On Nov 29, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Jon Awbrey <jaw...@att.net> wrote:Now logical terms are of three grand classes.
No fourth class of terms exists involving the conception of fourth, because
when that of third is introduced, since it involves the conception of bringing
objects into relation, all higher numbers are given at once, inasmuch as the
conception of bringing objects into relation is independent of the number of
members of the relationship.
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On 6 Feb 2022, at 6:02 pm, Louis Kauffman <lou...@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Shann,<SelfRefRecurForm.pdf>I cannot tell from your question if you have had prior contact with LoF. I’ll assume not. If you have, then what I say may be a repeat of what you have heard before.First of all, there is the book and it can be seen by using zlib.org but it is not for me to send you a copy.Then there is the review of the book by Heinz von Foerster. I include copy as a jpg HV.jpg below.Heinz wrote that review for the Whole Earth Catalog back around 1971.I also include a paper by Varela from that early period entitled “Not One Not Two”. See below.Francisco makes a simple notation for the situation* = [A Something / The Process Leading to that Something].Thus he points to the fact that Objects and Processes are linked together and that we start down a road to understanding and creation when we let go of the duality of Object/Process intoa unity of their relationship.I also include a paper of mine BooleanAlgebraTeachingNotes.pdf that is a very direct description of how LoF is related to logic and boolean algebra, recursion andnetworks and a copy of my papers “Self-reference and recursive forms.” and “The mathematics of C.S.Peirce.” Finally, I include the paper by Ranulph Glanville and Francisco Varela“Your Outside is In and Your Inside is Out.”. You may recall that Ranulph had a scarf in the form of a Mobius band with this Beatles’ inscription that he often wore.It is not my intention to inundate you with readings, and in fact the relationship of LoF with system science derives fully from the injunction“DRAW A DISTINCTION!”Systems (our descriptions of them and our actions in participating in them) all derive from the (apparent) drawing of distinctions.Understand that the distinctions drawn are your responsibility and also inextricably linked with the communal behaviors in that system.That is my answer to your question.Distinctions are objects. Distinctions are processes.Distinctions, taken as articulations of a whole, go beyond objects or processes.The observer in/of a system is such an object/process.So what about this book and its signs and symbols?Spencer-Brown gave a direct approach to working with distinction.His mark, rendered here by a bracket < >, is seen to make a distinction in the plane between its inside and its outside.In this way of working, what is not marked is as important as what is marked.I say “is seen” because the system under consideration there has an observer or is an observer.The sign alone does not by itself do anything, but it is interpreted as making a distinction via that observer.Sign and observer arise together in our experience.We begin to write down second order cybernetics when we consider a sign as a distinction that itself can be seen as making a distinction.LoF provides a place from which to begin.Distinction provides a place from which to begin.Distinction is not an abstract concept, separated from action.To make a distinction is to participate in an action.You may have been asking me how does this mathematical system relate to system modeling by networks and other apparatus.We can discuss that, but the point I need to make here is that LoF is about this:Distinctions and indeed the notion of a first distinction (I do not say “the” first distinction) arefundamental to any systems of knowledge or process that we can have or create.I am going to stop here and let you ask a question.Very best,Lou<GlanvilleVarela.pdf><MathematicsC.S.Peirce.pdf><BooleanAlgebraTeachingNotes.pdf><VarelaNotOneNotTwo.pdf><HVF.jpg>
Table 1. Tensegrity illustrated
Identifying dual behaviour of Humans/Biota/Holons/Holarchy and the Universe |
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Domain |
Tensegrity drives behaviour and evolution |
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Chinese ancient philosophy |
Yin ~ |
Yang |
Humans (biota) = Holon (May be part of a self-governing holarchy, or an authoritarian hierarchy that is dysfunctional because it denies tensegrity) |
Approach ~ |
Avoidance |
Cooperative ~ |
Competitive |
|
Trusting ~ |
Suspicious |
|
Selfless ~ |
Selfish |
|
Other behaviours ~ |
Other behaviours |
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Holons & Holarchies (Entities defined by possessing tensegrity and with time limits in at least biota) |
De-centralised ~ |
Centralised |
Autonomous ~ |
Integrated |
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Bottom-up ~ |
Top-down |
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Ordered ~ |
Chaotic |
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Other characteristics ~ |
Other characteristics ~ |
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Light |
Photons/matter ~ |
Energy wave |
Electrons |
Particle ~ |
Energy wave |
Quarks |
Up matter~ |
Down matter |
Gravity |
Matter ~ |
Energy |
Time |
Matter/Energy ~ |
Anti-matter/energy |
Universe ➡️⬅️ |
Arrows of time ~ |
Qubits |
Dark (matter/energy) Universe |
Qubits ~ |
Arrows or time |
Indigenous Australians with holonic governance |
Dreaming song-lines ~ |
Stories of languages |
Country ~ |
Totems |
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Skin name ~ |
Moiety |
<PastedGraphic-1.pdf>On 7 Feb 2022, at 6:42 am, Francis Jeffrey <francis...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi,I'm out of context relative to your covos with Lou & #LoF22 group, however since I was copied in, i'll just mention that you seem to be working on, broadly speaking, "morphogenesis" and the selection of diverging paths of subsequent specialization of physiology--somewhere in the unfoldment.This seems closely parallel with the blossoming progress in use of autologous stem-cells & precursors for therapeutics in repair/regeration/remodeling.I my own work, which has been mostly pragmatic, I found LoF enormously helpful in simplifying formalizations of complex/complicated empirical, natural & techno-fabricated, systems--so as to be able to guide their further development/revision/self-modification. E.g., as disclosed in this Patent:-- https://patents.google.com/patent/US6085233A/enAlso, many applications in Neurophysiology, etc., but no time to go into that now.All Best Wishes,~~fj
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