My White friend, a conservative hard-working, responsible, reliable Christian Republican who supports President Trump, is married and has several adult children, and grandchildren. She has conscientious sons who work and support a family. She also has a daughter who is White and receives government support for five children – and who will not listen to her mother who disapproves (understatement).
When I was a social caseworker (age 22) for Southern NJ County Welfare Services agency I did interviews for the Aid to Dependent Children program in 1964. I traveled to interview both Black and White families. I found that the racist attitudes in my town – which were clear to me since early childhood -- were not accurate and did not at all fit my experiences and relationships with the Black women I was privileged to interview.
When I left to go to graduate school for my MSW, this decision was considered “pink-o” by a number of my contemporaries. For anyone too young to remember, that meant I was going toward Communism and socialism. From then until I moved from liberal Princeton, NJ to rural Florida, I was happy to not encounter these ideas and attitudes. My colleagues, friends and family promoted and still promote and fight for racial and gender equality.
Unfortunately, since 2016, racist attitudes are on the surface where I am in Florida. It is beyond anything I anticipated. I feel as if I’m in a very bad movie – which would be fine if it were only a movie and not reality.
As Arnie posted before, truth and reconciliation are required. I also think that to write and communicate on listservs to promote understanding, rather than contention and division, may require writing skills not all of us possess. Were we to have the luxury of an open-ended dialogue or discussion, I bet we’d reach more understanding, even if we had to agree to disagree on some issues.
I pray we are able to get past the partisan divisions which seem to be everywhere, not just in Congress and the White House. Hopefully in my lifetime.
I appreciate Carol’s clear and painful description. I wish she were wrong about the consequences. Whether they were intended or unintended racism, we now must do something about them. We can do this much better when we are united.
Stay healthy, safe, with as much peace as possible,
Judy
Judith Logue, Ph.D.
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Harry,
The IPA members who post to this site, are adults who do not all think alike, nor are they required to do so. If someone posts an opinion you do not like, it should not mean that they can no longer post on this site.
Your "untruth" about LBJ can be your opinion, while in truth, welfare and ADC (Aid to Dependent Children) checks were sent to primarily Black women only if she was not married. Social workers would visit the home each month, and if a man was found to be living there, the checks were withdrawn by the government. Ultimately, the more babies she had, out of wedlock, the more money she would be given by the government. Some feel that the government made whores out of Black women, as they were paid to have illegitimate babies, who ultimately grew up in a one parent home, which is not advocated in White society. The more babies, the more money. Bill Clinton, president in the 1990s, drastically reduced the baby production to only 5 babies per woman. Today we still have the government dollar at work, as primarily Black women will produce exactly 5, and only 5 children, to receive money to support her family, as she has no husband, and no income, and is not allowed to work, because she has children, and.........
The breakdown of Black family structure is a truth produced by government leaders, that reduces Black citizens nearly always to the poverty level, which is the preferred status assigned to Blacks in America. The Black living standard today, and yesterday, is the result of systematic, undemocratic and inhumane tactics to keep them controlled, and limited, so that Whites can succeed. Are Whites really successful if they must diminish others to get what they want?
Dr. Childress, please continue to post, as there are a variety of opinions, and don't turn away from the ones with which you don't agree, but stand up for the ones that are meaningful to you.
This post has not heard the last from me,
Carol Jaxson-Jager Ed D Ed Sp NCC LPC CST CCTP
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Yesterday, the Fourth of July, began for me with Beverly Stoute's inspiring personal story about listening to and/or reciting Frederik Douglas's Fourth of July speech challenging the patriotic celebration of a holiday without the acknowledgment of slavery. Douglas spells out what it means to be a slave in the United States, with the horror involved in being owned, existing as property and having no part of freedom. We analyst's have been educated by our members who can talk authentically about racism in their lives, Dorothy Holmes has been in the forefront of challenging us as an organization to be aware of just how white we are and to think of why that is, Beverly Stoute has made it personal, she has brought her feelings and passion to our attention with great impact, making even the enlightened among us to join her with a passionate response to racism, internal as well as external, Dionne Powell has contributed an incredible JAPA article on racism and Anton Hart has been central to our efforts as an organization to repair the past. So, there is much to appreciate in what our members can mobilize in those of us who have less reason to think about racism every day of our lives.
And then I read this quote from Barry Childress:
n the 60's LBJ's war on poverty fractured the married black families with mothers marrying the Government rather than the actual fathers of their children. Children's education suffered having performed well before LBJ, et.al. saved them. Father's disappeared from home, school lost much of its importance, and drugs and crime increased.
I was incredulous. How could any individual post, presented as fact, this version of what Lyndon Johnson actually achieved during his Presidency. A President who passed the civil rights act and the voting rights act within one year is presented as someone who destroyed the black family with the supposed nightmare that Ronald Reagan introduced into the political sphere. This is not just an interpretation, it is libel disguised as historical truth. Nothing is presented that would support such an assertion simply because there is no possibility of truth being involved here.
The author of this scandalous assertion then informs us that the responses to what he posts are so negative that he will stop writing to the members list as if to punish us for our rejection of his ideas. He becomes a martyr to what he sees as the politically correct among us and in so doing denies the validity of challenging such expressions of free speech because they appear to be racist. Of course, and to be cautious, I would add that I don't know what is in the author's mind or heart. For all I know he is a member of the NAACP but the words do count and they are perverse and corrupt, turning history upside down as they do.
What do we allow on our members list? Are we like Facebook and insist that free speech makes it imperative that we post everything that any member writes. It has already been decided that tone can be chastised by a committee if they see it as too harsh or damaging to another member. But what about content, is there no requirement for reality and truth. Can LBJ really be blamed for a decline in black life in the USA? This reminds me of the time in the early 2000's when it became clear that Charles Socarides was leading a discussion group on Homosexuality despite the fact that we as an organization had disavowed his pathologizing of homosexuality and homosexuals. We had gay members and candidates and yet he was continuing to teach his toxic ideas about homosexuality. A decision was made to attend his discussion group and report back to the Program Committee as to its content. Socarides died before the investigation could be completed but I would hope that if he were advocating prejudicial ideas about homosexuality that we would have asked him to stop teaching asap. But, are we going to allow untruths to be promulgated on our lists? This is not a matter of suppressing different political or psychoanalytic positions, it is merely a plea that attention be paid to racist, homophobic and patriarchal postings when they go over the top. We may not refuse any member the right to post but we can denounce untruths and harmful assertions in the strongest and direct terms.
Henry J. Friedman
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Learned something today and will get to that as I sign off.
Slavery was legal in both England and France when we established our country under the Declaration's clauses of all being created equal and endowed by our Creator with the rights to life. liberty and pursuit of happiness. These 13 states all had their own perspectives to protect. Slavery, for and against, was discussed from the times of our Continental Congress and compromise had to be found under these introductory clauses in our Declaration for there to be a Union of these 13 original states ––.
France played off and on with slavery until 1834 and England out lawed it in on the books in 1848 almost 30 years before our Civil War. Most of the current slaves in the world (about 45 million) are now largely in India with runners up in China, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Jules, as when you emailed me back channel yesterday, I agree that Lincoln was not an abolitionist but, rather, was focused on saving our Union while the Democratic secessionists were planning to secede to maintain their right to own slaves to protect their agricultural economy.
After the secessionists were beaten, Democrats established the KKK and the Jim Crow "separate but equal" Laws. They resisted Republican attempts to integrate the school until the 60'when the Feds stepped in (and school choice is still resisted).
In the 60's LBJ's war on poverty fractured the married black families with mothers marrying the Government rather than the actual fathers of their children. Children's education suffered having performed well before LBJ, et.al. saved them. Father's disappeared from home, school lost much of its importance, and drugs and crime increased.
Now Blacks were back on the Democrat welfare plantation where votes were harvested.
What I learned today from your post is that you don't love America-you discredit American patriotism and favor "humane international globalism" which I could never do.
This may be the basis for my disagreements with some posters here. I am not a proponent of Internationalism nor Socialism. Members of the IPA post here and some may not be citizens of America, "We are all Americans" may not be accurate. Doesn't matter but helps me understand the board better, and I suspect this will be my last political post here.
I wish everyone a happy 4th of July as I'm pretty sure there is one of those in every country.
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My latest poems.
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The two posts below are textbook examples of racism. While it is certainly true that AFDC payments to single parent households which increased the more children there were was an incentive for unwed mothers to have more children – this applied equally to non-black single mom families. As there are a lot more poor non-blacks than poor blacks in this country the largest amount of taxpayer money went to non-blacks. Did this policy not have the same destructive effect on family lives for people who aren’t black as is claimed in the posts below?
David
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Harry,
The IPA members who post to this site, are adults who do not all think alike, nor are they required to do so. If someone posts an opinion you do not like, it should not mean that they can no longer post on this site.
Your "untruth" about LBJ can be your opinion, while in truth, welfare and ADC (Aid to Dependent Children) checks were sent to primarily Black women only if she was not married. Social workers would visit the home each month, and if a man was found to be living there, the checks were withdrawn by the government. Ultimately, the more babies she had, out of wedlock, the more money she would be given by the government. Some feel that the government made whores out of Black women, as they were paid to have illegitimate babies, who ultimately grew up in a one parent home, which is not advocated in White society. The more babies, the more money. Bill Clinton, president in the 1990s, drastically reduced the baby production to only 5 babies per woman. Today we still have the government dollar at work, as primarily Black women will produce exactly 5, and only 5 children, to receive money to support her family, as she has no husband, and no income, and is not allowed to work, because she has children, and.........
The breakdown of Black family structure is a truth produced by government leaders, that reduces Black citizens nearly always to the poverty level, which is the preferred status assigned to Blacks in America. The Black living standard today, and yesterday, is the result of systematic, undemocratic and inhumane tactics to keep them controlled, and limited, so that Whites can succeed. Are Whites really successful if they must diminish others to get what they want?
Dr. Childress, please continue to post, as there are a variety of opinions, and don't turn away from the ones with which you don't agree, but stand up for the ones that are meaningful to you.
This post has not heard the last from me,
Carol Jaxson-Jager Ed D Ed Sp NCC LPC CST CCTP
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The issue that Alice is raising has to do with
taboos, power, and how language works in the context of social
interaction. Huge topics. When is language being used to
oppress and when is it being used to liberate? Taboos are
society's way of shutting down certain communications. Are
there situations in which taboos are liberating? For example,
is it good that it is no longer socially acceptable in the US to
call some people "niggers" or is that a bad thing ("political
correctness") that stifles other people's authentic expression
of what they really think and feel? Maybe it depends on whether
you are a Black person who no longer fears being insulted and
marginalized in this way or a White person who feels society is
curtailing his freedom of expression. When does labeling
something "racist" advance our consciousness and when is it a
way of shutting down communication? And under what conditions,
if any, is it GOOD to shut down certain communications? If you
want to see what happens when we dispense with all taboos, join
Alice's experiment. If you want to reflect on this issue using
the tools of anthropology, psychoanalysis and more, have THAT
discussion here. These are not mutually exclusive alternatives.
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Hi everybody,
Tonight on the French/German TV broadcast ARTE the documentary film (4 episodes) "les routes de l'esclavage" - the history of the slave trade since the 5th Century AD :
https://boutique.arte.tv/detail/les_routes_de_l_esclavage
https://www.programme-tv.net/programme/culture-infos/r1549435627-les-routes-de-lesclavage/
The DVDs are supposed to have en English translation. A book by Catherine-Vidrovitch (same title) is linked to the documentary. I think it is a "must" for anybody interested in this issue. There is still so much to be searched and written about slavery. Which is going on by the way, migrant workers forced in debt bondage in global corporations can be found at the present time anywhere in Asia, in the Gulf countries, etc... (in the electronics and building industry, agriculture, etc etc)..
Best
Brigitte
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Carol,
I think the upshot of what David said is that
public assistance policies are not deliberately intended to
destroy the Black family. Instead, I think it is a lot cheaper
to pay families cash stipends than it is to establish public
works programs at living wages. In fact, nothing would build up
families--of every race and ethnicity--more than having
productive jobs at living wages. The failure of the private
sector to generate such jobs for every person who needs them,
and the unwillingness of the rich to pay the taxes necessary for
a robust program of public works, leaves the poor vulnerable to
a litany of social pathologies including crime, substance abuse,
and gangs. These same pathologies afflict poor Whites but rich
Whites don't give a damn.
Eddie said that we shouldn't get deflected from the police brutality issue by talking about class, but I don't see how we can avoid the class issue because race and class are so closely inter-twined. Here is an example of what I mean. In the 1930s, when White America was experiencing 25% unemployment, we nearly had a revolution in this country and FDR's New Deal was the result. The rich fought FDR tooth and nail, but the Zeitgeist was so radical--including an international alternative to capitalism in the Soviet Union--that they lost control of the political process and public works became the order of the day. African Americans never benefited much from the New Deal because FDR, to get the South on board, allowed the state governments to administer the programs and the Southern state governments excluded Blacks. Another feature of the New Deal that excluded Blacks was the exclusion of agricultural and domestic workers from unemployment benefits, and agricultural and domestic workers where disproportionately Black. But it is worth noting that with 25% unemployment in White America, we very nearly had a revolution in this country.
Now compare that with the situation in Black
America, where unemployment among Black males has been around
50% for decades--twice the level that created revolutionary
conditions in the 1930s--and no comparable movement for
government-provided jobs ever occurred until the Bernie Sanders
movement. I think that anyone who cares about families and
delivering the poor from the social pathologies that afflict
poor neighborhoods needs to consider the importance of providing
productive livelihoods at living wages for everyone who needs
them. The main barrier to such policies is that the rich are
unwilling to pay the taxes needed to fund such policies, which
would actually benefit the entire society.
Brian
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Dear Alice and group,
I wanted to say something about the issue of dialoguing across “political divides”. It certainly seems like a good idea – why would anyone object? The problem, for me, is who I’m engaging with on the other side of the political divide. I don’t have any problem with understanding the anger and frustration of many Trump voters who feel they have been badly treated by the government’s economic policies, I am also able to see that many Trump voters have very different values and attitudes than I have, even some I consider abhorrent, and I would be more than willing to engage in dialogue with them. But, there are certain actions taken by others which cross a line, and consequently, preclude dialogue.
I, and I suspect a good many others, think it would be both morally unacceptable as well as tactically stupid to engage on any level, other than to punish, with individuals who have harmed others without cause and continue to justify such acts and indicate willingness to do more of the same.
To be specific, those Trump voters who engage in acts such as physically attacking others out of political motivation, who engage in public acts of racism, who commit hate crimes, and who threaten to kill or hurt those, and their family members, who express views with which they disagree.
I submit that any stance toward such unrepentant individuals, short of outright condemnation, can function to enable such behavior.
David Lotto
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Dear all,
Tomorrow may be the last day to register for the above referenced webinar; the flyer is attached. I will be giving a talk on May 15 entitled, "Globalization and Death Anxiety: A Psychohistorical Perspective;" my abstract appears below. I believe that my session and all the others will be posted on YouTube after the webinar, but to participate in the discussion periods, I think you will need to register no later than tomorrow.
Warm regards,
Brian
ABSTRACT: This paper summarizes empirical
findings from “Terror Management” research and applies them to
the era of globalization culminating in the COVID-19
Pandemic. Terror Management Theory (Solomon et al, 2015)
applies the methods of experimental psychology to investigate
the causes and effects of death anxiety. These studies
examine the function of belief systems and group
identifications in the management of death anxiety. This
paper examines these processes in the historical context of
globalization and the COVID-19 Pandemic, and concludes with a
brief overview of clinical and social implications.
Reference: Solomon, S., Greenberg, J. and Pyszczynski, T.
(2015). The Worm at the Core: On the Role of Death in Life. New
York: Random House.
That's great !
I hope it is possible to see it all on Youtube sometime !
Best
Brigitte
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