Fwd: Encouraging Respect of Speed Limit (25 mph) on Crystal Lake Drive

[Andy Gray]

Hi folks,
I wanted to share Dylan Horne's suggestion of streets/roads with one car lane and 2 bike/ped lanes. Could be a great solution for the south end of Crystal Lake Drive and other streets in town and the county.

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Subject:	Re: [south-corvallis] Encouraging Respect of Speed Limit (25 mph) on Crystal Lake Drive
Date:	Thu, 8 Jul 2021 09:41:47 -0700
From:	'Andy Gray' via South Corvallis <south-c...@googlegroups.com>
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Hi everyone,

From a road design perspective, I've always thought Crystal Lake would be a good fit for an advisory bike lane. 

Essentially, have a one lane street with two bike lanes that provide space for people walking or biking on the street. Motor vehicles must yield to one another, decreasing speed. Here's a video of it in action.

Compared to widening the road with stormwater upgrades, sidewalks and more pavement, advisory bike lanes would use the existing pavement and drainage with new pavement markings. Much cheaper and much quicker than a complete rebuild, while maintaining the local feel of the street.

Thanks,

Dylan 

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 10:57 PM 'Andy Gray' via South Corvallis <south-c...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

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There's plenty of people around who've been longer than I, but this is my recollection:

The city/county's long-range plan is to turn this into an arterial with full-width driving lanes, bike lanes, green strips plus side-walks.. the kind of wide-open asphalt expanse that really encourages speeding. Most people along the street will be very surprised to find out how much of "their" front yard isn't.

When they had a planning meeting about this ~15 years ago, most people were adamantly against it. Presumably the development would be triggered once traffic volume gets to a certain level.

Personally I'd like to see it turn into a bicycle boulevard with restricted vehicle access at the intersection with Park.

On 7/5/2021 10:56 AM, Tracy wrote:

Hi! My family and I are starting a campaign to educate drivers on Crystal Lake Drive about the speed limit of 25mph. The speeding on this road is very unsafe - I wonder if many drivers think its a 35 mph zone. 

It is a well-loved route for walkers/joggers/bikers/parents with babies/kids etc. More drivers seem to be using this road to get to the park and avoid the new speed limit restrictions on Hwy 99.  

If you have feelings about this and would like to support our campaign, please stop at the new kid's Farm/Craft stand at 2610 Crystal Lake Drive (the Park end of the street) and sign the petition. We hope to present it to the Benton Co. Sheriff's office, or ODT or whoever will care to see if we can get their help and raise awareness of the safety concern on this street.  

We are also going to be adding signs to the street, if you want to add one to your driveway that would be great and we could help out with that. 

We just really want to keep everyone safe and able to enjoy this street.  We aren't anti-car, it's just a request for respect of speed limit in our neighborhood. 

Your advice and support is welcome.  

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[Dave Hockman-Wert]

Hi bike safety/sustainable transportation folks,

I rode from Avery Park to the Block 15 Tap Room this afternoon, and found the bike lane on SE 3rd Street blocked off in a number of places due to construction on the sidewalks and roadway. 

That's to be expected from time to time.  What I found strange was that I didn't see any "Bikes on Roadway" signs like I remember seeing in the past.  Instead, there were signs that said "Abrupt Edge Ahead" or something like that.  Given that the entire bike lane and sidewalk was then blocked off by traffic cones and construction, forcing bikes to take the main auto lanes, it seemed odd to me that no warning was being given to cars to expect bikers in "their" lanes.

Does anyone know if this is the "new normal" for signage, or if it's an oversight, or what?  It doesn't seem like a very safe way to do things.  Also, if I just missed some existing "Bikes in Roadway" signs, please let me know.  It's possible, but since I experienced the same issue going south *and* north, and only noticed the "Abrupt Edge" signs, I thought it was worth asking.

Thanks,

Dave Hockman-Wert

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Hi, everyone—

 

As far as I know, the City of Corvallis still has the policy of putting “Bikes on Roadway” signs out during construction projects. I see them around town often. But the South Third Street project is an ODOT project, and I don’t know if ODOT has such a policy. The City of Corvallis Public Works Transportation Department might be able to intervene with ODOT to get signs up. We can leave messages on their website. I’ll do that right now!

 

Stay safe out there!

Susan Christie

 

From: 'Dave Hockman-Wert' via Transportation Action Team | Corvallis Sustainability Coalition <sustainable-

 

I agree that it's annoying/ironic/counter-productive for those signs to be taking up the bike lane (and Jay T wrote to me saying they're not supposed to put them there), but all in all I'd rather have them be there -- and very visible for car drivers (and bikers) so as to prepare for the upcoming full closure -- than not.  I fear a stencil on the ground wouldn't be noticed and therefore not of much use.

 

Dave

 

On Saturday, July 10, 2021, 6:40:08 AM PDT, David Rabinowitz <da...@freeshell.org> wrote:

 

Hi,

I often find that these "Bikes on Roadway" signs are placed in the middle of the
bike lane, forcing bikes into the street even before construction starts.  Perhaps a
temporary stencil on the road would be a safer warning.  If someone could make one
it could be used in a test.

Dave

[Annette Mills]

Dave, thank you for contacting us.

 

I’d like to loop in James Feldmann, who works for ODOT and whose work focuses on South Corvallis.

 

James, please respond to Dave’s concerns, and let us know what is planned for this and future bike lane closures.

 

Thanks,

 

Annette

 

Annette Mills, Facilitator/Director

Corvallis Sustainability Coalition

www.sustainablecorvallis.org

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[Dave Hockman-Wert]

I agree that it's annoying/ironic/counter-productive for those signs to be taking up the bike lane (and Jay T wrote to me saying they're not supposed to put them there), but all in all I'd rather have them be there -- and very visible for car drivers (and bikers) so as to prepare for the upcoming full closure -- than not.  I fear a stencil on the ground wouldn't be noticed and therefore not of much use.

Dave

On Saturday, July 10, 2021, 6:40:08 AM PDT, David Rabinowitz <da...@freeshell.org> wrote:

Hi,

I often find that these "Bikes on Roadway" signs are placed in the middle of the
bike lane, forcing bikes into the street even before construction starts.  Perhaps a
temporary stencil on the road would be a safer warning.  If someone could make one
it could be used in a test.

Dave

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[David Rabinowitz]

Hi,

[Wendy Byrne]

While the City and perhaps even the state/ODOT might have a policy about what signs to use and where to place the signs, each project is farmed out to a contractor and each contracting construction company is then the party responsible for following the rules. This lack of consistency in who is doing the work is one of the main reasons that the rules are followed so haphazardly, if at all. The main person in charge of safety training for each construction company might know the rules but on any given day the employee that puts out the sign might know... what? And then there is "who?" to come check that the codes are being followed??? If you notice a problem, the VERY BEST thing to do is to act on it yourself by either moving the sign to the correct place or by calling someone in charge and reporting your concerns to them. Good luck figuring out what number to call. I usually call City of Corvallis Public Works (IF the project is within City Limits)....... even if the work is NOT being done by our Public Works folks, they will know who is doing the work. 

If we do not report the problems, no one can track them or make efforts to fix them.

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[Andy Gray]

I'm pretty sure there is/was a bikes on roadway sign at the north end of the construction (north of Avery Dr.) for people heading south.

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[Dave Hockman-Wert]

Thanks for the correction, Andy.  Since I turned south from Avery Dr, I would have missed that one.  I'm surprised that I also missed the one on the south end, which must have been placed south of SW McKenzie Ave (Willamette Graystone).  Glad that they are warning drivers well ahead of the closures.

Dave

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