Fire Harris and sell at the deadline!

[Shawn Parker]

We might as well get what we can for Skubal. We are cooked for this season. I don't like to be a Debbie Downer but this ain't happening this year.

[Roger King]

Obviously, they will be sellers at this point. This home stand was the last chance to get back into it but going 5-5 isn’t going to cut it. 

I’m definitely going to keep my expectations low on what they can get in a Skubal trade. The deadline is a touch later this year in early August so we’re talking a little less than a two month rental. And of course, there is still the uncertainty of whether Skubal will truly return to Cy Young form or just be “pretty good”. That will obviously determine what the Tigers get for him.

But they will have other obvious trade chips like Torres & Jansen. And Mize could be moved too, in addition to Skubal.  And hey, if Flaherty has a couple more starts like today, they might get something for him too. 

I would look to unload some of the bench as well like McKinstry, whose skill set might help a contending team for a couple of months. But obviously they won’t get a lot for guys like him.

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We might as well get what we can for Skubal. We are cooked for this season. I don't like to be a Debbie Downer but this ain't happening this year.

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[Peter Welch]

Yep,  it ain't happening.  I've pretty much lost what little optimism I had left.

Tigers have lost 15 games this year when they led in the 7^th inning.  They are 11-30 in games decided by 1 or 2 runs.  

Bad bullpen, bad hitting, bad fielding, bad managing and bad front office.  Time to roll some heads and burn some s--t down.  

The Skubal era is ending with a whimper.  Pathetic waste of talent.

Peter

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We might as well get what we can for Skubal. We are cooked for this season. I don't like to be a Debbie Downer but this ain't happening this year.

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[Michael W]

I agree we won’t see the same kind of haul for Skubal that was mentioned in the offseason.  We’ll have to see the final result, but at this point it looks like Harris flunked his most important test: navigating Skubal’s free agency.  When you look back on some of the (reputed) off-season offers, it may be a spectacular failing.   We’ll see.

Michael 

[Michael W]

Would you trade Greene?  He’s the most valuable commodity on the team besides McGonigle. Of course, it always depends on what you can get in return.  But would you shop him?

Michael

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[Peter Welch]

Yes.

Peter

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[Roger King]

No, I’d build back up around Greene-McGonigle-Dingler-Carpenter.  With the still young pitching staff (plus Valdez already signed), there is still a good core here.  

I feel like this can be more of a regroup for 2027 than a complete roster overhaul. 

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[Peter Welch]

Carpenter seems like he could be a trade chip at the deadline for a team looking for a lefty bat down the stretch.  I wouldn't be shocked to see him traded at the deadline.

Greene will be a free agent in 2029 so we have him for 2 more seasons.  Greene is a bit of a chameleon as a hitter.  He's still looking for a balance between the 2025 and 2024 Greene.  He's having a good season but he's only on pace to hit less than 20 homers after hitting 36 last year and 24 in 2024.   His decline in power is disappointing. He also seems to be getting slower and his fielding is getting worse.  I would listen to offers for Greene.

Tork should no longer be considered part of the core.  He should be shopped around, but his value won't be much.  I could see him as a thrown-in as part of a multi-player trade.  Tork is a big disappointment. I think he needs to move to another organization.   I could still see Tork becoming a better hitter with another team, but it won't be with Detroit.

I'd still consider Keith part of the core but time is running out for him.  He might be better off away from Hinch in another organization.

Obviously, Skubal and Mize are major trade candidates.  Flaherty is a possibility as well.  Jansen probably has no trade value at this point as he looks cooked, and Finnegan's value isn't much either.  Dark horse trade candidate is Holton.

Peter

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[Michael W]

I’m starting to think the window is closed for Greene.  He’s got two seasons (and this half) left before he’s a free agent.  He needed to win with Tork, Mize, Skubal and Carp.  That didn’t happen.  The next wave is McGonigle, Melton, Clark, and Rainer (Anderson, Briceño, Jobe) who will be hitting their prime when the current rookie leaguers arrive.  

I don’t think you can use last year’s strategy of have it both ways, keep everyone / trade nobody.  If you are all-in with the current core, you trade the rookie leaguers for some immediate help.  Or, you trade the arbitration-eligible (and older) guys for quality young players.

If you get caught “waiting one more year”, that’s when you get these Skubal-blunders.

i don’t think the current core plan will work, and it could set us back ten years.

Maybe it’s time to call it quits on the Avila strategy and start the next cycle.

 Michael 

[David Panian]

Carpenter is 28. He's not part of the Tigers' future. I would trade him. I just don't know that there's much of a market for an OF/DH type who's probably past his prime.

Greene probably could get a pretty good return, but I'd rather hang on to him and Keith. I wouldn't consider either untouchable, though. Since both have affordable contracts, even teams like Pittsburgh, Cincy and Miami might be interested, so there may be a possibility for a bidding war for them. I just don't think Harris is up to the task of getting a good return for anyone.

The Tigers should trade Tork, too, but his trade value is very low. Maybe he could be a throw-in with Skubal or Mize to help with the finances or to help the other team justify how many prospects they would be giving up. It seems like some team might think they can fix Tork.

I'm in favor of firing Hinch and Harris. I'd hire Joe Maddon as manager. If Maddon were willing to come on now and work with the rest of the coaches, I'd fire Hinch now. I just don't know if Maddon would do that. He'd probably rather start a season fresh with his own coaches.

David

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[Roger King]

Of course, we could all go back-and-forth about what we would do or what the Tigers “should” do…but what is Harris likely to do?  

I think there’s almost zero chance he “throws in the towel” on this current group. Obviously he wants to keep his job and trying to sell Ilitch on waiting at least another couple of years until this next batch of players hit their prime would be testing everyone’s patience. 

Basically, his pitch to ownership, and to fans, the last two years was…the talent is here, we don’t need to do more than tweak the roster as we’ve already got a contending core. And he also has the excuse of all the injuries this year which I think will be his main explanation for the poor team performance.  

I expect he’ll move the obvious pieces at the deadline: Torres, Flaherty, Jansen…maybe Mize. I’m not even sure about Skubal based on those comments last month where it was noted that Harris is hard to deal with. Will he actually find a deal to his liking and pull the trigger?

I think Harris is just going to go for a reset in 2027 and make the case that if healthy, this team can compete.  How much of that will be true belief vs ego vs wanting to save this job…there is no way to know.  

I’d love to know whether Hinch & Harris are at this point just a touch delusional about certain players. Like, do they think Tork is still going to have that truly great season? Do they think Keith is going to bust out and justify that big contract? Do they still think Vierling can be a key part of a winning team? I know it’s unlikely they would ever single any of these players out publicly, but I do wonder what they’re thinking now. I get the sense there’s a little bit of delusion which probably doesn’t bode well for the team in the short term.

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[Michael Borshuk]

I am with David: I would so welcome Maddon as our manager. Failing that, I would also be good with giving Lombard the opportunity. 

I am so sick of Hinch's contradictory mix of tinkering and stasis. And his self-important philosophisizing in interviews. 

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[Peter Welch]

Right, listen to offers for Greene.  Don't treat him as "untouchable". 

Hell, I'd even listen to offers for Dingler.  (I'm actually worried Dingler might wear down because he plays a lot).

We should have traded Skubal 2 years ago (or extended him 3 years ago), but the surprise 2^nd half run into the playoffs in 2024 and the hot start in 2025 changed everything.  This team pretended it was a contender after surprisingly making the playoffs in 2024 and squeaking into the playoffs in 2025, but Harris never really added the pieces to make them a legitimate contender.  We wasted Skubal's peak years.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

I used to like Hinch but he's jumped the shark.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

Torres probably won't be healthy enough at the deadline to receive anything decent in return.  Another team might trade for him while he's still on the IL, but the return will likely be some lottery ticket.

Peter

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[Peter Welch]

I think somebody looking for a lefty power hitter down the stretch could be interested in Carpenter.  

I could see him going to some other team and then next year he plays full-time against lefties and righties and does fine.  Hinch turning Carpenter into a platoon player is mismanagement on his part.  He's ruining Keith's development as a hitter as well.   Hinch will probably not let Max Clark hit against lefties next.

Tork needs to go somewhere else.  I could see him hitting 40+ homers for another team, but he won't be doing that with Detroit. 

Peter

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