.1627751862941%40connect.xfinity.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/510D5DF9-5072-40E6-95D6-1062279755F6%40aol.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/23882188-d875-45ff-be9c-11f19f233359n%40googlegroups.com.
While I read all the posts on this forum, I rarely post myself because I still feel new here. But I felt I had to respond to this thread.
I find all this rather disturbing. I do “give a rat’s ass” about disinformation, and can very easily tell what’s nonsense by doing a simple search. You have to twist yourself into quite a pretzel to believe any of the conspiracy theories about being implanted with 5g, or the world being run by the Illuminati (a very anti-Semitic trope).
Back in the 80s and 90s I was entertained by some of the conspiracy theories at the time, which seemed quite innocent (compared to the dangerous stuff today)—ufos, crop circles, the theories about the JFK assassination, even the 9/11 stuff. But I always went to reliable sources to check them out, and while there were always some things unexplained, most of the conspiracy theories were built on quicksand. As the saying goes, "keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out." What I learned about conspiracy theories I applied to my search into the nature of reality, staying away from groups that had charismatic leaders, abusive tactics, and rigid belief systems. And very rarely getting involved with any groups at all.
Not long ago, there was a group of people who met in the park below our apartment terrace. I could never hear what they were saying, but it was apparently some kind of spiritual thing, they had a big book, and this man, the leader, gave some kind of talk. We got to calling them “the cult,” because that’s what it appeared to be.
Soon after, when I went off to my room for our Thursday night Conversations meetings, my husband would say, jokingly (I hope), “oh, you have the cult tonight.” It made me cringe.
If there’s one thing I’ve appreciated about the TAT group and the Diehards, and the Conversations group, is that there is no leader, no set of beliefs, and an intellectual approach to finding the truth. If I had to categorize it, I like to think of it as more akin to philosophy than religion. But even though we can quote Einstein, Boehm and Emerson, if you try to explain Nonduality to the average person you wind up sounding batshit crazy. So I am concerned lest we be even more tarred by being connected with the Qanon crowd.
A couple of years ago, I was surprised and distressed to see that Bart Marshall, one of the founding members of TAT, had a Twitter account in which he posted and retweeted all sorts of Qanon memes, very racist, far-right, hateful posts (for instance, that Michelle Obama is a man). At first I thought his account had been hacked, then I checked his Facebook page and found the same, although slightly tamer stuff there. He even gave a somewhat rambling excuse for why he was into that stuff, after some of his Facebook followers questioned him. His Twitter account has since disappeared, perhaps in the Twitter disinformation purge of anti-vaxxer disinformation. His Facebook page still exists, although he hasn’t posted there in a while. He has even written about some of his conspiracy theory stuff in an otherwise interesting autobiography, so I don’t think I am giving away anything that he has not made apparent himself.
I was concerned at the time that the TAT foundation I had recently joined was into Qanon, since Bart was. I had an email exchange with Shawn Nevins and found this was not the case.
Bart's Twitter account has since disappeared, perhaps in the Twitter disinformation purge of anti-vaxxer disinformation. His Facebook page still exists, although he hasn’t posted there in a while. He has even written about some of his conspiracy theory stuff in an otherwise interesting autobiography, and talked about "The Great Awakening" in his last TAT presentation, so I don’t think I am giving away anything that he has not made apparent himself. And perhaps Bart can be given a pass, since he went through a serious mental illness.
As many of you must realize, Nonduality and the spiritual search attracts people with problems, looking for relief, help and control over their lives. Unfortunately, this means that a fair amount of them are gullible. If you google “spirituality and Qanon” you will find a bunch of articles on how conspiracy theories have infiltrated the spirituality scene. There is even an Apple Podcast called “Conspirituality” that focuses on this.
So I am concerned about just accepting this kind of thing without calling it out. I think Kevin’s first post had the right tone. Conspiracy theories and Qanon are not just “politics”, they are dangerous superstition and hateful rhetoric.
Sincerely,
Mary
On Aug 1, 2021, at 12:17, Mary Alfieri <alphies...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Diehards--
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/8e755f02-dbe4-471b-bba2-7c9105c401a5n%40googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/D9A71314-2A90-482A-8337-566A70C22533%40gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/348933859.1213816.1627841935557%40mail.yahoo.com.


To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/2109621174.860435.1627844758089%40connect.xfinity.com.
On Aug 2, 2021, at 06:50, Rob LO <bein...@gmail.com> wrote:
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAPa3K%2B7%3Dt5NWEJ2kAPCpbH-TBnWJ90K-f6aRt4U6sSBdmNiuWw%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/F49F7E34-033D-4298-9C4E-0B7E4DF58417%40gmail.com.
In case you couldn't read the article, here is at least most of it:
Beyond human endurance
How climate change is making parts of the world too hot and humid to survive
Deadly heat waves have swept the globe and will continue to because of climate change.The trends are prompting doomsday questions: Will parts of the world soon become too hot to live in? How will we survive?ByandJuly 28, 2021When it comes to heat, the human body is remarkably resilient — it’s the humidity that makes it harder to cool down. And humidity, driven in part by climate change, is increasing.A measurement of the combination of heat and humidity is called a “wet-bulb temperature,” which is determined by wrapping a completely wet wick around the bulb of a thermometer. Scientists are using this metric to figure out which regions of the world may become too dangerous for humans.A term we rarely hear about, the wet-bulb temperature reflects not only heat, but also how much water is in the air. The higher that number is, the harder it is for sweat to evaporate and for bodies to cool down.At a certain threshold of heat and humidity, “it’s no longer possible to be able to sweat fast enough to prevent overheating,” said Radley Horton a professor at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory.Scientists have found that Mexico and Central America, the Persian Gulf, India, Pakistan and Southeast Asia are all careening toward this threshold before the end of the century.Story continues below advertisement“Humid heat risks are grossly underestimated today and will increase dramatically in the future,” Horton said. “As locations around the world experience previously rare or unprecedented extremes with increasing frequency, we run the risk that our previous messaging about extreme heat risk — already woefully inadequate — will fall further short of the mark.”You might think that being closer to the beach would be a great way to catch that ocean breeze and cool off. But Horton said proximity to water in extreme conditions could make things worse. As warming temperatures cause the water to evaporate, it adds humidity to the air.“If you’re sitting in a city along the Persian Gulf, the sea breeze could be a deadly breeze,” he said.To better understand why these places are becoming too hot and humid for humans to endure, you have to first understand how the body cools itself. As the sun heats up the air, the ground, objects and people, the human body will react in an effort to cool itself.The skin sweats. Evaporation of this water cools the body — as long as the surrounding humidity levels allow the evaporation to take place.If the hot air is too humid, that heat exchange is blocked and the body loses its primary means of cooling itself.The wet-bulb temperature that marks the upper limit of what the human body can handle is 95 degrees Fahrenheit (35 Celsius). But any temperatures above 86 degrees Fahrenheit (30 Celsius) can be dangerous and deadly. Horton and other scientists noted in a 2020 paper that these temperatures are occurring with increasing frequency in parts of the world. To put things in perspective, the highest wet-bulb temperature ever recorded in the Washington region, known for its muggy, unbearable summers, was 87.2 degrees (30.7 Celsius).“Extreme humid heat overall has more than doubled in frequency since 1979,” the study’s authors wrote.These conditions are reaching that deadly threshold in places like South Asia and the Middle East and could regularly cross it by 2075, scientists say.Horton and his colleagues found parts of the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan have each passed the 95 degree mark for one or two hours more than three times since 1987.On the coast of the Gulf of California, in the Mexican state of Sonora, scientists are also seeing a “very significant” increase in wet-bulb and air temperatures, said Tereza Cavazos, a senior researcher in the department of physical oceanography at the Ensenada Center for Scientific Research and Higher Education.During the summer, parts of the gulf can reach temperatures of 86 to 87.8 degrees Fahrenheit (30 to 31 degrees Celsius), which causes the water to evaporate more quickly. The combination of warmer waters and increasing heat trends in Sonora are causing the wet-bulb temperatures to reach dangerous levels.Story continues below advertisement“Just increasing 1 or 2 degrees Celsius can be the tipping point for changing the impact,” Cavazos said.The blistering heat is resulting in difficult living conditions, especially for communities that lack resources to provide relief.Why some will survive while others die
Even below these thresholds, cooling down is hard work on the body. The efforts to fight the effects of heat puts pressure on your heart and kidneys. With extreme heat, people’s organs can start to fail. If you have preexisting conditions, it’s even more likely. As your body works to cool down, the heart works harder in an effort to pump blood up just below the surface of the skin, where it can get cooler.The kidneys work harder to conserve your body’s water.When your body temperature gets too high, it will ultimately cause your body’s proteins to break down, its enzymes to stop regulating your organs’ functions and your organs to start shutting down.This is a heat stroke: Your body essentially cooks to the point where you have multi-organ failure.In heat waves, many deaths are due to health problems exacerbated by the extreme conditions.“It’s very clear during a heat wave, more people do die of heat stroke,” said Zachary Schlader, an associate professor at Indiana University Bloomington who focuses on thermal stress and the human body. But even more die of heart-related conditions. “The body responds [to heat] in such a way it could make the organ vulnerable.”During heat waves there are some simple ways to take care of your body. If you have air conditioning, the solution is simple: Go inside.If you don’t have those resources, hydrate. Drinking water can ease the load on the heart, kidneys and other organs.Take a break: Even moderate physical exertion such as walking greatly increases the heat your body’s muscles will generate.Protecting yourself from such stress is inextricably tied to socioeconomic status and resources.“The poorest people are the most vulnerable, and they are already suffering,” Cavazos said, noting that Sonora depends on farming, meaning a lot of people have to engage in physical labor in the dangerous heat.In regions like the Persian Gulf, extreme heat is the new normal: Qatar has adapted so extensively to the blistering climate that it air-conditions the outdoors. But not everyone has access to outdoor air conditioning, including those building the facilities that have them. When the wealthy country began construction on venues to host the 2022 World Cup, it faced an uproar over its treatment of workers building the stadiums.In 2019, the United Nations warned during the four hottest months of the year, outdoor laborers in Qatar were working under "significant occupational heat stress conditions.“Story continues below advertisementQatar in May imposed regulations expanding the number of hours that prohibits outdoor labor from taking place to 10 a.m. and 3:30 p.m. during the hotter months of the year, while also outlawing any work if the wet-bulb temperature is more than approximately 89 degrees Fahrenheit.Merely surviving in those conditions depends on your place in society and what that affords: access to air conditioning, insulated homes, jobs that don’t require extreme physical exertion under the sun and policies in place to protect you from dangerous conditions.“As humans, we have learned to adapt,” Cavazos said. “The problem is the cost. Some will not survive.”
-----Original Message-----
From: terrilcornwell via Diehard Group <diehar...@googlegroups.com>
To: kilp...@gmail.com <kilp...@gmail.com>; diehar...@googlegroups.com <diehar...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2021 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: Consider 3 Men
Dan,Thank you for this:
So this matter of covid etc, to me, is not about anything other than caring for ourselves, for each other, and for our world as a whole. Covid seems to have become something that moves us away from the very thing most needed right now, compassion.
Terri
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Kilpatrick <kilp...@gmail.com>
To: diehar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 28, 2021 12:21 pm
Subject: Re: Consider 3 Men
Diehards,I just caught up with this thread, and truthfully, I have no sense of having insight or solutions to all the chaos that is transpiring. If there is anything to say, right now, it seems simply to be returning to simple facts, to solid ground. Not our beliefs, but to simply see that we have beliefs and that these are all they are. We all share this tendency, it is neither right nor wrong. But death is a fact, full stop, and people are dying of covid. Our neighbor across the street died of covid this past Spring, and the impact of this on his wife and family was devastating, and remains so. This is not a belief, it is a fact. No amount of believing is going to change this fact.It is a wonderful thing to not have been affected by this disease passing through humanity right now. But this does not mean, it seems to me, that I or anyone should assume we are therefore not at risk of becoming ill and even dying. It simply means that we have been very fortunate, and there is true value in appreciating this. Things could be different. We (as the human being and personality) could not be here now. We would not be here to appreciate this fact, but we would be missed and others would be suffering over it. Also, we likely would have gone through some terrible circumstances on the way to not being here anymore.So this matter of covid etc, to me, is not about anything other than caring for ourselves, for each other, and for our world as a whole. Covid seems to have become something that moves us away from the very thing most needed right now, compassion. Division will simply take anything that comes its way and turn it into more division. It can't help itself, because this is its movement. But to see the actual fact of this, the truth of this, is this very compassion, in which no one is separate. There is compassion for division that can't see what it is doing. No words are needed then...... -Dan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:58 AM Sheri R <anne...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you, Paul. Sobering.Kevin, I see the post now. Had to go to the Diehards on 'the web'. It did not populate in my email.
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 9:18 AM Paul Rezendes <pho...@paulrezendes.com> wrote:
Debi, Diehards,Debi, my heart sank reading your emails. As of lately I have been very, very concerned about the mental health of people in this world. It does not look good to me. It seems pretty hopeless. Just my personal opinion. I think people have really lost it; they are going off the cliff. They just have left this planet. Alan Watts said a long time ago: "if this issue (the false self) is not addressed, people will eventually go mad and self destruct." I think that is actually what’s happening. It is not only a mental health issue, but also what we are doing to this planet. I think the planet is going to hit back and it's not going to be pretty. I'm just being frank here and upfront.As far as the fragmentation we see in society, from what I can see, it is due to the separate one, the thinker of the thought, the false self. To think that this fragmentation is being caused by some power is just creating more fragmentation… Yikes! Where the hell is this going to end?I have feelings, and I'm not feeling good about all this. It just doesn't look like it's going in a good direction. I know, I know... good luck, bad luck, who knows? We really don't know.I would like to end with love and affection to everyone,Paul 😥
On Jul 28, 2021, at 12:11 AM, 'Debi Lee' via Diehard Group <diehar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Diehards,
I forgot to mention I don’t believe any president worldwide was ever elected, they’re all selected decades in advance and they do what they’re told, they have no real power. And, most are all related. For instance, it appears that Killary Clinton and Donald DRUMPF—his real name, are cousins. When you ‘cast’ your vote you participate in their black magic. It also appears that standing 6 feet apart and wearing masks are part of satanic rituals, another way for you to participate in their sick game they play with us. Or not. I’ve never worn a mask, nor have I ever social distanced, nor have I slathered that poison called hand sanitizer on the largest organ on my body and amazingly enough I have not even had a sniffle since this whole hoax began. looks like they renamed the flu to me. And the reason they do not advertise the Covid vaccines on TV is because by law you are supposed to also list all side effects, which Death is just one of them. I wonder how many vaccinated people were informed of that before their doctor jabbed them. Below is a link that has some information that might surprise many of you and prompt you to google the list of ingredients of the Covid vaccines. Potassium chloride is in Pfizer’s; that is one of three ingredients used in lethal injections for our inmates in the US, it stops the heart. Not one Covid vaccine is FDA approved for safety, it is approved for emergency use only and that is why they call it “testing” and “trials”, they are now using “trials” on children, healthy children!
debi
🕉The most fundamental harm we can do to ourselves is to remain ignorant by not having the courage and the respect to look at ourselves honestly and gently. 💟
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 27, 2021, at 11:27 PM, Debi Lee <dle...@icloud.com> wrote:
Sheri and Diehards,Sheri, perhaps you shared this because you see where this entire world has been, and is heading very swiftly now. I’ve attached a short video clip, and will echo something Dan K. wrote in an earlier email: NIMBY—-Not in my backyard. I’ll add that it’s my belief that all puppets/presidents are all on the same team. What you witness on your TVs is a SHOW of opposition to keep us divided and distracted while THEY roll out the New World Order (that I’ve heard every puppet, I mean president mention, but not define, since Reagan). Their motto is: Divide and Conquer because they knew if we were ever united they could never roll out their New World Order. They’ve divided us religiously, politically, nationally, racially, economically, gender wise, and now they’ve divided us through this planned Covid hoax, the vaccinated against the unvaccinated. I believe it was Shakespeare that said: All the world’s a stage. He knew because he was one of them.<Video.MOV>
debi
🕉The most fundamental harm we can do to ourselves is to remain ignorant by not having the courage and the respect to look at ourselves honestly and gently. 💟
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 26, 2021, at 11:23 AM, terrilcornwell via Diehard Group <diehar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Terri
Slowly I came back from the dead....I left the hospital on my own two feet. I was nothing but skin and bones, but I had recovered. The fact was I was so happy that now Buchenwald seemed to me a place which if not welcome was at least possible. If they didn't give any bread to eat, I would feed on hope.
It was the truth. I still had eleven months ahead of me in the camp. But today I have not a single evil memory of those three hundred and thirty days of extreme wretchedness. I was carried by a hand. I was covered by a wing. I hardly needed to look out for myself, and such concern would have seemed to me ridiculous. I was free now to help the others; not always, not much, but in my own way I could help......From that time on they stopped stealing my bread or my soup. It never happened again. Often comrades would wake me in the night and take me to comfort someone....That is how I lived, how I survived. The rest I cannot describe."
I've not always exactly known what has pulled/pushed this search with such ferocity and tenaciousness. But here it is, laid bare.VF; Please, no more analysis of human spirit/personality. No more theories about the meaning of life. No more books from the guts of hell trying to inspire a life that has meaning.EW: Please, no more self flagellation of heroic proportions. No more keeping vigil over the fire of humanity until someone figures it outs. No more haunted life.JL: Light. God, Being. Alive. YES!--
Sheri Rink Dip.PT, Acup., RYT
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAAfzGUT_a5NqYynhOCOQ%3DoZSvy%2BJJRqELNxV33a%2B3UBq25y1OA%40mail.gmail.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/633371625.1223634.1627312647768%40mail.yahoo.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/3AAE7514-463C-43AC-80AF-E3C0CBF80510%40icloud.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/6DD9F185-13AD-44E8-A070-134F3FE4934C%40paulrezendes.com.
--
Sheri Rink Dip.PT, Acup., RYT
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAAfzGUQv5r9sMeKbNBf_JiRVf_yx2LboJrgYUzjHthDFOTSeNg%40mail.gmail.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAGgGDoAT8Sc7Atqr4HQBJKdSNDWAXr5HHZs_rRMngyaZrdJivw%40mail.gmail.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/948095981.743559.1627491173077%40mail.yahoo.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/739000804.40976.1627495215259%40mail.yahoo.com.
On Aug 2, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Dan Kilpatrick <kilp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Terri
🕊Janet🕊
Sent from my iPhone
No apology necessary, Deb. At least in the opinion of this Diehard.
In unedited language; I don't give a rat's ass about misinformation for a couple of reasons;1. I don't really know and can't really know what is and is not misinformation. At the end of the day I can only ever know awareness of the perception, the 'what' of perception is highly, highly subjective and therefor all information can be said to be misinformation because it's filtered through brain and spit out the other side as concept (and that might very well be an opinion)2. I am infinitely more interested in context, that is, understanding how someone has come to such an opinion/position/belief and what their orientation is to it and to others. In this there is, as much as is possible, movement to try to understand another. And by understanding another I mean to try to see where their identification is that is leading to division and sense of separateness. A lot of things make sense with enough context and when seen from another's perspective3. There is not an ounce of doubt that I too could have been a serial killer, a rapist, a Q-anon supporter or rebuker, a monk, saint and common person, given one degree of change to any of the context items 'I' have absolutely no control over; ie born into an ashram setting, having a mentally ill parent, having be assaulted as a child.I am all of these or none of these....... and perhaps neither.With love as always.
On Sunday, 1 August 2021 at 05:47:35 UTC-6 dlee494 wrote:
Terri,From where I'm sitting, it looks and feels as though I'm the one who kicked the hornets nest. I agree with you when you say, "sometimes kicking the hornets nest is just what is needed."What I also hear you not saying is that my voice, nor me as a fellow human being is valued by you. Even though I value my opinion of myself above anyone else's in this entire world, it still hurts to feel that; my sense is you're not alone here. Feelings of anger, hurt and fear came up within when I read your post. I sat with it long enough to not only see how it's another link in the same chain here (it brought up memories and patterns), but to feel a sense of compassion for you. I've had to do it a number of times, it's kind of like the dancing with the cramps in my legs and feet that come during my yoga classes almost daily. Whether it was your intention or not to trigger distressing feelings within me, I actually dance in and out of feeling like I cherish your post more than Sheri's or Janet's where I felt supported and valued as a human being because It's the conflict that gets triggered in me that forces me to look within. My intention is to sit with the layers of anger, hurt, and fear your post triggered in me, (after my guest leaves) with sustained attention until I land where I always land, when I sit with sustained attention, with what's going on within me and that is the 'place' of love.Perhaps people think I owe an apology here. If I thought I harmed anyone here, I would most definitely apologize and do anything I could to 'make it right.' If anyone thinks I owe an apology here, I'm all ears.Blessings to you always, Terri.debi
On July 31, 2021 at 7:15 AM, "'TERRI CORNWELL' via Diehard Group" < diehar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Kevin,I echo Jim’s comments. I, too, have the same feelings about misinformation. You are a valued voice….sometimes kicking the hornet’s nest is just what is needed…Blessings,Terri
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2021, at 1:52 AM, Sheri R < anne...@gmail.com> wrote:
Stay, look, inquire until you see yourself in, and as, the other.Here is peace, love, acceptance, compassion.To bow out, or to stop at blame or shame or fear, is to perpetuate a sense of separateness.Peace and metta to you all! s
On Friday, 30 July 2021 at 20:35:43 UTC-6 michael.luce9 wrote:
Very much appreciate your response here, Kevin.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 30, 2021, at 10:00 PM, Kevin Shuey < kas...@gmail.com> wrote:
DiehardsI have kept silent until now, admittedly, to see how things played out. I thought it only fair, however, that I check in at some point, since I’m the one who kicked the hornet’s nest. Sorry if this is a come-down after the lofty words that preceded it. First of all, I apologize if my blunt response to Debi’s posts was offensive to anyone. No doubt I could have taken a gentler approach. Debi’ is right, I came to this with a history. Debi and I have been at this same juncture before, when we had a small self-inquiry group here in Goldsboro. She started introducing some similar, and Q-Anon related material. I appreciate the wise, openhearted, non-judgemental, compassionate comments that have flowed. I wouldn’t have expected anything less from this group.The bottom line, for me, is 1) As has been said, this is not the place for those conversations. And 2) I cannot support, encourage, or condone the kind of dangerous misinformation that can, and has, cost lives. If taking such a position makes me less “spiritual” or is not in keeping with the mores of this group, then perhaps I should bow out.Much Love to All,Kevin
Subject: Re: Consider 3 Men
Thank you, Jim. You have written an excellent example of self-inquiry -- a good model for all of us. Some of us, I'm sure, are using your words to reflect privately without responding to the Diehards, and that's OK, too!
-----Original Message-----
From: JIM PETERSON <sonofs...@comcast.net>
To: diehar...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: Consider 3 Men
Dear Debi, Janet, and Diehards,So for me, every thread that comes up here is to be applied functionally to self-inquiry. So in that spirit, I would like to continue for just a little longer on this particular thread, because it is yielding insights within Awareness. To do this, I'd like to reply to Debi's last two emails that were partially or wholly addressed to me. And Debi, I thank you for following your own sense of the truth in what you have said. Seems like that's really all any of us can do.I want to start with "shame" because in one response you appeared to be shaking off any feelings of shame. And I'm glad to see that. At the same time, I'm concerned that what I said in my post was perceived by you as trying to produce shame. So my point of self-inquiry is to question whether I was unconsciously trying to shame you. And if so, what do I gain in doing that? This is, I suspect, a potent question for many people to go into. And so I hope this turns out to be a productive vein to follow. I grew up in a household in which shaming was a form of discipline—a way to control the behavior of the children, namely me. I would say there were three categories of shaming: mockery, ostracization, and the belt. To put these into different terms, they would make fun of me, isolate me in my room (the cold shoulder), or my father would whip me with his belt. When you combine these methods, the result is that shame becomes imprinted on the child. For this reason, I have been a carrier of shame for much of my adult life, without fully understanding where it was coming from. All I knew was that I was in severe pain emotionally over my concern that I had said or done something wrong or hurtful to someone else. (Don't worry, I'm bringing this back around to my previous Diehard posts in a moment.). In my twenties I stumbled on Krishnamurti, and I really took what he was saying to heart and mind. And his form of self-observation helped me to see through and mute to some degree the shame that seemed to be an organic part of my existence. It was in my bones, muscles, and organs—so total was its power over me. Serious depression cycled through my life like bad weather. And even self-observation couldn't dismiss it totally. But my continuing work with self-awareness and self-inquiry and meditation and so on began to throw open one of those inward doors after another. A long series of insights. Until today I would say that shame has mostly disappeared in me. It is a meek ghost in the machinery of I-thought known as Jim. I don't believe it will ever be totally eradicated in me, but I just don't suffer with it anymore. When it arises it's just seen for what it is without reaction.But that's not quite the end of it. Shame takes at least two forms in the adult shame-carrier. She or he is both a sufferer of shame and a dispenser of shame. Though I no longer suffer with shame, I wonder if I am an unconscious dispenser of shame. And so I have arrived back at my original question. As I look back at my post and my "experiment," I can see an easy path to defending myself. But my inquiry has nothing to do with self defense. It seems that a deeper seeing is possible here. My experiment resembles a form of mockery, though it was completely unconscious in me at the time. I attempt to hide my motives by pretending to be calling attention to my own righteous opinions and name-calling and all of that, to show how divisive it can be. But of course this was a disguised way of pointing out your behavior, even though I didn't directly mock you. Is this being seen clearly? Shame as a painful form of depression has faded out of my life, but does it still arise in subtle forms of shaming others? The shamed will inevitably become a shamer of others. And Debi, did you sense that, and is that why you felt you needed to talk about resisting shame? I feel that something is being unearthed here, and Awareness is just seeing it more and more clearly. Maybe I'm wrong.So I am very sensitive to name-calling. I wasn't thinking about your use of the word "psychopath" when I spoke of name-calling. But I think it's a good example. So I want to be very alert as I'm writing this. I'm not accusing you or myself of anything. I'm asking both of us to see what is happening as best we can. When I personally use the word "psychopath," if I'm alert to what I'm doing, I have no doubt that it's an insult designed to shame the other person, or to suggest that the other person "should" feel shame. Isn't it interesting that the ultimate way of shaming someone is to tell them that they have no shame? In other words, what do "I" gain by calling someone a psychopath? I have to become aware of that right in the moment. Is that a way of confirming my own "I," defending it against its own sense of shame? Honestly, I'm just looking. It may be that the answer is different for each of us. In my case, I have given up name-calling because I have seen so clearly how self was feeding on it. The ego, the self, is so subtle in its machinations. Just as an example, is this I-thought known as Jim feeding pridefully on what I'm saying here right now? Is it thinking, "How thoughtful and insightful I am"? There is just this seeing of it. More and more now I live from this place of just seeing what is happening without judging it, without feeling any shame over it. At a certain point, shame was replaced with fascination. Seeing the machinery of the conditioned self is so interesting to me. Seeing it without judgment is liberation to me. All of my beliefs and thoughts are constantly within the purview of effortless Awareness. Whew! So much burden has been lifted.So Debi, I want you to know that I did not consciously or deliberately try to shame you with my comments. But it's possible that it was happening unconsciously because this body/mind is still under the influence of subtle layers of shame conditioning. The process of seeing more and more of it is unfolding in me, as I think it is in you. And that's what we're here for, isn't it? I want to add one more thing: I don't want to leave the impression that I grew up in some sort of terrible home. We were solidly middle class and I had everything I needed. I was loved and well taken care of. But the discipline regimen I describe was commonplace in the 50's. The adage "Spare the rod, spoil the child" was on the lips of parents everywhere. My father's father was very strict and severe with him, and he passed some of that on to me, including the shaming. Part of my self-inquiry is to see my parents objectively and therefore compassionately. They were basically good people doing what they thought was right. I'm grateful for so many opportunities they made possible for me. Neither they nor I had any significant understanding of the negative consequences of certain kinds of conditioning in the body and mind of a child. I sometimes regret that I didn't have children. They might have been great comfort to me in my old age. But I fear that I might have passed on unconscious techniques of shaming to my children. And I wouldn't wish that on anyone.Debi and Diehards, forgive this terribly long post. I suspect it touches on some of what I may have said in my earlier posts from a year or so ago. If I have any goal, it's just to keep seeing with as much clarity as possible. I truly don't know any other way to go. And that old phantom "I" isn't going anywhere.With continuing love and gratitude,Jim
On 07/30/2021 10:07 AM 'Debi Lee' via Diehard Group <diehar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:Thanks Janet, for pointing that out. Absolutely, label the behavior, not the person. I’m usually in that mindset until my internal trigger reaches a certain degree of emotional charge.
And, I agree we all have limited seeing, but I do think that the rough edges can reach a point that could be considered abusive, in which case, we can have compassion for the person from afar, especially if the person isn’t willing to work on changing the behavior.
debi🕉The most fundamental harm we can do to ourselves is to remain ignorant by not having the courage and the respect to look at ourselves honestly and gently. 💟
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 30, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Janet Asiain <janet...@gmail.com> wrote:
Diehards, DebiReally briefly, two points:It might be more illuminating to label people's behavior as psychopathic or kind or whatever, rather than labeling the person? Without judgement, of course! (As if ---)And I appreciate your mention of "rough edges and limited seeing" -- those words describe us all, I think, to one degree or another.Janet
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 7:44 AM 'Debi Lee' via Diehard Group < diehar...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Jim, Diehards,I’m really not trying to be a wise ass here but you mentioned something about name-calling in your last post, I assume you’re referring to the word, psychopath that I used. If I call someone a kind person, is that not another name or label? There is such a thing as a psychopath in this relative world. We have to, and I think always just will make distinctions in this world. If I were to call someone an asshole that’s subjective, that’s name calling to me, but can we say that a psychopath has certain qualities? A kind person has certain qualities? I also understand that what one person may consider kind can be vastly different than what another might consider kind, so perhaps from a certain perspective it’s all subjective. Awareness doesn’t judge anything as good, bad, or ugly, judging is just happening, and it seems to be ok in/under certain circumstances and not in others. Can or is this ok just as it is?I could call someone a psychopath and feel full of compassion for that person, and/or I can also feel disdain for the same person I label as a psychopath, so does that change anything? I’m just typing what’s coming up here, doesn’t seem to flow nicely, but I’m going to leave it just as it is, perhaps someone(s) will comment and help me see something from a different perspective or make better sense of what is trying to be communicated. I think this post is keeping in line with the purpose of the group, if it’s not, I hope someone will make it crystal clear and let me know, that goes for anything I may post in the future. I value honesty, even more so, when it stings me, I get more out of it than some positive acknowledgement or praise.Thank you all for your patience, acceptance and your willingness to deal with my rough edges and my limited seeing.
debi🕉The most fundamental harm we can do to ourselves is to remain ignorant by not having the courage and the respect to look at ourselves honestly and gently. 💟
Sent from my iPhone
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAPa3K%2B7%3Dt5NWEJ2kAPCpbH-TBnWJ90K-f6aRt4U6sSBdmNiuWw%40mail.gmail.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/F49F7E34-033D-4298-9C4E-0B7E4DF58417%40gmail.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAGgGDoDfm%3D5u8DB2_cG4bM8yvBPnhg93V%3DYq0mX2yiknqzcdwQ%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/BEF0CEE7-A35D-4395-888D-7964EB0AEE83%40icloud.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/3C97430A-DEF6-4E27-953E-A19F768B4942%40paulrezendes.com.
The sun once glimpsed God’s true nature
And has never been the same.
Thus that radiant sphere
Constantly pours its energy
Upon this earth
As does He from behind
The veil.
With a wonderful God like that
Why isn’t everyone a screaming drunk?
Hafiz’s guess is this:
Any thought that you are better or less
Than another man
Quickly
Breaks the wine
Glass.
– Hafiz, from The Gift translated by Daniel Ladinsky.
Diehards
On Aug 2, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Rob LO <bein...@gmail.com> wrote:
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/CAPa3K%2B4oxA4At0YUCQ_6mPBCZiC2dRdzZRkY1fJVM0XzZUfmhA%40mail.gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/3FFC7DCB-440B-4191-AC77-5A9C08701943%40gmail.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/3FFC7DCB-440B-4191-AC77-5A9C08701943%40gmail.com.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Diehard Group" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to diehard-grou...@googlegroups.com.
To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/diehard-group/1391881298.877535.1628117448114%40connect.xfinity.com.