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James Kelly

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May 21, 2023, 11:23:42 AM5/21/23
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Don't want to weary you. But. ""A war is always, always, the defeat of humanity. . . . There is no such thing as a just war. That does not exist."—Pope Francis: March 18, 2022 talk to an international congress of educators. Today's May 21 NYDAILY NEWS pp. 28-9 has a SUNDAY OPINION by Richard A. Clarke and Steve Andresen  entitled NUCLEAR WEAPONS USE & NEW YORK CITY. Alas, they don't offer any suggestions for Jersey City. But now even I know I am wearying you. Still:  Following Pope Francis, I want to be a CATHOLIC american, not an AMERICAN catholic. I want to make nation an adjective and CATHOLICISM the noun. Pax, jim

gerryd...@yahoo.com

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May 21, 2023, 3:08:15 PM5/21/23
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Moral ambiguity and the good, 
the bad and the ugly— all at war.

How do you make peace (and not commit suicide) with a dictator who kills the free press and who poisons and imprisons his political opponents?   

If I’m a Ukrainian democrat, why would I feel I have an obligation to what the US’s Baker promised Russia’s Gorbachev 33 years ago?
The US can’t give me self-determination; only I can do that, probably with US and foreign aid..
Peace, Gerry

jrbdo...@aol.com

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May 22, 2023, 6:48:09 AM5/22/23
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Gerry, 

There are several pieces to my response to your question of how do we make peace with a dictator. 

One is this paradox. A few days ago, CNN tried to stop Trump from saying that we should work to stop the war in Ukraine, not add to the killing. 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PaTv69cGLOs&feature=share

Two is that Putin has done evil things. Not on the scale that the U.S. has but still they are evil. There are reasonable reports that he watches Kaddafi's brutal murder and sodomizing transfixed in horror and believes that if 'Hillary' could reach Kaddafi, she could reach him.  

Three,  while we have not caused this war, we have provoked it.  

Ex-U.S. Ambassador to USSR: Ukraine Crisis Stems Directly from Post-Cold War
Push to Expand NATO



Four is that Noam Chomsky, Jeffrey Sachs, John Mearsheimer and others all explain that we can and must withdraw the heat of our provocations from this boiling pot. 

This is where I started on the recent event.
 

There are no saints in this saga but I believe in 'confessing' out sins before worrying about the other guy's. 


Recall that the neoconservative faction lied us into invading Iraq. Here's something on that  Ukraine Neocon — Jeffrey D. Sachs

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

And finally, today's 'Ukraine' is made up of three distinct populations, Russians in the East, ethnic Ukrainians in the center and Poles in the West. Shouldn't we be favoring self-determination for people?  The grandparents of these people had little say in the boundaries that were drawn for Ukraine about a hundred years ago. Does that map-drawing trump self-determination?

Best regards, 

Jim Doran 


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