So far, so good

[Roger King]

Tigers loaded the bases in the 1st but couldn't score.  But they didn't miss again in the 4th. Javy with a RBI single and Jones knocks in 2 with a double.

3-0 Tigers and they're still batting in the 4th with the bases loaded again.

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[Paul Meloche]

The Sox pen held them scoreless for the rest of the inning but now Mize has given up a double and a single in the bottom half and it’s 3-1.

Well, that was fast - Mize then gets the next two including a double play so he’s out of the inning. 3-1 Tigers in the 5th. 

Rangers lead the Guardians 4-2 in the 4th…

Paul M.

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[Peter Welch]

Jahmai Jones, a mostly career minor leaguer and failed Yankees' prospect, and Javy Baez, who has a .500 OPS since the AS Break, are our best clutch hitters.  I'm not joking.

I'm more confident with them batting with runners on than Greene, Carpenter and Tork.

Tigers lead 3-1 in the top of the 5th.  Mize with 45 pitches through 4 innings.  

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[Peter Welch]

Kyle Harrison, who was the highly-ranked pitching prospect the Red Sox acquired in the Devers trade with the Giants, started tonight but only lasted 3 innings and allowed 10 baserunners.  He "only" gave up 3 runs thanks mostly to the Tigers inability to come up with clutch hits as usual.

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[Roger King]

Harrison was helped by a great defensive play in the 1st inning by the LF Duran who caught an Ibanez bases loaded liner at the wall to end the inning. Could’ve easily bounced off the Green Monster and scored everyone.

Mize is overall pretty sharp tonight. 7 K’s through 5 innings. 

Still 3-1 Tigers. 

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[Paul Meloche]

Now through six and it’s still 3-1. Mize has only thrown 70 pitches. Hopefully he’s good to stay in and rest the pen a bit after last night. 

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[Roger King]

Of course predictably, Hinch takes out Jones for no reason at all just because there’s a right hander on mound to start the 6th inning. Carpenter pinch hits.

Why wouldn’t you save Carp for a more meaningful time in the game and of course Jones has already walked and had the 2-run double. Homered yesterday.. OPS is over 900. Wouldn’t under any circumstances want to let him keep batting. 

AJ just drives me nuts.

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[Roger King]

Finnegan could not hold the lead and the Tigers had to face Chapman in the 9th. Malloy had a great pinch it double to lead it off, but the rest of the hitters fled against Chapman. 3-3.

And now it’s up to Tommy Kahnle to hold off the Red Sox in the bottom of the 9th. I am not what you would call optimistic.

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*The rest of the hitters flailed

[Peter Welch]

I trust Jones more than Carpenter to come up with a hit or a walk.

Very disappointed in Carpenter.

They should shop him around in the off-season.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

Chapman can miss bats, unlike Kahnle.

Big difference.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

Carpenter 3.9% walk rate (MLB avg. is 8.3%)….woof!

Peter

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 I trust Jones more than Carpenter to come up with a hit or a walk.

[Peter Welch]

Malloy and Jones are better hitters than Greene and Carpenter right now.  I would put them in the lineup and leave them in for the last 2 games.  They both have a better chance of clearing the Monster since they are righties.  Heck, I’d trust Max Clark to draw a walk over Greene or Carp right now.

Greene or Carp can pinch hit for Tork or Ibanez against a righty.  Just so tired of Greene and Carpenter failing to come up with a key hit with runners on and swinging at everything.

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[Roger King]

I wonder how much better Carpenter’s walk rate would be if Hinch would play him every day.  I feel like he presses for home runs or the big hit to prove he’s an everyday player or because, like last night, he only gets 1 PH AB before being lifted.  

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[Glenn Codere]

I can't help but feel that Carp's situation is similar to JD Martinez when he was with the Astros. If he goes elsewhere, he'll likely play every day and put up 35-40 HRs with an .850+ OPS for the next 5 years. He's been grossly misused by Hinch.

I've laid off my criticism of Hinch since the start of the great run last season, but I'm rapidly coming back to the thought that maybe I wasn't so wrong after all.

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[Roger King]

Well, since you brought it up and there aren’t that many games left in the season likely… Time to critique Hinch and last night‘s game, which was important and obviously a close one

-Jones walks and hits a key RBI double… and has a .936 OPS… but Hinch removes him anyway, in the top of the 6th inning to pinch hit Carpenter, just because there’s a righty reliever on the mound

-Carpenter only gets that one at bat and then is lifted himself in the 9th for Malloy.  Now Malloy smacked a double off Chapman but the point here is Carp is completely wasted in that one meaningless at bat instead of being saved for a more important spot in the game potentially…and now both Jones & Carp are out of the game

- Why is Jones still hitting lead off? He has power. Put him in the middle of the lineup

-Wenceel Perez hitting 3rd in the line-up despite clearly being in an awful slump. Hitting .114, 5-44 in his last 12 games.  Predictably, he was unable to get a key hit with runners in scoring position at least twice in the game. He went 0-4 with 3 K’s.  

-Bringing in Tommy Kahnle in a tie game in the bottom of the 9th. In my view, that’s the spot for your closer Vest. It would be the third day in a row that Vest has pitched, but so what? A playoff spot is on the line. Keep the game tied and send it to extra innings where the ghost runner rule comes into effect.

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[Jeffrey Withey]

Kahnle is just unpredictable. Some days he is great and others awful. Not what you want with the season on the line. Unfortunately, we have zero relievers who are really reliable. Vest is usually good but has had some bad outings lately. I don’t know the best answer. 

However, Hinch’s lineups lately have been ridiculously bad. He seems to be reflexive about righty lefty matchups with no regard for data. 

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[Peter Welch]

Kahnle can throw mid-90s fastballs. I think he needs to throw more fastballs to make his change-up more effective.  He often gets away with throwing almost 100% change-ups, but I think over time this isn't effective for him.  The Sox were just sitting on the change-up.

Chapman was throwing 101/102-mph in the 9^th last night and hitting his spots.  Pretty impressive for Malloy to hit a double on a 101-mph fastball.

Torres at least made contact and grounded out to advance the pinch runner McKinstry to 3rd base.  Torres grounded out on an 87-mph slider after falling behind 0-2 in the count on a couple of 99+ mph fastballs and fouling off a 100-mph fastball that was way up and away.  That actually wasn't a bad at-bat for Torres.

Perez got up 2-0 in the count against Chapman with McKinstry at 3^rd and 1 out, but Perez couldn't catch up to a couple of 101-102 mph fastballs up in the zone.  He struck out swinging on an 88-mph slider.  The Tigers might as well have tried for a squeeze play with Perez or had McKinstry try to steal home.  LOL! 

Tork had little chance against Chapman.  He took a 100-mph fastball for a strike, fouled off a couple of heaters, and fell behind 0-2.  He took a 102-mph fastball that was up and away for a ball, and eventually struck out on a slider.  

Chapman going between 100+mph fastballs and 87/88-mph sliders was deadly.

The Tigers need a Chapman in their bullpen.

The Tigers actually have had a chance to acquire Chapman a few times in recent years but stay away from him.  I know he has a domestic violence record, which always makes me wary of signing him.  He's a heck of a closer when he's on (sometimes he can get a bit wild).  

(Gregory Soto was sort of Chapman-lite, but Soto never could get enough command of his stuff).

  

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[Peter Welch]

Malloy should have been playing everyday DH for the past 3 months, or even the whole season.  Let's see what he can do over a full season in the majors. He's a DH, that's what he is (he can play an adequate 1B as well, but the Tigers were never going to replace Tork with Malloy at 1B).  But Hinch doesn't like everyday DHes.

Hinch's questionable "I need you to be able to play every position" and knee-jerk platooning philosophy has pretty much relegated Malloy to AAA or as a pinch-hitter/spot platoon starter when he's been with Detroit.  

Malloy's career would be better off in another organization.  He could probably hit 30+ homers if he played with the A's or Diamondbacks.

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[Peter Welch]

Perez should be in AAA trying to re-find his swing.

I liked what Perez was doing earlier in the season.  He had some great at-bats earlier this season, but he's completely lost the plot and is fancying himself as a free swinger.

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[Michael Borshuk]

I was really impressed with the Malloy at bat and still hopeful we'd score after his double. 

I agree JHM should have been in the majors, especially during this offensive slide. I am so done with Hinch's move-everybody-around position managing. There is no reason for someone as awful as Trey Sweeney to have played so much when we were in freefall in September. 

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[Paul Meloche]

Who would Malloy have replaced had he been on the roster all/most of the season? Don't say Jones because as has been mentioned he's had a really good year.

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[Michael Borshuk]

I'm saying I don't think we should have recalled Sweeney in the second half. Baez and McKinstry play SS and Sweeney isn't dome defensive wiz whose glove justifies the sinkhole he constitutes in the lineup. Malloy could have had some playing time but Hinch doesn't seem to feel he's earning his paycheck unless he makes a half dozen position shifts and/or platoon decisions per game. 

[Jeffrey Withey]

I agree 100%.  Defense is not generally a problem with this team and honestly Sweeney isn’t outstanding defensively anyway. Offense has always been a concern and it has not been addressed even from guys producing in AAA. 

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[Roger King]

Let’s face it, Hinch got lucky last year that most of his pitching chaos and musical chairs routine worked out. It furthered the narrative that he is some kind of strategic genius which the Detroit media - and actually the national media as well - buys into.  Many of us thought the Tigers won *in spite* of some of his moves, not because of them.  Though he did get everyone on the team to buy into the team philosophy and not caring about themselves/their own playing time so I’ll give him credit for that.

But even the name pitching chaos makes it sound like some genius strategy/philosophy. But really, it was done out of necessity because they didn’t really have reliable and/or fully healthy starters after Skubal. I mean, who would choose a parade of random relievers almost every game, if you had two or three more good starters? :-)

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[Peter Welch]

Yep, almost every button Hinch pushed worked in the 2^nd half last year.  It was remarkable how lucky he and the Tigers were.

The buttons stopped working in the Cleveland playoff series.  Hinch benching Jason Foley for the Cleveland series was the beginning of it (and arguably benching Mize as well).

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