Open resource to replace They Say / I Say?

Amy Hofer

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Mar 5, 2019, 9:39:09 PM3/5/19

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Hi all, this message is cross-posted.

I just got an FAQ and I'm wondering how others answer this one:

"I'm also having a hard time letting go of Gerald Graff's They Say / I Say -- students seem to find that so useful for understanding writing as a conversation, and for the nuts and bolts approach to how to accomplish that in their work. So I'm hoping I might track down something that could help with that, as well."

Has anyone found a good open alternative?

Thanks in advance,

Amy

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Amy Hofer

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Mar 5, 2019, 11:13:51 PM3/5/19

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Thank you Sally, I'll pass that along! Amy

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 6:53 PM Sally Wilson <swi...@ryerson.ca> wrote:

Hi Amy,

Two of our faculty members have just published Write Here, Right Now, a textbook dealing with academic writing for undergraduate students in the Arts and Social Sciences. It may be worth a look: https://pressbooks.library.ryerson.ca/writehere/

Sally

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Scott Lipkowitz

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Mar 6, 2019, 12:04:43 PM3/6/19

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Hi Amy,

A professor here at Hunter College recently sent us the following links, which he has been using as replacements for They Say/I Say. They might be helpful.

Replacements for They Say/I Say style templates

Academic Phrasebank http://www.phrasebank.manchester.ac.uk/

CARS model of introductions handout http://www.cs.tut.fi/kurssit/SGN-16006/academic_writing/cars_model_handout.pdf

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Scott Lipkowitz

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Amy Hofer

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Mar 6, 2019, 5:07:42 PM3/6/19

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Thank you Scott!

Amy Hofer

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Mar 6, 2019, 5:25:24 PM3/6/19

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Hi Michael,

They Say/I Say is under copyright. The instructor would like to replace it with an openly licensed alternative.

FYI,

Amy

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 2:19 PM Michael Kahn <mkah...@gmail.com> wrote:

I am not sure if I fully understand this conversation?
Was The Say/I Say originally OER and not that has changed?
Thanks,
Michael Kahn
Learning Commons Librarian
The College of New Rochelle, Brooklyn campus

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Horvath, Stephen

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Mar 7, 2019, 3:49:43 PM3/7/19

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An OpenSUNY textbook that I’ve woven into my first-year composition classes is Writing in College: From Competence to Excellence by Amy Guptill: https://textbooks.opensuny.org/writing-in-college-from-competence-to-excellence/

“Chapter 5: Listening to Sources, Talking to Sources” directly recognizes Graff and Birkenstein’s approach through a chapter-length overview: https://milnepublishing.geneseo.edu/writing-in-college-from-competence-to-excellence/chapter/listening-to-sources-talking-to-sources/

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Stephen Horvath
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Amy Hofer

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Mar 7, 2019, 4:14:55 PM3/7/19

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Thank you Stephen!

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Melanie Jeffrey

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Mar 7, 2019, 7:58:14 PM3/7/19

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Thanks! This is good to know.

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Amy Hofer

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Mar 12, 2019, 12:39:11 PM3/12/19

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Hi all, thank you for the excellent suggestions! The faculty member is going to look through the resources you all have shared. I won't pretend to have read them all, but in particular the Academic Phrasebank seems really useful in finding open/free alternatives to They Say/I Say (it is free but under copyright).

Here's the roundup of responses:

Write Here, Right Now: https://pressbooks.library.ryerson.ca/writehere/
Guide to Writing: https://courses.lumenlearning.com/styleguide/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fcatalogs.lumenlearning.com%2Fcatalogs%2F1
English Comp I: https://courses.lumenlearning.com/engcomp1-wmopen/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fcatalogs.lumenlearning.com%2Fcatalogs%2F1
English Comp II: https://courses.lumenlearning.com/englishcomp2kscopexmaster/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fcatalogs.lumenlearning.com%2Fcatalogs%2F1
Writing in College: https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/writing-in-college-from-competence-to-excellence
About Writing: https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/about-writing-a-guide
Writing Spaces: http://writingspaces.org/

Academic Phrasebank: http://www.phrasebank.manchester.ac.uk/
CARS model of introductions handout: http://www.cs.tut.fi/kurssit/SGN-16006/academic_writing/cars_model_handout.pdf

Writing in College: From Competence to Excellence by Amy Guptill: https://textbooks.opensuny.org/writing-in-college-from-competence-to-excellence/ (in particular “Chapter 5: Listening to Sources, Talking to Sources”: https://milnepublishing.geneseo.edu/writing-in-college-from-competence-to-excellence/chapter/listening-to-sources-talking-to-sources/)
English 100 (Freshman Composition) reader: https://wisc.pb.unizin.org/uwenglish100omnibus/

Thanks again, everyone!

Amy

Amy Hofer

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Mar 12, 2019, 3:58:03 PM3/12/19

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Thank you!

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 12:29 PM Steel Wagstaff <st...@pressbooks.com> wrote:

Amy,

Thanks so much for this great list! Naomi Salmon just wrote to tell me that she's also prepared a non-branded version of the English 100 reader without student essays to make adoption/adaptation in non-UW contexts a bit easier. That version of the text can be found here: https://wisc.pb.unizin.org/opencomp/.

All best,
Steel

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