Transformation

[Doug Keith]

The other night on a zoom meeting we were discussing “separation “. I chimed in that for me it was just ALLGOD and I would never understand what that means. 

Tangibly it has meant being changed from a person full of fear and heavily sedated (whenever possible) to a new unimaginable freedom. 

When I try to describe it I mumble and stumble but Watts explains it beautifully in this talk. https://youtu.be/ioZ8Mtib-Bw

Best regards 

DJK

[Sunny Shankar Kumar]

Nice post, Doug!

Sunny

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[Paul Rezendes]

Hi Doug,

I'm glad to see you come in here. Thanks for sending the Alan Watts video. I've always appreciated him. BTW: I thought you did a really good job of expressing yourself Thursday night. I think there were others who felt the same way.

🕊️

Paul

[Doug Keith]

You are so kind. 

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[Doug Keith]

Thank you for your kind words. 

Sent from my iPhone

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[Jason]

Doug,

Been a while since I’ve been on a zoom call due to vacations and other events in my life but I saw this and wanted to offer something for your consideration (that I’m sure you know deep down even if you don’t realize it fully yet)… 

You said “ When I try to describe it I mumble and stumble but Watts explains it beautifully…”

Doug, your mumbling and stumbling is just as beautiful as Watts. 

Why? 

Because both are pointers to THIS!!! 

God wanted those exact words you said the other night delivered in that exact way in the moment!! So let yourself off the hook and stop believing that mental, ego loop. You are the same perfect expression as Watts. In fact I prefer your “mumbling and stumbling” over Watt’s perfectly carved word statues because it reminds me of my own difficulties expressing words. The ego is trying to trap you into believing “I mumble and stumble”. Don’t fall for it. Instead try to really believe the thought “I perfectly embody God’s Will in every moment” and you might find the mumbling and stumbling disappears OR, as Paul and others said to ya which I agree with, it wasn’t really there all along. 😜

Allow me a quick story here…

It took me a long time to begin to talk on the Zoom chats when I first started coming because I too stumbled with words when talking. In my mind I was comparing my form and its abilities, to my father-in-law, Bob Harwood, who we all know is a wizard with word pointers towards THIS. 🙄 I aways felt insufficient!  I questioned myself as to if my words could be clear pointers for folks or if I would just be muddying the waters. I finally saw through the mental loop one night when Bob wasn’t at the meeting and I stepped up and tried to make a pointer for someone. I spoke with my usual dumb-dumb words and nervous talking-in-front-of-people-even-though-I-sing-in-front-of-thousands-every-weekend voice, and something amazing happened Doug. People heard through all of the stumbling and bumbling I did.  It was a damn miracle!! I let go of the wheel and let it flow out and magically they came out as clear pointers in that moment. My wife who was on the call afterwards even said “you were really in the zone tonight eh?” 

Now were they Bob level words? Hell no. My form doesn’t express words like his does. But the pointers in them spoke to everyone on a deeper than the mind level, so what I was saying was heard through all my word inaccuracies. 

In that moment I more fully realized that what we are speaks through EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING! Even us stumbling and mumbling folks. It speaks through all my grammatical errors and my run on sentences and my um’s and my brain s-s-s-s-stops because it can’t find “S” words due to a bad case of long COVID. It speaks through everything!  IT speaks through everything!!!!!!! EVERYTHING DOUG!!! 

That’s why I’m always saying that even a rock can teach you and point towards what you are and what you seek. 😜

So I guess I tell that story to say this, trust the universe, God, THIS, whatever label you want to give it, Doug. You are the perfect expression of IT right Now. Even if your expression is considered mumbling and stumbling by the mind. There is no improvement needed. No changes needed. You are already at the finish line. Let yourself off the mind hook, lay back and just let God puppet your body as he sees fit in the moment and fully accept that even if you stumble and mumble, you’re doing it exactly the way he wants it done! 

Because you are him Doug. And he is you. We all are. 

With love sir,

Jason

Cheers!

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[Rob LO]

Well said Jason, 

Thank You Doug 

Watts was a real life saver for me 2010 and earlier I have paperbacks, and audiobooks 

One in particular an Autobiography Entitled "In My Own Way!" sat on my bookshelf for years since the late 1970s. 

Not long ago I noticed it picked it up and the title just penetrated my thinking scanner and landed as 'I AM, in my OWN way" and "I am in my own way!" 

"I" is in the way, in the way, an obstacle to being fully human ... a being ...

 

I am posting this now, I mentioned this insight somewhere before here on Diehards... I am ending here to go and find it .... 

But thank you both Doug and Jason 

🙏💙🙏

R³, Rambling*, Running**, Rob

* My written contributions get carried away by a stream of consciousness that constantly sees, finds, searches for more associations, puns and weird words plays ..

 Sorry all

** My sentences too Jason are always running into each other and I to envy other folks like Doug does, like his name sake "Doug" Hofstadter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Hofstadter 

who wrote Godel Escher Bach 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach

aka The Eternal Golden Braid*** about 

Bach's Music

Escher's Art

Gödel's Mathematics

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And how it is all a series of nested strange loops (feedback) not quite a "Hall of mirrors" but you get the drift.

Hofstadter does something miraculous in the book he writes about a conversation to illustrate how a fugue works and how "self-referential" language and languaging becomes both circular and self reinforcing and transformational and to me transcendental. 

But that's my bias my own for of biting my own tail "t-RAN-scen-DENTAL .... PUN-is-H-meat! ... 

EGB or GEB

By exploring common themes in the lives and works of logician Kurt Gödel, artist M. C. Escher, and composer Johann Sebastian Bach, the book expounds concepts fundamental to mathematics, symmetry, and intelligence. Through short stories, illustrations, and analysis, the book discusses how systems can acquire meaningful context despite being made of "meaningless" elements. It also discusses self-reference and formal rules, isomorphism, what it means to communicate, how knowledge can be represented and stored, the methods and limitations of symbolic representation, and even the fundamental notion of "meaning" itself.

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