On Krishna getting his army killed

[Raunak Dhar]

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMi1jb3B5_67bb27f9-8d2f-40e1-9307-be6ce2d3c25d

Any comments on this? 

[sandeep k]

Namaste Raunak, 

The Grok argument conveniently considers Krishna as Bhagawan in one case vs other so it is not a rational conclusion. This is a classic case of how Artificial intelligence fails in reality.

Details:

Answering First question Grok describes how Krishna is God and has a divine plan. Looks good. 

Grok after the second question has illogical arguments. It assumes that Krishna is the Lord and knows that Duryodhana is going to lose but (midlessly) assumes Krishna as ordinary man when he offers to Duryodhana and Krishna.

When asked to analyse as an ordinary man or a normal King, Grok analyzes and says he "Krishna's action looks like cold political calculation at the direct expense of his own people." and "He sends them to be slaughtered while he stays protected on the winning team.". Think, if he is an ordinary King, he does not know the end outcome of the war and has offered his services (supposedly) equally (by dividing the army and himself and offering them. Mind that he also promised he would not fight even if they got him on their side) to Duryodhana and Arjuna. Even by normal man speculation, Duryodhana was stronger and in power so Narayanee sena would be expected to win so betrayal is out of question.

For the question that he did not consult his army for making that decision, as a King he can decide whatever he seems fit. All the kings participated in the war except the Udipi King who offered catering services. Krishna's army would not be left out like that, he gave them clear direction. Imagine as he is offering himself, there is a risk of him getting killed also, in that case the army will be directionless. So he did his will very apt to the situation as a common man.

The reason for his offer was that unarmed Krishna (though he was the King), was on one side and he wouldn't fight. While very capable Narayanee sena would fight loyally on the other side.

Grok also assumes he fought his own army but no, he did not. He just advised Pandavas.

Dhanyawad.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2026 at 11:20 PM Raunak Dhar <mynameisr...@gmail.com> wrote:

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMi1jb3B5_67bb27f9-8d2f-40e1-9307-be6ce2d3c25d

Any comments on this? 

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[Kalyan Chakravarthy]

On this topic, the following verses from the भगवद्गीता are relevant -

श्री भगवानुवाच

कालोऽस्मि लोकक्षयकृत्प्रवृद्धो
लोकान्समाहर्तुमिह प्रवृत्तः।
ऋतेऽपि त्वां न भविष्यन्ति सर्वे
येऽवस्थिताः प्रत्यनीकेषु योधाः।।11.32।।

The Lord said - I am the world-destroying Time. Manifesting Myself fully, I have begun to destroy the worlds here. Even without You, none of the warriors arrayed in the hostile armies shall survive.

Earlier, Arjuna says on seeing the विश्वरूप - 

अमी च त्वां धृतराष्ट्रस्य पुत्राः

सर्वे सहैवावनिपालसङ्घैः।
भीष्मो द्रोणः सूतपुत्रस्तथाऽसौ
सहास्मदीयैरपि योधमुख्यैः।।11.26।।

वक्त्राणि ते त्वरमाणा विशन्ति

दंष्ट्राकरालानि भयानकानि।

केचिद्विलग्ना दशनान्तरेषु

संदृश्यन्ते चूर्णितैरुत्तमाङ्गैः।।11.27।।

All these sons of Dhrtarastra together with the hosts of monarchs, Bhisma, Drona and Karna along with the **leading warriors of our side**,....Hasten to enter Your fearful mouths with terrible fangs. Some, caught between the teeth are seen with their heads crushed to powder.

As Time, BhagavAn brings about the destruction of the warriors on both sides. 

श्रीकृष्णार्पणम्

[Raunak Dhar]

By the logic of "I am a destroyer", everything becomes legitimized then. 

The question, however, is getting one's own clan warriors killed en masse. This truly is betrayal. This truly is abusing their loyalty. This truly is callousness on the level of a Joseph Stalin or a Ghinghis Khan. And even with all the mental gymnastics, it is still a failure to not only protect one's people, but to actively contribute to their mass butchery.

Would it be okay if Modi gets all of Indian Army destroyed and say "this is for upholding Dharma" and "btw I am a destroyer, so all is well"?

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[Kalyan Chakravarthy]

When I actually look at the chat with Grok, I see these statements made -

>"Leave aside how later commentators and Puranas rationalize it. Just look at Mahabharata and judge this action of Krishna as if he were an ordinary man."

The above statement seems to suggest that the Mahabharata somehow treats Krishna as an ordinary human. 

But this is not correct. There are several places in the Mahabharata, from almost all the parvas, right from the beginning to the end, where Krishna's Divine status is repeatedly mentioned and reiterated. This is neither a later commentary nor a later rationalization. 

Therefore, before proceeding with further discussion, there needs to be agreement on what pramANa-s are accepted. Then we can look at what those pramANa-s state. If Mahabharata is accepted as a pramANa, then Krishna cannot be treated as an ordinary human. If there is concern about interpolations, then such aspects too can be discussed. 

श्रीकृष्णार्पणम्

[Raunak Dhar]

Hello Mr Chakravarthy.

When I write to Grok to treat Krishna as ordinary human and judge him based on what is in Mahabharata, I am not implying that Mahabharata calls Krishna an ordinary human. 

I am merely asking to not give any special exceptions which people of all religions give to their religious authorities. I am simply asking to judge the character of Krishna ordinarily i-e objectively, so we don't accept such things as okay which we would not accept from anyone else who doesn't have cultural authority. 

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[Kalyan Chakravarthy]

In this case, the reply given by Sandeep ji is already very good and addresses the points well.

श्रीकृष्णार्पणम्