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Roger King

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Sep 25, 2025, 9:09:09 PM (4 days ago) Sep 25
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The Detroit Tigers actually won a baseball game. 

4-2 final.  Back in first place - lol 


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Jason Rice

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Sep 25, 2025, 9:16:31 PM (4 days ago) Sep 25
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What was the season series vs Cleveland?

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Roger King

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Sep 25, 2025, 9:26:27 PM (4 days ago) Sep 25
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Cleveland has the tiebreaker.  

I caught the 9th inning and Vest struck out the side.  I imagine Vest feels as bad as anyone on the Tigers as he blew two games last week. Just winning those two games would have the Tigers in a much better position.




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Paul Meloche

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Sep 25, 2025, 11:02:16 PM (3 days ago) Sep 25
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I saw the score was 4-1 in the 4th and 100% thought when I checked again later it would be 4-3....then later still 6-4 Cleveland, etc.

Is my math right here?

Clinch a playoff spot - Magic number over both Houston is 2 and over Boston is 4 due to us holding the tiebreak
Win Division - Magic number over Cleveland is 4

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Roger King

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Sep 25, 2025, 11:29:27 PM (3 days ago) Sep 25
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How is the tiebreaker with Boston decided? They’ve only played each other 3 times.  The Tigers swept the series but obviously if Boston sweeps them this weekend, the season series is tied.

The Tigers do hold the tiebreaker over Houston so that magic number of 2 is correct.  

For what it’s worth, Boston ace Garrett Crochet pitched last night so presumably the Tigers won’t see him at all this weekend. 

Cleveland’s weekend series is against Texas at home. Houston is on the road to play the Angels. 

Weirdly, all 3 AL division leaders lost their leads in the last week.  Jays & Yankees are now tied atop the East  and obviously, so are the Tigers and Guardians. Seattle took over top spot from Houston in the West and just clinched the division last night.

Peter Welch

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Sep 26, 2025, 12:06:09 AM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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Crochet might win AL Cy Young over Skubal.  (I think Skubal deserves it, but don't be surprised if Crochet gets it).
Crochet is 18-5 and Skubal is 13-6.  Pitcher wins shouldn't mean much but to some of the Cy Young voters might think Crochet having more wins means something in his favor.  

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Peter Welch

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Sep 26, 2025, 12:14:20 AM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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Melton started and allowed 1 run in 3 IP.  He was basically being used as a 3-inning "opener" in a bullpen game because I don't think Hinch had any intention of letting him pitch more than 3 innings.  Melton should have been a starter for us down the stretch.  I think it would have better for us to have Melton starting than Morton or Paddack.

I think it hurt the team that Melton was put on an innings limitation and sent to the bullpen, but maybe it was good for Melton's arm health.  Then again, maybe not.  Most pitchers seem to blow out their arms eventually regardless of efforts to limit their innings.  I fully expect Melton will need Tommy John Surgery eventually.
Just when Jobe comes back and Skubal leaves as a free agent, Melton will probably be needing TJS.

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David Panian

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Sep 26, 2025, 12:23:31 AM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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The next tiebreaker after head-to-head record is intradivisional record. Boston has the better intradivision record at 32-20. The Tigers are 30-22. So if the Tigers win one game this weekend, they'll avoid that tiebreaker by winning the season series with Boston.

Detroit, Boston and Houston could even end up in a three-way tie if Detroit wins two more and Houston sweeps its series. Head-to-head is still the first tiebreaker, and the Tigers in that scenario would beat out both. Boston won the season series with Houston 4-2. If that happens and the Tigers don't win the Central, I think they would be the second wild card and would play the Yankees with Boston playing Cleveland. That also would put the Tigers on the side of the bracket where, if they advanced, would play Toronto in the ALDS instead of Seattle.

This is all so annoying. We shouldn't even be talking about these scenarios. The Tigers should just have locked up the No. 1 seed a while ago, but nooooooooo…

David

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Peter Welch

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Sep 26, 2025, 12:51:48 AM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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The Angels are awful.  As badly as the Astros are playing, they should win that series.

Texas went all in to try to make a playoff run, but they won't make it.  I'm a bit worried they will phone it in against Cleveland this weekend and play a bunch of scrubs.
It's a bummer DeGrom won't be starting for the Rangers in one of the games since he made his final start of the season on Wednesday.
Jack Leiter is scheduled to start for the Rangers on Friday and then it's "TBD" on Saturday and Sunday.

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Roger King

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Sep 26, 2025, 6:34:56 AM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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Yes, annoying indeed. And it’s hard to imagine the game on Sunday won’t matter, which means Skubal will pitch. So he won’t be available for the wildcard series which is Tues & Wed (and Thursday if necessary). 

I guess the only scenario where Sunday’s game wouldn’t matter would be if the Tigers win the first two games in Boston and Cleveland loses the first two to Texas.  Odds are extremely low of that all happening, needless to say.


Peter Welch

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Sep 26, 2025, 11:23:51 AM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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The Rangers have announced Jack Leiter, Merrill Kelly and Patrick Corbin as their starters in the Cleveland series.

Cleveland is going with Slade Cecconi and then TBD the next 2 games.

Leiter has been getting better after a rough start in the majors.  I remember the Tigers beat up on him in his big league debut last year.

Kelly was acquired by the Rangers from Arizona at the trade deadline for 3 prospects in their attempt to make a playoff run.  
Kelly has a 4.23 ERA in 10 starts with the Rangers.  His last 2 starts have been bad.  He was pitching pretty well for the Rangers in his 8 starts before that.

Kelly was the type of veteran starter I hoped the Tigers could pick up at the deadline, but I don't know what the Rangers were asking for in return.  If they were asking for McGonigle, Clark, Briceno or Rainer, then I would have said "no". 
Kelly is 36 and a free agent after this season, so he would have been a rental.   Probably not worth giving up a top prospect for.  Maybe a couple of mid-level prospects.

Heck, I would have taken Corbin from the Rangers at the deadline for a mid-level prospect.  Corbin isn't great, but better than Morton/Paddack.

Peter

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David Panian

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Sep 26, 2025, 11:49:20 AM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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I would have liked the Tigers to have acquired Kelly, too. They probably weren't a good match for a trade with Arizona, though. Texas traded three decent starting pitching prospects for Kelly. As we know, the Tigers don't have a lot of good minor league pitching depth right now. They probably would've had to have traded Jaden Hamm, Ty Madden and maybe Troy Melton to get Kelly, which would've been nuts.

The Tigers' organizational depth is at second base — Hao-Yu Lee and Max Anderson and McGonigle if they move him from shortstop — but the D'backs don't really need infielders. They have Ketel Marte at second for the next few years. They also have Geraldo Perdomo at short, who's only 25, and top shortstop prospect Jordan Lawler, who's been playing third base because of Perdomo establishing himself at short. Arizona probably wasn't interested in Briceno or Liranzo since they have some good young catchers already and they acquired a good first base prospect in Tyler Locklear in one of their trades with Seattle.

I wouldn't mind the Tigers trying to sign Kelly to a one-year deal in the offseason, but my guess is he'll go back to Arizona if they want him back. He's from the Phoenix area, and he's pitched well for los Serpientes.

David




Michael W

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Sep 26, 2025, 3:04:44 PM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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>  [Melton] was basically being used as a 3-inning "opener" in a bullpen game 
> because I don't think Hinch had any intention of letting him pitch more than 3 innings.

Melton did face, and retire, two batters in the fourth.

Michael

Peter Welch

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Sep 26, 2025, 4:53:50 PM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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The Arizona player I would have offered somebody like Max Clark and maybe Rainer for would have been Corbin Carroll.
Or maybe some package deal for Carroll and Jordan Lawlar.

Peter


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Peter Welch

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Sep 26, 2025, 5:08:20 PM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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A 3-2/3 inning “opener”.  Basically it was a long relief assignment that started in the 1st inning.  He did a solid job.

I think Melton is probably our 2nd best starter.  We’ll see next year if that’s the case. I just hope he doesn’t need TJS eventually.  He’s already 25 so I’d hate to lose a year-and-a-half from him.  It’s like Casey Mize, who is already approaching his late 20s because a chunk of his mid-20s was spent recovering from surgeries.   Flaherty was the same.  Most pitchers get hurt eventually.  At least Jobe is still pretty young and will be 24-25 when he comes back. The clock is ticking for Olson as well.  He hasn’t had TJS yet but he seems to get his fair share of other injuries.

Peter


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>  [Melton] was basically being used as a 3-inning "opener" in a bullpen game 

Peter Welch

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Sep 26, 2025, 5:12:33 PM (3 days ago) Sep 26
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I actually would trade Riley Greene for Carroll straight up.

Peter

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 The Arizona player I would have offered somebody like Max Clark and maybe Rainer for would have been Corbin Carroll.

Peter Welch

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Sep 27, 2025, 9:08:08 AM (2 days ago) Sep 27
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Leiter pitched an excellent game last night for the Rangers vs. Cleveland.   Only 2 runs allowed on 4 hits and 1 walk with 10 Ks in 7 IP.

Merrill Kelly was scheduled to start for the Rangers tonight but now it's listed as "TBD".  
Lefty Joey Cantillo is starting for the Guardians.

Peter


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Peter Welch

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Sep 27, 2025, 9:04:53 PM (2 days ago) Sep 27
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Rangers-Guardians tied at 2-2 in the bottom of the 7th at Cleveland.

The Rangers started lefty swingman Jacob Latz, who allowed 2 runs in 5.1 IP. 

Peter

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Peter Welch

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Sep 27, 2025, 10:03:26 PM (2 days ago) Sep 27
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Guardians walk it off on a hit-by-pitch with the bases-loaded and 2 outs in the 9th.

Dylan Moore of the Rangers was out at the plate on a delayed steal attempt of home to end the top of the 9th.

Ugh!

Peter

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Peter Welch

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Sep 27, 2025, 10:06:04 PM (2 days ago) Sep 27
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The Rangers tried to steal 2nd with 2 outs in the top of the 9th but the runner trying for 2nd got into a rundown and then Moore broke for home and was thrown out.

Peter

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