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The teacher signs off that the work was done by the student as they were able to observe the progress from start to finish.

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So this is a supervisory and rubber-stamping process rather than a technical one? If so presumably the DP or teacher designated by Principal could fulfil this role in the school?

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Aoife Jones

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It feels like this conversation must have already happened for all well-established subjects with a coursework component - Art, etc? I'm guessing the same rule will apply - whatever that rule is?

But even with the school closures this year, there was still no allowance for students to work on their coursework projects outside of the classroom. The date was just pushed back to give them time to complete it when they returned to school.

As a pilot CS school teacher, I was approached by several students outside my school, but I didn't feel like it was allowed for me to teach / supervise / sign off on their projects.

I'm interested to see where this conversation goes!

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Paul de Lacy

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Hi all,

After the court case(s) of late around the production of predictive grades for home schooled pupils and the constitutional protection of parents' rights to home school perhaps the onus is on the Department to find a way (obviously with the support of CESI...).

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Jennifer Stack

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Hi all,

Can I ask, if students study the CS course outside of their own secondary school(as you have stated, and I have witnessed: a large number of schools are not yet in the position to offer the two-year course at their school, and a large number of students are searching for alternative ways to study this course) my query: who signs off on their practical work, if they study the subject outside of a secondary school? I was approached by a number of students at my own school to tutor them thru the two-year course so they could then sit the exam for this subject at leaving cert 2022, the only hurdle is: How can we/any tutor sign off on the practical which is approx. 30%? I am assuming a teacher can only sign off on the practical element if they and their school are part of the PDST Computer Science Phase program, for example all schools who are teaching students LC CS have participated in this 2 year program, which is now starting phase 3.

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I should add, a teacher can not participate in the PDST Computer Science CPD, (my understanding is: teacher participation in the PDST Computer Science CPD and school participation, then entitled the teacher to sign off on the practical part) a computer Science teacher can only participate in this CPD if the school is, now if teachers can participate in the PDST CS CPD even if their school is not, and the teacher has students who want to study outside of the school.. evening weekends whatever suits, this will allow them to sign off.

I think the dept may not want to encourage outside of secondary school groups/organizations to be in a position to take this role from a secondary school, I can understand that, but I feel until we can ensure that all students attending secondary school have the option to study CS at their secondary school, there should be an alternative for these students... it’s a bit unfair, like most of you I have come across students who are capable of and enthusiastic about studying CS and taking the subject at leaving cert. I think it goes back to; schools are waiting for “qualified” and registered with the teaching council teachers to do this course, or they are relying on teachers of other subjects and disciplines to up skill and teach the course. Yet there are so many CS professionals who are well able to deliver this course, and should be considered as an option, it’s funny how the department is encouraging teachers who might want to teach CS to participate in a program that will place these teachers in a IT dept or job so they have exposure to this industry and then a better understanding of how CS skills are used on a daily basis.. in a work/job setting. Why not go one step further and have IT professionals go to schools and teach the course?

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As a parent of a 3rd year who desperately wants to do Computer Science for his leaving cert but his school doesn’t offer it, I would *love* to see something happen on this front.

I also teach coding to kids (Swift, LOGO, BASIC, Python, JavaScript, you name it, anything to introduce the general tool of programming to them) and would be more than happy to help out in some way where the kids could get the necessary credit for the work they would put in. So if there’s a hat, I am happily putting my name in it, if anyone wants to trial any approach at all.

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I should add, a teacher can not participate in the PDST Computer Science CPD, (my understanding is: teacher participation in the PDST Computer Science CPD and school participation, then entitled the teacher to sign off on the practical part) a computer Science teacher can only participate in this CPD if the school is, now if teachers can participate in the PDST CS CPD even if their school is not, and the teacher has students who want to study outside of the school.. evening weekends whatever suits, this will allow them to sign off.
I think the dept may not want to encourage outside of secondary school groups/organizations to be in a position to take this role from a secondary school, I can understand that, but I feel until we can ensure that all students attending secondary school have the option to study CS at their secondary school, there should be an alternative for these students... it’s a bit unfair, like most of you I have come across students who are capable of and enthusiastic about studying CS and taking the subject at leaving cert. I think it goes back to; schools are waiting for “qualified” and registered with the teaching council teachers to do this course, or they are relying on teachers of other subjects and disciplines to up skill and teach the course. Yet there are so many CS professionals who are well able to deliver this course, and should be considered as an option, it’s funny how the department is encouraging teachers who might want to teach CS to participate in a program that will place these teachers in a IT dept or job so they have exposure to this industry and then a better understanding of how CS skills are used on a daily basis.. in a work/job setting. Why not go one step further and have IT professionals go to schools and teach the course?
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Can I ask, if students study the CS course outside of their own secondary school(as you have stated, and I have witnessed: a large number of schools are not yet in the position to offer the two-year course at their school, and a large number of students are searching for alternative ways to study this course) my query: who signs off on their practical work, if they study the subject outside of a secondary school? I was approached by a number of students at my own school to tutor them thru the two-year course so they could then sit the exam for this subject at leaving cert 2022, the only hurdle is: How can we/any tutor sign off on the practical which is approx. 30%? I am assuming a teacher can only sign off on the practical element if they and their school are part of the PDST Computer Science Phase program, for example all schools who are teaching students LC CS have participated in this 2 year program, which is now starting phase 3.

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Laurence Cuffe

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I would think that there is now enough case law on students having rights even when studying independently to make a case to the department that this has to be supported. A second issue might be whether someone signing off on this, as a teacher, would be qualified to teach the subject. That is, I think have the equivalent of an undergraduate degree in CS.

I too have been involved with coding with kids, in my local coder dojo, we have covered everything from node.js running under IBM blue mix, through white hat hacking, computer part through the processing platform and 3d design. While we have been teaching them, and before COVID intervened, kids have been learning a lot, I don’t know how many of the mentors would be fully qualified in the teaching sense to deliver it.

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A. Ryan

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I'm also getting an increasing number of enquiries , we only do JC short course in coding for the moment . I think it's going to become a larger issue as so many juniors at Primary School level are doing coding camps etc. (my own kids included!) I also had a few TY students who took it up themselves for the year as a personal development challenge and did quite well.

From my understanding anyone in 6th year can sit any paper they like in June.. however I think there is a project part during the year which has to be signed off by a teacher (similar to geography ). Maybe a LCCS teacher can confirm here.

So going back to the original query... could a teacher anywhere sign off on a project for a student in another school, then submit it to the school's exams officer?

I suspect the department are not 100% happy with "off-timetable subjects" as I've heard of a push on other subjects like Applied Maths or Ag-science not to be done at lunch or after school. Probably for oversight reasons, or future intentions to incorporate more project work for the new 'Leaving Cycle', similarly they were very strict at capping the max subjects at JC to 10.

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I replied in another thread but I'll give my 2 cent.

Similar to accredited grades this year I suspect a teacher signing off on a project just has to be a registered teacher... and not necessarily a registered teacher in that subject... Just a teaching council number should suffice. The reason I say this is because so many schools in Ireland have registered teachers teaching subjects which they are not registered with (needs of the school etc.) so precedent is there for every other subject.

The second issue then with regard to signing off... Does it have to be a teacher in that school? As Mr. Ashe suggested above I think it's just a rubber stamp, the department aren't going to cross reference every teacher who signs off to see if they teach in that school, many teachers come and go between overseeing projects and maybe get jobs elsewhere/maternity leave after the project is signed off. Similarly, they would have to allow for students moving between schools with different/no teachers.

TL;dr I think if the principal is ok with it and they are satisfied that a student has been undertaking guidance for 2 years with s registered teacher then fire away.

The department will obviously want to do everything by the book as it's going to be a slow methodical phase in, and rightly so. But I don't see how they can refuse a student.

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Greg Ashe

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This is a worthy discussion.

Given that current TY are making decisions about subjects for LC now - is it safe enough to assume that by the time project comes to happen in early 2023 that this will all be resolved and therefore students could be given an assurance that "it will be alright" at this point in time?

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Like some others below, I would hope that this issue could be addressed within schools by LCCS-qualified teachers, and not by external organisations teaching a curricular subject to students inside or outside school (although those organisations can offer great summer and additional CS courses to students).

It is great that so many students are interested in the subject - maybe those students who don't have access to it could lobby the Department and their local schools to provide it, through the Irish Secondary Students Union - a very effective organisation.

Applied Maths is a subject where there are some long-established solutions that work well for students in schools that do not offer the subject as a usual LC subject choice. Some schools form clusters where they 'send' their AM students to one school in the cluster where there is a qualified AM teacher. Other schools offer AM classes for an hour before and after the normal student timetable, but taught by a qualified AM teacher inside their usual 22-hour teaching timetable. Both of those solutions seem to work well, but definitely need good support and coordination from teachers and school management. The Irish Applied Maths Teachers Association (IAMTA) or PDST Applied Maths would likely be able to offer advice to CESI on this,

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Brian,
I think this is a brilliant and timely development but my response will divert slightly from the theme of this tread. I am currently dealing with LC students who did Russian, Czech and Croatian at home but are going through the accredited grading system! Basically they studied these subjects at home with their parents, perhaps without any proper guidance or teaching, so I think there are great opportunities here for the future. I think putting class material/resources online will be an automatic feature of teaching from now on. Certainly, I would welcome more resources/supports for this. We are a 1-1 device secondary school and I had a conversation with the TY coordinator this week about incorporating an elearning element into the programme. I am, in fact, looking for suitable elarnaing courses, of 8 week duration, which would be predominately self-directed but could be done in a blended learning environment, if anyone has any suggestions? We ran such a course during lockdown (which became blended when students returned to the school) with mixed results. The students found the course boring and the material was too text heavy which was challenging for some. We will probably have a 'Portfolio Class' again next year where students will work on reflective/planning exercises but there is scope for to run one/more online courses as well. The teacher needs to be able to monitor students progress and give guidance on the material where necessary etc. Obviously it needs to be appropriate for 15/16 year olds. I essentially want to inform/train student into doing such courses so well done IT Sligo!

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Just to respond to Cillian, Just like Applied Maths, I was often in the same boat looking for centres for my extern music groups and the department eventually found a place every year (after much stress).

The quandary with LCCS however, isn't so much the sitting of the written exam as students can take any paper they wish in their own school (if the school/exams aide is willing to accommodate the extra day), the issue lies within the project component.

LCCS-qualified teachers would be the ideal situation for a timetabled subject, but as we know the teacher supply is very limited as it's still in pilot phase, but the demand well outstrips supply. There's no doubt demand is going up and up too. In terms of desirable qualifications, this is an old chestnut which harked back to qualified maths teacher shortages, in the end it's still the case that there are unqualified teachers teaching the subject, so I would argue precedent is there. 'Needs of the school' will always allow unqualified teachers to teach other subjects, not saying that's an ideal situation, but that's what has to happen in Irish-timetable-land.

So it's back to the project quandry. Can any teacher sign off on it?

I reckon it would take just one case then that's that. Maybe it's happened already !

If the school is ok with it and the teacher is a registered teacher either inside or outside the school, then I would see no problem.

The department seems to be pushing for in-class teaching for every subject. Hence why I suspect I've heard of pressure being applied to timetable Applied Maths (is there a proposed change to the AM syllabus where projects are being introduced?). I suspect if you enquire from the top at NCCA/Pilot level they will tow that party line, as is their wont.

The vacuum is getting greater and greater though with many students being turned away towards other subjects and careers, that needs to be remedied ASAP, but it'll probably happen from the ground up.

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My understanding is that the teacher has to verify that the student has produced this work themselves. If you don't know "the work" how can you as a professional stand over it to say that the student has done this work themselves.

On another note...With a new call and the closing date in March for schools to offer LCCS. How many school are now offering LCCS in September 2021. As of January this year I think there was over 100 schools offering LCCS that's I think about 15% of 2nd level schools in Ireland offering LCCS not including coding at JC.

I have asked before but I would love to see the numbers per region or county a heat map if you like of schools offering LCCS.

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I think if the student wasn't up to speed to do the project then it will show through in the exam also.

But I agree, the teacher signing off should have oversight on the student and project as they progress through the course.

But does that mean that the teacher must be teaching in the same school as the pupil. I don't think it does (just my opinion btw).

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So do we have a consensus on the next steps for the student?

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Hi John - I don't think there is consensus. I think it revolves around two questions:

Can any teacher sign off on a project or do they require to be qualified/certified for LCCS?

Can a teacher sign off on a student not in their own school?

I have made enquiries with someone who was involved in drawing up the curriculum and setting up the pilot who said he would come back to me next week on this. Has anyone else found a definitive answer to these question? No doubt there is documentation somewhere.

Brian

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I did some investigations on the regulations around leaving cert computer science - this is what I found out. Second hand but I think it is reliable.

Students need to complete a 20 hour project under supervision.
This has to be done by a teacher that is in an approved school.
The student must register for the exam in that school.

The only way I can see that we can facilitate students who are not in a school that delivers Computer Science is as follows:

The student has access to an online course to cover the theory (this could be teacher supervised or self study - preferably the former)
A "approved" school runs a 3-day "residential studio (or even better 3 or 4 separate days with a number of weeks between each session) supervised by a registered teacher

As it happens we have some HCI funding to work with secondary schools in setting up MakerSpaces and developing online courses for these spaces (with the intention of encouraging more young people into STEM). We might be able to include CS in this project if we were working with a school that was registered (and a teacher that was interested).

I'd be interested to know if you think this idea might be viable. If you are interested for yourself or your school you might contact me.

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Where are you getting the information the school has to be approved? According to the NCCA as of September 2020 any school can offer it.

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My understanding is any school can run it but you have to apply to have a teacher participate in the up skilling sessions.

I could be wrong.

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Hi Con and Shane. Thanks for that information

I asked someone I know to make some enquiries which he did by phone - so I'm wondering if the message has got garbled along the line.

Does anyone know if there is documentation somewhere?

I have done a search now but this is the best I can find: https://www.education.ie/en/Schools-Colleges/Information/Curriculum-and-Syllabus/Senior-Cycle-/leaving-certificate-computer-science-faq-s.pdf

It sounds like any school can teach it but the teacher must have taken a computing module as part of a degree course and must commit to upskillsing (as Shane has suggested). It also specifies the equipment that is required.

I suppose the question is, can a school that meets the criteria go ahead and teach it or does it have to apply to be approved to do so. From Shane's email it seems that all that is required is that the teacher apply for the upskilling programme. Anyone know how that is done?

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Another consideration - must the "teacher" be Teaching Council registered?

Or can a suitably qualified person who works in a school and who does the requisite upskilling teach and sign off on project work?

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